Denard was topic on Ist and 10
Skip bayless and Rob Parker discuseed DROBs chances in the NFL
Skip says he has a below average arm in terms of strength, but reminds him of Chris johnson as a runner and DROB could be an every down back.
Rob Parker trashed him and said only things that make me hate Rob parker even more now
September 16th, 2010 at 11:19 AM ^
http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/those-tv-close
Already posted, but the original post has a pretty horrible title, so I get why you missed it.
September 16th, 2010 at 11:22 AM ^
I saw that thread that was about an interview with his track coach. this was different.
September 16th, 2010 at 11:29 AM ^
Fair enough. I guess I'll bring up the point I made in that thread, then:
They kept bringing up his (lack of) arm strength. I thought he had a pretty strong arm, is it just the homer in me? Or maybe because I'm comparing him to other college QBs, and they are comparing him to pro QBs?
September 16th, 2010 at 11:32 AM ^
He has a pretty strong arm, but absolutely no touch on the deep ball. That leads people to think that he can't throw the deep ball and so he doesn't have a strong arm.
September 16th, 2010 at 11:36 AM ^
tends to equate throwing deep ball with arm strength. Most QBs, strong arm or not, can throw deep ball. What arm strength really is the velocity to the hashmark where you really need to zip it before the window close. That is arm strength.
I agree with you joey that most people think that deep ball = arm strength, but it's not.
September 16th, 2010 at 11:45 AM ^
He has a strong arm, IMO. But their only exposure to him is the ND game. If you watch some plays, his footwork is off when he's rushed and so he under threw a few passes. Perhaps that's where they're basing their info? Probably also because he's not 6'6''.
September 16th, 2010 at 11:48 AM ^
I can see it but they have to realize that it's rainy in South Bend so you can't really get a true guage of arm strength. Hell Phillip Rivers have trouble throwing the ball in the rain last sunday. Ditto with Aaron Rodgers.
September 16th, 2010 at 11:49 AM ^
I disagree. Arm strength has a tremendous amount to do with the deep ball. Having a cannon for an arm does not automatically mean a QB has nice touch on deep passes, but it definately helps. A player like Henne, who can throw the ball 70 yards, can throw a pass 40-50 yards with a lot more control than someone like Robinson, who has to use almost everything he has. It is like long hitting golfer hitting his 7 iron 200 yards vs. me hitting a 3 iron. It is a lot easier to be accurate with a 7 iron.
September 16th, 2010 at 11:50 AM ^
can throw deep ball with touch. Does he have strong arm? No.
September 16th, 2010 at 12:28 PM ^
Chad pennington cannot throw a consistent deep ball anymore. Consistently is the key. There is also something to be said about cornerbacks having to respect a 20 yard out being easier to beat deep. That is another way that arm strength comes into play. I am enjoying Denard's play as much as anyone, but to counter an argument that he hasn't shown a really strong arm by saying that a QB doesn't need a strong arm is a bit foolish.
-The whole argument is stupid, anyway. Why does he have to have an NFL arm? He is a college player, and he has plenty of arm to run our offense effectively, IMO. I say we wait three years and let whatever team drafts him worry about his arm.
September 16th, 2010 at 2:51 PM ^
arm strength.
I'm not down on Denard's arm strength. It's plenty strong. My argument is people tends to equate arm strength with deep passes which is false. Arm strength is the ability to throw between the hashes. It forces defense to defend the entire field. Anybody can throw a deep ball but not many can throw between the hashes.
September 16th, 2010 at 11:41 AM ^
he showed some pretty nice touch on the throw to roundtree in the corner of the endzone that should have been caught.
September 16th, 2010 at 12:09 PM ^
he consistently overthrew guys on fly routes by a lot.
September 16th, 2010 at 1:37 PM ^
So did Chad Henne...when he was a sophomore. The touch will come.
