Chris Spielman

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I am not a big fan of former tOSU players offering color commentary for a Michigan game.  However Spielman was actually insightful and very good on today's broadcast.  His comments about the 3-3-5 and the bubbles of space that force your 5 defensive back to make the majority of plays 2-4 yards beyond the line of scrimmage was dead on. 

Spielmans comments about recruiting were also succinct pointing out that although we did lose some players on strange one off's (Cullen Christian) that for the most part players that work on the defensive side of the ball at West Virginia are just not going to cut it at Michigan.

However, ESPN has no excuse to miss 5-7 Michigan plays today becuase of a sideline interview or pictures of the stadium from 1927 when we are in the hurry up.

mwolverineforlife

November 20th, 2010 at 4:34 PM ^

I have a friend that's staying at the Ann Arbor hotel where the Wisconsin team was staying along with ESPN, he overheard Spielman talking about Brady Hoke being the next coach. I wonder. 

Trust the Process

November 20th, 2010 at 4:58 PM ^

Spielman is a good commentator.  Surpisingly, I would prob take him over any alternative except Millen(!)

 

Missing that many plays by ESPN is unacceptable.  I demand a re-do of the game.

MGlobules

November 20th, 2010 at 5:04 PM ^

Griese is ready for the glue factory, and Speilman--after making lots of noise about how he was going to give us HIS exalted insight about the D--said nothing of interest. The idea that people necessarily excel as broadcasters because they played the game just does not follow. Get Brian out there, I say. 

That said, today was definitely a day when you wondered if RichRod really has forced the 3-3-5 down GERG's throat, and if it's appropriate for the Big 10 or for us v. Wisconsin.

cadillacjack333

November 20th, 2010 at 5:06 PM ^

As a much as it kills me to agree with a Buckeye, it kills me more watching the 3-3-5.

It leaves you very vulnerable to teams like Wisconsin.  How many running plays was that in a row you could not stop?  It felt like 50.  They just said we are tougher than you so good luck stopping us.

I think the remainder of the focus of the recruiting class needs to be some DT's.

mgoBrad

November 20th, 2010 at 5:08 PM ^

Normally I think Spielman provides real good commentary, but his talk about the 3-3-5 is just dead wrong, and I'm surprised people on this blog are falling for it.

Thankfully, this is easy to prove. WVU still runs the 3-3-5 with Jeff Casteel at DC. They have the #4 scoring defense (13.2 ppg), #8 pass defense (158 ypg) and #7 rush defense (94.9 ypg, 3.0 ypc) in the country thus far this year. Granted, the Big East isn't exactly a powerhouse in terms of competition. But they are doing this is with WVU-level recruits. 

The whole "you need 4 beefy down lineman to play defense in the Big Ten" is a red herring on the level of "the spread offense will never work in the Big Ten." It's just a dumb argument, and anyone who did their research would know better. Just because it's not been tried or done properly, doesn't mean it can't work.

I think the reasons for our defense's lack of success should be pretty obvious by now, they've been described ad nauseum on this blog: youth, lack of talent, injuries, and coaches not on the same page with what system we should be running. The 3-3-5 system, if run properly, is not the problem. 

/getsoffsoapbox

letsgoblue213

November 20th, 2010 at 5:36 PM ^

I remember in HBO's Michigan-Ohio State documentary, Spielman said he originally wanted to go to Michigan but his dad basically made him go to Ohio State. Although he went to OSU, at least that shows he has respect for Michigan

mackbru

November 20th, 2010 at 6:03 PM ^

We won't get many blue-chip recruits as long as we have a coach who keeps juggling d-coordinators and is one or two bad losses away from unemployment. Sure, we'll get the occasional Beyer-type kid, who was born Blue. But why would blue-chips from elsewhere be especially attracted to RR? Seriously. They want a coach they have confidence in. 

TIMMMAAY

November 20th, 2010 at 6:09 PM ^

Because not only is he wrong about half of what he's saying, his comments about NFL type of players has an indirect impact on recruits and their perception of our program. This is national television here, and that's not right.

