You're not off the bandwagon but you are comparing him to juice Williams.........seems quite contradictory
to play football, not to play trumpet
You're not off the bandwagon but you are comparing him to juice Williams.........seems quite contradictory
Juice Williams was one of the most electrifying QBs of his time. I think the comparison is there, though.
With Robinson here next year he is OUR starting QB. When I watch the games it is clear that Robinson just isn't used to or has not adjusting to when he should tuck it and scramble.
He was much more comfortable last year running is the common theme I keep hear but the difference it is was running the read option play. His first look is to read the d-line then keep if he chooses to and by then he already knows where the best lane to run though is. This year having him drop back and then scamble is not working and he is clearly not comfortable doing that. I agree with other posters who are calling for 85% shotgun and 15% prostyle but right now it is almost 50/50.
We need to put Denard in his last year and a half here is the best position to suceed and the i-formation just isn't that. Garnder is not the answer. All I can hope for is Hoke steps in and tells Al to look at last years film and to adjust accordingly.
The coaching staff does not owe it to Denard to put him in the best position to succeed. Their responsibility is to the team/program. They need to put the team in the best position for success, and that includes looking to balance both short and long term needs. In this case, I believe that includes installing the system that they will look to run in years 2-XX.
I love having Denard as our QB. He seems to have countless terrific qualities, but he also has some glaring shortcomings in terms of managing the offense, that are not isolated to this season. Denard did not look comfortable scrambling last season either. Even if the conference is down this year, in terms of overall strength, the level of athlete (and coaching staff) is still far superior to what Denard faces in the earlier parts of the season. Having said that, I'm hoping that the coaching staff can adapt the game plan a bit to put the team in the best position to succeed, but the players also need to execute.
Denard has and had real coaches; Williams got Zooked. Denard can throw the ball; Williams was mediocre at best. Denard will have a good supporting cast on both sides of the ball; Williams didn't.
I could do this all day; I love semicolons.
Let's be real here. Denard has excellent power on his throws, but he has below average accuracy and decision making on them. If I had to rate him as a passer compared to actual pocket passers, I think mediocre would be the word I would use for him as well.
The kid is an elite talent with an amazingly humble personality. He's my favorite Wolverine since Hart. But it is pretty obvious he has regressed this year.
As far as coaching, is there not a litany of threads that say Borges doesn't know how to use DR?
I wonder how much learning a new system plays into the decision-making and accuracy issues. Hesitation because of having to think about each play and each throw would affect both of those areas.
Whether Denard is Juice Williams or Michael Vick, whether it's RR's system or Borges's, whether you use a semicolon or have a semi, we have beaten this to death.
Bottom line, we are 7-2, nationally ranked, have great coaches, and have a tremendous upside.
I love Denard. He's simply not an accurate passer, deal with it! None of us have the answers and I guarantee Borges is pulling his hair out! Well...maybe not.
Next season in Dallas, he will need to have 35 carries just so we can stay in the game!
Isn't Alabama losing most of their team to the NFL?
It has become relatively apparent that Denard is a mediocre passer
You guys are really turning on him.
umm lol... denard can throw? lol Williams was a far better passer than denard is..
I could name more deep throws i saw williams complete in 1 game than denard has thrown all year
Illinois had quite a bit of talent during the Juice era: Arrelious Benn and Rashard Mendenhall were both explosive playmakers and 1st or 2nd round picks. On defense they had Vonte Davis and mgoblog favorite J Leman.
+1 to you for semicolons, the most underutilized punctuation mark.
[Edit: -1 for not using a semicolon, -1 for not actuallly being able to upvote you]
Denard and Brady are very much alike - you hit them, hurry them, they get off rhythm.
All in for Denard, but his decisions need to be better and snappier.
This is the most terrifying title I have ever seen on MGoBlog
Reading the title was a big bring down for me...
The analogy was obvious even in his freshman year. Still, Juice was not as bad as people made him out to be... at least against Michigan.
Is Denard the only one playing a new offense? Is he the only one making mistakes on blocking assignments, routes, snap counts, etc.? It's probably really hard on Denard to be the only person making mistakes while learning a new offense. Every blocking assignment has been executed perfectly, and every receiver route has been run with laser-like precision.
We were a 7-5 team that got manhandled against every quality opponent, and we installed a new offense and defense. While the Juice comparisons are fair given the athleticism, I think we take our mid-level bowl, win one of the last three (and the bowl game), and call this season a success. I'll take 9-4 given the shit maelstrom we've had the last three years.
Denard has proven to be a student of the game, and is willing to bust his ass to succeed. I can't wait to see him next year.
im confused.. how are we winning 9 games?
By winning 2 more games
Nebraska just lost to NW, and we have that game at home.
Ohio State is Jeckyl & Hide, and we have them at home.
Illinois lost Purdue, and haven't looked good of late to boot.
I don't see how we can't win out, let alone win two of 'em.
I don't like this thread.
Denard Robinson = Denard Robinson.
OP, just no dude.
I am a huge fan of Denard and think he represents the school well. I am also hopeful that he has a fruitful career in the NFL. Unfortunately, he has very little chance of being a QB at the next level except for the occasional wildcat formations that nearly everyone has installed. I think he would be better served by allowing him to show his diversity in other roles on the field. I'm not saying that he should never play quarterback, but using him in a role more comparable to his likely role in the pros would benefit him. It may benefit the team as well. His presence elsewhere on the field has proven to be a huge distraction at times this year when Devin was in at QB.
We have no other viable options for QB. Devin is not currently a viable alternative; that drive where he was in was all yakety sax.