September 16th, 2010 at 11:59 AM ^
Which, while (obviously) I love DR, I think everyone is getting a little ahead of themselves here. The vast majority of top-tier college QBs never make it in the NFL. Let's just enjoy the awesomeness as it's happening and worry about the NFL a little bit later.
September 16th, 2010 at 11:36 AM ^
real track speed towards the end of this video
September 16th, 2010 at 11:20 AM ^
Is that seriously who they have on that show now? I might as well listen to my ass cheeks talk to each other and I'll probably get more credible sports talk than watching that show.
September 16th, 2010 at 11:27 AM ^
Wait. So your ass cheeks talk to eachother currently, and you DON'T already listen to them?
September 16th, 2010 at 11:51 AM ^
Word. He should take those ass cheeks on "America's Got Talent."
September 16th, 2010 at 12:10 PM ^
He'll post a youtube of his cheek's commentary (is Denard fast, or what?) for the edification of mgoblog. No thanks, thought is disturbing.
September 16th, 2010 at 12:25 PM ^
If so, there is your own reality show......"Cheeks of Wisdom"
September 16th, 2010 at 11:32 AM ^
As the WWL, they have every resource available to them. Almost any analyst would accept an offer to be employed by them, yet, they go out of their way to hire garbage.
September 16th, 2010 at 11:27 AM ^
found here:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/blog?name=nfl_draft&id=5571720
Not two asshats who are paid to be asshats. Lists positives and negatives that Denard has going for him at the next level.
+ leadership, mobility, arm strength
- scheme, size, experience.
I'd post more but it's an insider article
September 16th, 2010 at 11:27 AM ^
Lawlz. God, I hate how stupid that guy is.
September 16th, 2010 at 11:40 AM ^
He has started 2 games in college and they are already discussing his NFL potential? And anyway, who cares what his pro potential is, if he can win games and championships at Michigan, I'll be plenty happy with that, and I think he will too.
September 16th, 2010 at 12:12 PM ^
he's not even ALLOWED to declare for the draft until after NEXT season.
Then again, college football recruitniks are already drooling over HS juniors... =O
September 16th, 2010 at 11:35 AM ^
What kind of economy/world do we have where those assholes are paid (handsomely!) to open their mouths?
September 16th, 2010 at 11:46 AM ^
I can't believe i'm saying this but is there just too much sports coverage lately? So many things have been analyzed to death and discussed that really have no business being discussed. For example, why we were subjected to 2 days of analysis of every Tim Tebow preseason NFL outing is beyond me.
Denard's started 2 games in his career at quarterback, and we're now projecting his NFL talent? And he's being compared to the best running back in the NFL? Denard's not even eligible to leave for the NFL until the end of next season, this is the most irrelevant topic in the world right now.
The only interesting question for me is, who is more useless, Skip Bayless or Rick Reilly? That should be a 1st and 10 topic.
September 16th, 2010 at 12:46 PM ^
Stop mindlessly consuming ESPN (providing them dollas) regardless of what ass-clown is jabbering. If you watch and (even worse) discuss whatever stupid points they make, you are answering your own question of "why" it's on. Turn ESPN off, read Mgoblog a few times a day (because you still love Michigan football) and go learn the cello or something in all your new free time.
When covering Michigan football, ESPN will either:
1) say something you knew already because you read this blog
or
2) say something stupid or wrong that might make you angry
Either way it's pointless to consume it.
September 16th, 2010 at 11:47 AM ^
why the hell would they have Rob Parker on that show? Skip is already a moron. I bet the IQ in that room was slightly below the level of your typical Columbus trailer park.
September 16th, 2010 at 12:01 PM ^
First, these two guys are clowns. Second, they are analyzing Denard as if he were entering the draft tomorrow. He is a sophmore who has played 2 real games. He has almost three full seasons to get better, develop and work on his weaknesses. Yes, he really needs to work on his footwork. Yes, he lacks touch on the deap ball. Yes, he will need to cut down on the # of wobbly passes (which could lead to picks).
