Derrick Rose (likely) to NY for Smith Jr and Draft Pick(s)

Submitted by uncle leo on February 7th, 2021 at 2:08 PM

Trade is not final yet, but looks like Derrick Rose is being shipped to NY for Dennis Smith Jr and draft compensation (probably a 2nd rounder).

I really like the direction Weaver is taking this franchise. Bottoming out and getting young guys opportunities. I think Smith can still potentially be a star in this league; very young guy. 

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teldar

February 7th, 2021 at 3:40 PM ^

You mean you come here for the stated purpose of the web site and follow the rules of the website and would like other people to follow those rules as well? That's just crazy, man.

(I had no idea what he was talking about either as I really don't care about the nba or the Pistons, and I think he's being petulant and supported by others who want to complain about you wanting a clear title of what he's talking about)

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Mr Miggle

February 7th, 2021 at 3:46 PM ^

Not offended, just annoyed by your complaints. That type of crap makes the board much more unpleasant than any failure to adhere exactly to OP labels.

What exactly was your point? This OP was obviously about pro sports. Did you also bitch about the Calvin Johnson HOF and the Super Bowl posts? 

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nerv

February 7th, 2021 at 2:29 PM ^

Good move. Productive veterans are just about the last thing the Pistons need right now. Smith looked good in Dallas before getting traded to NY.

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Rico

February 7th, 2021 at 2:38 PM ^

He has never been good. His rookie season was ok but he has only regressed since then (thanks to injuries and really poor work ethic). Still young though and a change of scenery should help him, he was floundering in NY. Was hoping to get a late first for Rose but not sure there was ever going to be enough interest for that.

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jethro34

February 8th, 2021 at 8:27 AM ^

I agree with those who dislike the return in this trade. Everyone knew Rose would be dealt, but that doesn't mean you take back garbage in return. 2nd round picks rarely amount to much in the NBA and Smith has regressed so much that he was on his way to the G League because he couldn't get minutes for the Knicks. Yep, the Knicks. The new Lions front office would have gotten a much better return for Rose.

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bacon1431

February 7th, 2021 at 2:32 PM ^

Smith needed a reset. If he does well, you potentially have a young asset. If not, he’s a RFA this summer I believe so could just be money off the books. 
 

2nd rounder probably somewhere in the 40s. Could be worse. 

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Michfan777

February 7th, 2021 at 2:39 PM ^

Rose: Would have loved to get Rose to one of the LA teams or to Brooklyn for his sake.

Detroit: This move continues to tear down and gets picks. Smith is horrible, but this trade isnt about him anyway. Let him walk at season’s end and enjoy the picks. This leaves Griffin as the last piece to move, which prob won’t be done until the last year of his contract at the deadline.

NY: What the hell are they doing? They are a couple of years out from making noise still. Why bring Rose in? I swear the Knicks could give the Washington Football Team a run for their money of being incompetent.

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bronxblue

February 7th, 2021 at 2:48 PM ^

Knicks are currently 7th in the East and guys like Payton, Quickley, and Rivers aren't cutting it at PG.  Rose gives you a floor that is higher than any of those guys and has played for Thibs before and knows what he's getting into.  It doesn't really cost the Knicks anything and it seems like Rose gets his role on a young team.  It's not a trade that's going to turn either team around but it's a low-cost trade that puts players in better situations than they were in before.

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Michfan777

February 7th, 2021 at 3:13 PM ^

@bronx I agree with everything here about this improving the Knicks, which is also why the Knicks are dumb for sacrificing draft capital (even low value picks) for Rose.

7th in the East and unlikely to make it out of the first round even if they do make the playoffs. That puts them in line to be murdered by the Nets/76ers/Celtics most likely.

Its like the Knicks are trying to be in basketball purgatory with moves like this. Seriously nothing worse in the NBA than being too good to miss out on the high lottery picks and too bad to do anything in the playoffs. It’s the dead zone that kills teams.

The Knicks need to bottom out for at least 1 more season. Barrett/Topin/Randle/Top pick would be a great core to build around with decent veterans. In addition, that would put them in position to actually do something in the playoffs  

Anyway, I’m happy for the Pistons. Solid trade. Maybe a slight chance they could have gotten more for Rose but who knows.

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bronxblue

February 7th, 2021 at 3:29 PM ^

I agree that it's a move unlikely to get them much farther up the ladder in the East (though they're only a game and a half behind Indiana for 5th), but the Knicks also have one of the youngest rosters in the league (25 years old), and there's value in a young team being able to make a run at the playoffs to get some experience if it doesn't come at a huge cost.  Like, I'm not sold a core of Barrett, Randle, Quickley, Robinson, etc. gets you that far, but NY is also one of those few teams that, if they're good, could absolutely attract a FA that could put them over the top.  I'm not saying it's likely but we really haven't seen a competently run, young-and-growing Knicks team in over a decade. And if that team can make it safely into the playoffs and at least show they are competitive, that maybe gives them a chance with some bigger stars.  

A 2nd-round pick can always randomly unearth a good rotational guy but usually it's not much more than a end-of-bench guy, and so I am not someone who thinks they are particularly valuable when it comes to getting a player you feel can help you for a year or two.  I guess that's why I think this is a good move for the Knicks because Rose moves your floor up more than a guy in a year.  And honestly, if the Knicks had given up anything of real value for Rose I'd be right there with you.  But Smith was on his way to Westchester.

