D-day Morning Open Thread
January 11th, 2011 at 8:42 AM ^
Makes for a great story that I'm sure ESPN the Ocho will be all over.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:03 AM ^
January 11th, 2011 at 11:36 AM ^
Rodriguez's absence is notable.
January 11th, 2011 at 8:28 AM ^
Well, I would like to point out that it took two meetings to fire RR so it would seem logical that it would take more than 1 to hire Miles...or any coach. I bet they reached a handshake agreement last night and they are working on the contract/legal stuff today.
January 11th, 2011 at 8:57 AM ^
that's a real problem. The only thing that's certain is that LM wants to be offered the job. It's possible, for a variety of reasons (e.g. contract leverage with LSU), that Miles wants to be offered the job but will not end up taking it. Everything today is in LSU's favor.
Can't force a guy to sign a contract, but at the same time DB's got to close if that's what he wanted. I would like to be able to sleep again.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:05 AM ^
This is not a small decision for either the school or Miles. A "no" would have been wrapped up last night, a "yes" requires a little additional discussion. Talk of a meeting today that actually took place yesterday is all good for M. LSU could pull out their checkbook and make things interesting, but to bring back a coach that has twice flirted with the same school and publicly addressed the meeting with that school at an LSU presser? If Miles isn't taking the Michigan job he is probably going to be looking for another one anyway. Tell your boss you are meeting with another company today from 1:00-3:00 PM, and then meet with that some company a week from now at the same time and see the reception you get when you come back.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:09 AM ^
Totally agree. LSU is not going to put themselves through this every time there's an opening at UM. I don't think they'd get rid of him for flirting with UM this time, but I doubt they are goign to throw more money at him to keep him from coming to us.
Personally, I think it's a done deal -- except for Les and Kathy and Bass going out in public right after they dropped the UM group off at the airport. That one gives me pause.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:38 AM ^
Please (angry Michigan coach hating) God, not again for a long time.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:41 AM ^
Yeah, I thought that might get some laughs!
January 11th, 2011 at 9:14 AM ^
But this is the land of make believe. LM has established his outs - he can say he was merely consulting with M on candidates. LSU will happily back that storyline if he stays put.
If we offered and didn't sign him, all risk is now borne by M, and LSU gets the last meeting.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:11 AM ^
I don't think it's in LSU's favor at all. Everything seems to be pointing our way.
1. they may already have signed a contract but Miles has to go to Denver today for that speaking function.
2. LSU met with Miles last night to try and persuade him against taking the Michigan job. That to me says they are really worried he's gone.
3. As we saw with the RR firing DB likes to take his time and work things out. All that may be left is another meeting to work the final kinks out. If I had to guess right now I would say Miles is our next coach....because outside of Miles have you heard DB meeting with anyone else?
January 11th, 2011 at 9:24 AM ^
Last night everything was in our favor - LM took the meeting, didn't declaratively state he would stay at LSU, leaked that he would take the job if offered. We had him in our environment with our people - if he wants the job, close him right there. As any salesman would tell you, letting someone sleep on it often means you'll never see them again.
Again, can't force someone to sign. But it's the dealmaker's job to create all the conditions and inducements for the target saying Yes. And striking while hot is a big part of it
January 11th, 2011 at 9:59 AM ^
This is correct - either it was done last night or isn't getting done - I am guessing the former but you just never know. If not and we end up with Hoke I have no choice but to consider this process a failure on the part of DB, regardless of how they spin it.
January 11th, 2011 at 10:07 AM ^
That's the thing though, you're assuming they didn't get it done last night.
January 11th, 2011 at 10:33 AM ^
I was responding to your statement of "could take more than 1 meeting..." You probably weren't getting into everything I was getting at, but I was just making the general statement that if they wanted it done, last night was the time. And if you're going to have a handshake deal, why not just sign this paper Les?
And now I'm a little worried, b/c if they did sign last night, what's the point of the rumored LSU meeting? They would have known it was over last night and it probably would have leaked by now.
But what the hell do I know?
January 11th, 2011 at 8:30 AM ^
Double post, although I'm not sure how. I only clicked it once.
January 11th, 2011 at 8:30 AM ^
GB did you really just quote the Joker in Batman (Jack Nicholson of course.)
Because if so, you just moved up a notch. Welcome to Notch 1.
January 11th, 2011 at 8:44 AM ^
This will be me if they announce Hoke this afternoon...
January 11th, 2011 at 8:58 AM ^
and awesome at the same time.
January 11th, 2011 at 8:44 AM ^
Les is a man. He's 57. Rest of B1G, welcome to getting your ass kicked.
January 11th, 2011 at 8:50 AM ^
If Hoke is hired you win best Avatar.
January 11th, 2011 at 8:50 AM ^
in the pale moonlight? I think I have...
January 11th, 2011 at 10:13 AM ^
That is one crazy looking cat
January 11th, 2011 at 8:52 AM ^
THE PLANE CLEARLY AVOIDED OHIO AIRSPACE, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?!?!
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<br>Seriously, I'm so glad I don't have class today. My f5 button is going to be fatigued.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:05 AM ^
On the "Dominos Bird Flying Home" thread I would like to apologize to all the Ohio wolverines (meals69)I might of offended. Clearly your job would be the "Red Dawn faction" in the event they would try to shoot the plane down.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:13 AM ^
Lucky I'm stuck in class right now.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:23 AM ^
Kirk Herbstreit is going to be on M&M at 9:00.
Just talk about the NC game and keep M out of it please Herbbie. I'll let the board know if he tries to bring the Whammy.