God damnit. I am going to fucking lose it.
Running up the gut on every first down, before the last two drives .. for me, that predictabilty is what tore us up, not anything Denard did. Once we started being aggressive, on those last two drives, we started seriously moving the ball on them. Why can't we start - on both sides of the ball, with that sense of urgency, from the get go, is frickin' beyond me!
What did Denard mess up Saturday?
He threw a solid pass that was deflected and picked.
We dropped 5 of his passes, including a touchdown.
He had another touchdown waved off by the refs (ruled incomplete)
and ANOTHER TD pass grossly interfered with.
He had a flukey, no-contact fumbled that, while his fault, was a result of him trying to make a play - his key attribute is not giving up on plays
And if he had not dropped the ball when it hit the ground, it looked like he would have had a lot of room to motor! I really thought something good was about to happen until I saw that he no longer had the ball.
DRob is pretty good at those 10-15 yd throws. He is horribly inaccurate throwing deep.
Tell Al, maybe he won't call a bomb every third play (that is when he doesn't insert Gardner to prevent any momentum).
Read the presser. The bombs were reads Denard made.
There were some big time drops out there...that will hurt anyone's confidence
we were a shitload of drops, a fluke interception, and some bad calls from 30 points.
I'm not sure Borges messed anything up.
A fluke interception, c'mon, he stared that receiver down for a good 5 secs before he threw the ball, that pass should have never been thrown. And the play calling, in certain spots, was bad.
You're just typing things with no basis in reality
You're right -- this topic is utterly "f'ed." Juice Williams beat Ohio State.
Chad Henne didn't.
I'm not sure if you were trying to prove my point or not, but you just did.
Chad Henne won a lot of games that weren't "big games," and threw a lot of TD's for a ton of statistical yardage. You know what I, and many others, took from Chad and Jake Long's tenure? Great Michigan Men, but no OSU victories, the horror, Oregon, Wisconsin... damn the list is depressingly long.
Sorry, but we're not beating Nebraska or Ohio this year, and a shit Illinois team will be a nail-biter we'll be lucky to win. That's reality, since we bloggers pride ourselves on our logic.
Denard hasn't won shit, and we haven't even faced a truly elite team yet. Fear not though, we'll get our beastraping at the hands of Alabama in 2012's Cowboys Classic. Can't wait.
It's going to be a while until we have a good product on the field again.
Juice Williams had amazing ninja ball fakes, but he is not Denard Robinson.
You should be sent to Bolivia for starting inane threads.
Right, the spread offense relies on taking advantage of stupid, inexperienced or just generally less than elite defenses(few future NFL'ers)
2006 Texas vs. USC disagrees with you.
That SC defense was not very good. They gave up big plays all that year.
Nick Saban & Les Miles & their multiple NC's disagree with you. As well as the 30 teams playing on sunday, not to mention a certian 7-1 coach in the bay area.
Spread & shred to college football what the deleware wing T is to high school football. Both win a TON of football games and overall have tremendous success until you run into a HS team with some division 1 level talent on D or a college team with future NFL talent on D.
Denard is an accurate passer....within 10 yards of the LOS. I dont understand Borges love association with the 40 yard deep ball that Denard cannot seem to throw to save his life (bless him at least he just chucked it this game).
We the fans know this.
The game film is there.
The coachs should know this.
When do we seemingly run our best offense and seem in rhythm? During the 2 minute drill when Denard is making quick short throws that are less than 10 yards.
Do MANBALL and short routes and watch our offense profit from it.
Get a life. That saying never gets old. But seriously.
is pretty good actually. See chitownblue's quick recap up there, sums it up.
Where Dernard is absolutely terrible is on long balls. There was a PI on a long one called back, refs probably decided it was uncatchable. But that was the only one close.
Juice was a different QB. I don't think Dernard will go through the massive drop-off he did if he sticks to it. He has the character to work hard, get comfortable with Borges' schemes and go out next season and lead us well. He will not be a pro QB - so what?
This was alwyas going to be a tough transition year. Borges' potential stubborness worries me more than Dernard's arm. Dernard will be fine in an offense that gets him throwing in that 10 to 20 yard range, slants, curls, screens, whatever.
"And Shepherds we shall be ..."
I got a lot of my buddies to really like it, before it became such a cult classic. Now almost everyone likes it (except my wife, she only likes really crappy romantic movies).
seem to have turned from being critical of the staff (paid), to being critical of 19 to 20 year old players (student-athletes).
Any quarterback is going to make mistakes. Hell, Rodgers had a near perfect game for Green Bay with one slightly mis-thrown ball that almost cost them the game. The key is to put your players in a scheme that allows for production without having to be perfect on every single down. It feels like this offense is always trying to play 'catch-up' with down and distance. Maybe due to the ill-timed, momentum killing DG insertions, or the designed QB runs that fool no one (I thought this staff was going to 'protect' Denard?).
It just seems to me that the 'home run' potential our offense had, has been replaced by a series of plays that never really seem like a threat unless the defense misses an assignment. I'm sure that's an over-simplification of things, but let's be fair and pass some blame around to the other position groups and the coaching staff.
Denard is, and will be, one of the finest ambassadors of Michigan that has ever had. Without him, we're bitching about a 4 win season, at best.
This thread sucks ass.
in a picture form.....
Over-under on how many neg votes the OP ends up with?
Denard Robinson = "Engage!"
Denard is becoming a better passer week by week. The coaching staff just needs to let him scramble a little more. I don't really know how they will get him to do this, but I propose Inception.