AMazinBlue

November 20th, 2010 at 6:16 PM ^

but you can't defend the scheme.  The 3-3-5 has not worked...yet.  It doesn't show any evidence of ever working.  I understand the players are young, but Spielman's points about the talent level (ie 3-stars and "project" type players) and the holes in the defensive scheme are accurate.  What you cannot defend is that this defense cannot tackle, period.  They haven't tackled well all year.  Their inexperience affects the angles they take and the positions they end up in in coverage, but tackling, like blocking are fundamental from youth football.

I understand they are young, but this staff has changed schemes so often the kids don't know what defense they are running.  Robinson is not s 3-3-5 guy, he is a tried and true DC that has run 4-3 and 3-4 defense in college and the pros.  RR is the 3-3-5 guy, the problem is, he is an offensive coach.  Let the DC run what he wants. 

Unfortunately these kids are trying as hard as they can,, in a scheme no one is en expert at.  The staff is putting young in positions where they cannot excel.  That's my problem with it.

The reason most UM fans don't like Spielman is because he is an OSU guy pointing out flaws on Michigan.  The real problem is, he's right!  He certainly is better than Millen.

mackbru

November 20th, 2010 at 6:26 PM ^

Recruits don't care what Chris Spielman says. They care about what they're seeing on the field and from the coach. And I'm quite sure they're not seeing much they like.

I don't know why people jump all over a guy who takes the anti-RR view. Reasonable people can disagree. But how could anyone suggest that someone in the anti camp has no grounds? That's kind of silly and reactionary.

Yes, RR has won more games this year. But the real question should be: How has the team measured against quality competition? The answer is: unfavorably.  It's nice that we eeked out wins against Illinois and a shitty Purdue team. Last year, on the road, we took MSU and Iowa down to the wire. This year, at home, MSU, Iowa, and Wisconsin thumped us. The record is better; the reality is not.

dahblue

November 20th, 2010 at 6:35 PM ^

I don't know why people jump all over a guy who takes the anti-RR view. Reasonable people can disagree. But how could anyone suggest that someone in the anti camp has no grounds? That's kind of silly and reactionary.

Welcome to the MgoBubble, where RR is just one excuse away from history.

Ponypie

November 20th, 2010 at 7:56 PM ^

I would hardly say that Iowa thumped us, and MSU is debatable.  OK, so I won't argue with you about Wisconsin, but that's one out of three.

Besides, we beat an improved (substantially) Illinois team, and Purdue on the road.

Maybe recruits are seeing something better from their perspective.

The Punisher

November 20th, 2010 at 6:37 PM ^

...I'll always respect Spielman at some level. I'll say this...

1. His recruiting speech was crap. Everybody TRIES for the top kids.

2. His analysis of the 3-3-5 as a scheme is crap. It has the flexibility to be what ever you want it to be from week-to-week.

But....

3. He talked about an identity crisis. Very true. 3-4? 4-3? 3-3-5? Whatever it is going to be, RECRUIT for it. If that means a dedicated NG at DT, a bunch of OLB/DE and OLB/S tweeners, so be it. But recruit for the D you are going to run. Don't get a 4* DE, play him at OLB and wonder why he is playing at a 2* level.

4. For whatever his weaknesses are, if you had Spielman as a coach, you better bet your ass we would be more FUNDAMENTALLY sound. Stay in your gap, wrap him up, and bring him down. Fundamentals. I pray whoever the new DC is preaches these early and often.

deejohn

November 20th, 2010 at 7:10 PM ^

Did anyone actually listen to Spillman? He contradicted himself... First he said its not the scheme their just arm tackling and missing tackles. Then he said ths scheme wont work in the big ten. on top of the shots he kept taking at MICHIGAN which were pretty funny some times. He failed to mention how the negative recruiting takes it's  toll on a program in the turmoil MI was going through w/ the investigation.