EDIT:
Herbbie said nothing on M and was one the phone from AZ I presume, maybe there was an UM Alum in the room with a gun to his head.
January 11th, 2011 at 10:02 AM ^
In 2007, Michigan did not contact Miles at all. I don't blame Miles for being hugely pissed off -- he was already being insulted (privately) by not even being asked, then Herbie fucks with LSU by announcing the "scoop" before they play in the national championship game against Ohio State, his alma mater. Outrageous.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:00 AM ^
A few things:
1) It seems that absolutely no leaks, or any kind of credible leaks, are coming from the UM side. Therefore, the Miles leaks are coming from the LSU side.
2) The main leaks are that a) LSU would be willing to lower his U-M buyout and that b) Les would take the job if offered
Where are those leaks coming from? Would Les leak either of those bits of information? No. Would his agent? No. Would LSU? Yes. Why? Because they think Les is using the U-M job as leverage for his contract at LSU. So they'll leak that "Hey, Les, if you want it so bad, take it", in effect trying to call his bluff. The main question -- is Les bluffing? And did/will U-M offer him the job?
January 11th, 2011 at 9:05 AM ^
Your parsing seems to make sense, will Les accept the job is the real question, as there is little doubt that he fits the criteria outlined by DB at the start of this search and thus the offer was made. Time for Les to put up or shut-up.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:12 AM ^
They will call it and he knows. LSU is not going to come out looking at all desperate or even the slightest bit needy. But he is the mad-hatter, I just think he has miscalculated if he thinks there will open arms waiting in Baton Rouge should he decline an offer.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:23 AM ^
But at the same time no one knows at this point whether he was actually offered the job or not, just like we don't know whether JH was actually offered the job or not. We can infer, we can think, we can suppose, but there is no hard statement.
Les can always say that "I spoke with David Brandon as a distinguished alumnus and former coach and player of the University and offered my advice on the coaches he has on his list and hope that I was of some help to him in this tough decision making period."
Lots of balls still up in the air so too early to draw any conclusions.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:55 AM ^
I also think that if Miles either isn't offered the Michigan job or turns it down, he is too much of a Michigan Man to do or say anything that will divide the fan base. I could easily see him releasing a statement of support for whoever does get the job.
Or, another scenario: Brandon doesn't actually want to offer Miles the job but agrees to give him a face-saving gesture: Miles can hold a press conference saying he was offered the Michigan job but turned it down because of his family is too settled in Baton Rouge, he's too devoted to his LSU team, etc., etc. Soon after, Brandon announces his choice, and Miles releases a statement of support.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:23 AM ^
At ESPN, under rumors they just had a supposed quote from Miles that said "I'm probably staying" so who knows whats going on.Take it FWIW.
January 11th, 2011 at 10:09 AM ^
Like 4 days ago to his players
January 11th, 2011 at 9:24 AM ^
There's lots of speculation that Michigan hadn't offered Miles yet (before last night), so it easily could have been by Miles' agent trying to get Michigan to offer.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:42 AM ^
vs. just communicating to Brandon directly. Unless it's an attempt by the agent to force all the pro-Miles boosters to force Brandon to make an offer to Les. Which is possible, I suppose, but risky -- because Brandon has made it clear he wants to keep his own counsel, and wouldn't appreciate somebody out-pimping his own hand.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:07 AM ^
How do I always find a way to be stuck at home during coaching turnovers? Three years ago, surgery on my foot. Now, norovirus.
Between all the coach rumormongering and the Maury Povich show, I have completely lost faith in humanity over the last few days.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:18 AM ^
maury and his little skanks
January 11th, 2011 at 9:21 AM ^
Yup. And they are reeeeeeeaaaal little, and reeeeeeeaaaal skanky today.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:23 AM ^
won't unify the fan base. Too much baggage IMO.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:29 AM ^
Will reunite the fan base, and whomever brings that in will do that regardless of what some might think of as baggage.
January 11th, 2011 at 11:48 AM ^
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2009/11/huge_show_audio_michigan-ohio.html
To that point, listen to Jerry Hanlon from a year ago, at exactly the 5 min mark. Good interview in total from a great Michigan Man.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:29 AM ^
He will unify much more than Brady Hoke. Hoke will be our version of Chizik without the paying of players. Basically unviversally panned by the Michigan fan base and only applauded by the Down in Front blue hairs. Say good bye to Denard if Hoke is here.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:29 AM ^
I am listenting to Baton Rouge sports radio for shits and giggles, and FWIW, they are reporting based on "inside source"---You know that kind that were right about this, and that etc.---that it is 80-20 LSU. This is Les' right hand man, so he would know!
Coaching searches aren't fun. It looks like I have to start mentally preparing myself for the Hokemania era just in case.
I don't doubt that Brady is a fine coach with a strong supporting staff. My fear with Brady has always been in regards to recruiting. It has been a long time since Brady has recruited on a larger scale, and well, recruiting has change a hell of a lot since Brady has been here last.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:31 AM ^
The Kabuki dance with the devil in the pale moonlight continues.........
January 11th, 2011 at 9:32 AM ^
My fear with Hoke is his disdain for the spread. For some reason or another since he has taken the SDSU job he has developed a hatred for the spread. Yes, I know he has run the spread at Ball state, However, he has made comments that running the spread makes teams weak. We can pretty much kiss Denard goodbye and good portion of the slot receivers.
January 11th, 2011 at 9:43 AM ^
January 11th, 2011 at 9:50 AM ^
but I still like your avatar.