But, he is starting is second freeking game - give the kid time to develop. In most situations, he would have redshirted this year and would have only been a frosh, playing in his second game. Why are we talking about his NFL potential now?
September 16th, 2010 at 1:41 PM ^
Some NFL analysts have to talk about college stars. They should be talking about budding NFL stars, but they're too lazy, so they hitch their wagon to the college coverage.
September 16th, 2010 at 12:11 PM ^
is what this team needs to do. Any team that gets on the same field as Michigan should walk away and know that getting beat was no mistake. The media darlings will follow Michigan's lead and that is a good thing. Denard was not even in the radar of most media gurus prior to the season and for that matter most Michigan Fans. This team has a chance to wake up the media and put Michigan Alumni back in their easy chairs. Michigan's offensive machine is just getting warmed up and the media hates saying they were wrong about Michigan Football and Coach Rod-leave them no choice.
September 16th, 2010 at 12:14 PM ^
DRob is not an NFL QB, but with his speed and overall athleticism he could definitely be in on returns or play WR like Randle El.
September 16th, 2010 at 12:26 PM ^
Obviously if he can make it as a quarterback, that's where people will try him, but at the very least, I would think the way he moves around in open space, a reasonable NFL comparison is Devin Hester. Really dangerous whenever you put the ball in his hands, which at the pro level could be best as a returner or receiver.
But I wouldn't forget about Antwaan Randle El - he was a QB at Indiana and got some Heisman consideration before going to the NFL and moving to WR and being a top-tier returner. He's another prototype.
In the more QB-oriented mold, there's always Kordell Stewart, who was solid at QB for a while in the pros.
Still, I think Hester is the best comparison. The only other guy I've ever watched who I thought could score on any given play at any spot on the field.
September 16th, 2010 at 12:43 PM ^
Need to eat a shit sandwich.
September 16th, 2010 at 1:33 PM ^
Whoever is between Rob and Skip today must feel like a shit sandwich in reverse.
September 16th, 2010 at 12:45 PM ^
Denard = Michael Vick with less arm strength and a lot more accuracy (not to mention Denard actually has a functioning brain in his head). If Michael Vick can play QB in the NFL, I think Denard can. He may not turn out to be an All-Pro, but he has the necessary talent to at least be respectable.
And Rob Parker always makes me LOL because every time I see him, I think of his hilariously inaccurate and fabricated story about Kirk Cousins being involved in that fight with the MSU hockey player and Dantonio (rightfully so) calling him out about it publicly. Most entertaining career implosion of all time.
September 16th, 2010 at 12:53 PM ^
He's 19 years old with two fantastic college starts behind him. Why the hell is anybody bothering to care what his NFL prospects are?
2011 he will be a Michigan Wolverine.
2012 he will be a Michigan Wolverine.
After that we will miss him and fondly recall the good times of Dilithium.
September 16th, 2010 at 1:35 PM ^
you say? Hmm, how long before we have two quarterbacks in the shotgun on every play. I can see it now. Marvelous...
September 16th, 2010 at 1:36 PM ^
have repeatedly demonstrated how little they really know and understand about college football. I'm surprised people spend time watching that exchange. No matter what the subject (especially MLB), it's just infuriating.
September 16th, 2010 at 2:16 PM ^
Rob Parker is as bad as it gets. Anytime he's on that show he is mis-informed and makes some of the worst arguments that could possibly be made. Rob Parker is a pissed of journalist that isn't making any money so he has to go on shows like first and ten and pretend that he knows something about anything at all. Denard doesn't need to have a cannon for an arm in this system, all he needs is to be accurate, and that he is. I stopped watching these shows a long time ago, I suggest you to do the same.
September 16th, 2010 at 3:07 PM ^
Early in the ND game he threw from the far hash to close to the sideline on a rope and on time. Cant remember the receiver but that impressed me. Just hope to have him thru 2012.