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bronxblue

February 7th, 2021 at 2:43 PM ^

Good move for both teams.  Knicks get a good PG who can help them make a run at the playoffs and the Pistons get a guy who is still only 23 and could figure it out again while also shedding a veteran contract.  I am not a fan of teams just bottoming out forever but I guess this is as good a strategy as any for Detroit.  The only concern is that they'll waste a couple of good years from Grant rebuilding and then just when they're ready to compete he'll take a downturn.  But ah well.

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bronxblue

February 7th, 2021 at 3:32 PM ^

I think we're mostly talking about the same team, only different philosophies.  I'm generally not a fan of trying to go from worst-to-first via the draft; what happened with GSW and OKC feels like more the exception than the rule, and even then it required guys hitting at just the right pace and timing that it's hard to predict.  So to me, I think teams that are in desirable markets (which includes NYK) should always try to be at least competent and competitive because there's a real chance a good FA or two may want to go there.  And Rose moves the floor of the Kincks up a bit in the East while not costing them much in terms of assets.  

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uncle leo

February 7th, 2021 at 2:49 PM ^

That's the thing though, Detroit has not bottomed out for a LONG time now. They have been floating between the 7-11 range for basically most of this past decade. I know I'm not entirely correct, but it feels they have had the 8th pick FOREVER. 

This is the the first time Detroit's going to have a shot at a top 3 pick in an eternity.

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Michfan777

February 7th, 2021 at 3:27 PM ^

I was born in Memphis to a family of yoopers, so my first team I remember liking was the Pistons, but since 2001 I’ve mostly been a Grizzlies fan.

As a fan of the Grizz, I love how they realized that being a 7-8 seed in the playoffs was their ceiling toward the end of the Zbo/Gasol/Conley era and began to prep for the future. As soon as Conley got injured in 2017, they embraced a 2 season tank (and I wish they’d do it this wasted COVID season tbh) and got 2 franchise cornerstones in Jaren Jackson and Morant.

The Pistons getting a top pick this year could do wonders and finally give us all something to be excited about for once. That gives them one potential star. Tank next season and the light will finally be at the end of the tunnel IMO. 

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bronxblue

February 7th, 2021 at 3:39 PM ^

Absolutely.  I was a fan of the Griffin trade when it happened because I honestly thought they had some young talent on the roster and could at least be competitive in the East with Drumond, Griffin, and Jackson as their core.  It wasn't going to win you the East but it at least makes you semi-appealing for veterans and some second-tier FAs who might be able to get you into a Miami situation where you catch fire and make a run.  But once it became clear Griffin was on the clear downswing they needed to bottom out and try to get a young star.  That's why getting Grant didn't make a ton of sense to me - he's a good player and I can see why Detroit thought he'd turn into the player he is right now, but he's likely only going to be this good for a couple more years and the team is going to be bad around him.  So around the time you actually start improving and become competitive, it's likely they'll have a 29-year-old who's a FA that you see walk or someone you're paying a ton for (if you extend) on the downslope.  

I'll be honest, though, I don't follow the draft enough to know if this year is a particularly strong season for being in the top 3; a cursory review of some draft sites show a bunch of freshmen PGs and G-league guys who haven't played yet.  

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nerv

February 7th, 2021 at 4:01 PM ^

Ugh the Griffin trade. This showed part of the problem of having a guy as both your coach & GM. SVG made that move out of desperation to save his job as coach. The core you just mentioned of Jackson, Griffin, & Drummond is the anti modern day NBA. Three guys on the court who cant shoot and need to get into the paint to be effective. Thats a really limited ceiling there. Not to mention Blake's spot on the all injury team.

Grant will be traded before his contract is up. Think of him at this point as future capital. I like what Weaver is doing as GM these days. It seems a lot of the FA signings were players hed hope would have enough production in their increased roles with Detroit that they could be trade assets down the road. Were finally making moves for our future instead of trying to contend for a bottom playoff spot.

Also not sure on your point about the NBA mock drafts. The top of every draft is Freshman and freshman aged players who didn't go the NCAA route. There is no bonafide #1 in this draft but it is much, much stronger than last season.

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Michfan777

February 7th, 2021 at 4:27 PM ^

No megatalents in this draft like 2019, but some really good project players with obscene upside.

Cunningham/Suggs/Mobley are the projected top 3.

-Mobley is a 7’ athletic monster with a huge wingspan. Built like Jaren Jackson or like a young Chris Bosh/KG, and prob needs to put on 25-30 pounds. 

-Suggs is a large PG (think Kidd/Westbrook/Wall size with a very polished game. Built to play a long time, as he plays under great control and doesn’t rely on athleticism as much (the anti-Westbrook in some sense)

-Cunningham is a Harden/Grant Hill PG/SG combo (the good kind of tweener where they have SG size/shooting and PG vision/skills). The perfect backcourt player in the era of position-less basketball. 

Jalen Green - Hasn’t played yet, but is projected to go after those 3 in case the Pistons somehow drop back a few picks when the order is announced.

Kuminga - This is the project player of the draft. The highest ceiling by far, but could def become a joke. Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s as athletic as rookie LeBron already. His game is very raw, but if he were to go to a good coach who could unlock the potential, this guy is a perennial all-star. Basically, the perfect Spurs project.

The Pistons have holes everywhere, so they can’t really go wrong. However, I would prob shy away from Kuminga unless I really think the Pistons could handle a Giannis-like project. 

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Glennsta

February 8th, 2021 at 7:48 AM ^

IMO Grant is a good enough player that he'd be very useful on a contending team.

Problem is the Pistons aren't going to be a contending team any time in the foreseeable future. As far as I can see, there are no blocks on place.

I trust their GM, Weaver, enough to recognize the time  in the future at which to move Grant to a contender in exchange for value.

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