Yooper

November 20th, 2010 at 7:33 PM ^

so many people who have been around the Big 10 for years are saying-that it is almost incomprehensible for Michigan to be so non-competitive on defense. Forget scheme and other excuses-this is not a one-year aberration anymore. It is sad to watch.

Bill45

November 20th, 2010 at 7:35 PM ^

 In addition to his being exactly right about that facts, here's the worst part about Spielman's comments --  the genuine remorse and sadness in Spielman's voice as he talks about the decline of a once great football program and worthy rival.

Spielman's a football purist and a Buckeye to his marrow.  He knows it does the Buckeyes no good to see their greatest conference rival decline into mediocrity season in and season out.

But Rich Rod will get another year.  That sucks.

Just glad Bo is not around to see it.

BLUeNM

November 20th, 2010 at 7:39 PM ^

I didnt pay attention to who the commentators were but I did hear their discussion on Michigans recruiting. His talk about how Michigan only recruited good offensive players while not recruiting defensive players really annoyed me. I felt like he should have know about the issues with the program as well as the defensive players we've lost and the ones who were not accepted to the school(Dorsey).
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<br>This game was frustrating to watch because I felt like our defense finally were getting to the right spots. The inability to tackle is beyond frustrating. It's one thing if they break one and we are out of position but so many times we were right there and didn't tackle, which has been an issue all year.

SysMark

November 20th, 2010 at 7:47 PM ^

There was one major inconsistency in Spielman's defensive recruiting comments.  He acknowledged that the defense is very young and should get better as they age, but then went on to say they weren't recruiting good players.  If they are that young he can't yet make the determination of how "good" they are.  Several highly touted recruits have barely seen the field yet.

Also thought the "what was good enough for West Virginia isn't good enough for here" was a cheap shot.  He probably should not have gone there.

I like Spielman but that was not his best effort.

DaytonBlue

November 20th, 2010 at 7:50 PM ^

that's been there and done that.  He was an OSU great, played in the NFL (if Detroit counts) and knows of what he speaks.  I think most will feel he was on target with his criticisms.  It's just hard to take criticism and UM and it's fanbase is very proud.

elaydin

November 20th, 2010 at 8:29 PM ^

You can't consistently beat Ohio State, with players Ohio State doesn't want.

I can only think of one defensive recruit that UM went head to head with OSU on, and won (JT Turner).  It used to be lots of Ohio prospects chose between OSU and Michigan.  This doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

List of Ohio players on Michigan's defense:

  1. Avery
  2. Vinopal
  3. Bell
  4. Talbott 1
  5. Talbott 2
  6. Kovacs
  7. Ryan
  8. Black

None of them were heavily recruited (or even offered?) by OSU.  You can argue that Rich Rod can do a better job than the OSU staff at identifying offensive talent (or talent that fits their system), but I don't think that argument holds for defensive players.

Chris Rock and Greg Brown will continue the trend this year. 

MGoShoe

November 20th, 2010 at 9:32 PM ^

...I can't speak to what was discussed by Spielman and Griese.  I can say that Bob Griese walks quickly.  He passed me on the way to his car at the Pioneer lot.  Dude can still move.

charliebauman

November 20th, 2010 at 11:50 PM ^

It's all about putting pressure on the qb. What bugs me about the 3-3-5 is it's difficult to put pressure on the qb with only three lineman up front. You give any qb in the league enough time to pass and they'll pick you apart. I notice when we blitz or put more people at the line of scrimmage, the qb is less likely to complete a pass.

maiznblue

November 24th, 2010 at 10:10 AM ^

  Rank Total 5* 4* 3* Avg. Points
2002 16 22 1 11 9 3.55 1,819
2003 17 17 2 11 3 3.82 1,667
2004 5 22 1 12 8 3.59 2,116
2005 6 23 1 10 11 3.48 1,995
2006 16 19 2 9 7 3.63 1,974
2007 12 20 2 5 12 3.4 1,750
2008 10 24 0 17 6 3.67 2,220
2009 8 22 1 13 6 3.59 2,124
2010 20 27 0 6 20 3.19 1,479
2011 27 13 0 3 10 3.23 867