CBS Sports has a story about Chip Kelly and Nick Saban. Eagles after Kelly and Browns after Saban.
CBS Sports has a story about Chip Kelly and Nick Saban. Eagles after Kelly and Browns after Saban.
Should title chip Kelly. I think of Brian Kelly when you say Kelly. Thanks for posting!
thanks.. your right. i wasn't even thinking about Brian Kelly.
The drama I want is Meyer to the NFL. So he has one season at OSU, goes undefeated but the team isn't bowl eligible and then bails for the NFL. Would be great to see the OSU fans go from hating him at Florida to forgiving everything and loving him at OSU to hating him for abandoning them. I doubt it would happen due to the comfy situation he has at OSU and the stress of the NFL, but the drama would be awesome.
I think the Meyer to anywhere drama would be nice, because I don't see him staying the entire duration of his contract, let alone being a lifer there. Someone that had an escape clause in their contract to coach here, ND, or OSU; all bitter rivals no less, doesn't strike me as the loyal type.
Sadly, Meyer is in a great position. He has a job where nobody will meddle, ala the Brantleys at Florida, as long as he wins. He will be worshipped throughout his home state for the rest of his life if he stays. He is at the wheel of a world-class cheating factory that pumps out elite players faster than Chelsea pumps out Jiffy Mix.
Meyer has no reason to leave. Ohio is one of the top five jobs in the country if you win. Meyer is a great coach, and it's going to be really difficult for him to lose with the kind of personnel he and his boosters can attract to Columbus.
When you google "Urban Meyer," google suggestions puts the word "affair" next. For those who are jaded or cynical in nature, the best thing to hope for is a repeat, resulting in another "health crisis" that magically disappears as soon as he leaves town. Otherwise, it could be a very, very long ten or fifteen years.
I'm eating one of their corn muffins right now, getting ready for my drive to Grand Blanc today. It's going to be nice to ge out of the Columbus area for a while.
And there is no way Saban is coming to the Browns. Joe Banner has decided he wants to have final roster control. He wants to hire a GM who reports to him for football operations (so they are essentially a glorified Pro Personnel director). I would think Saban would want more power than that.
Also, it seems Mike Lombardi (yes, the guy who drafted JaMarcus Russell) is DESPERATE to get back into the NFL. He worked for Banner in Philly in the 90's, and would be willing to take the GM role in the reduced capacity that Banner seems to want out of his GM. There have been tons of rumors, and my guess is Lombardi is the one floating lots of those rumors through his media pals to try and position himself for the job.
One rumor stated that "hiring Lombardi would give the Browns the inside track to Saban", the reasoning being Saban and Lombardi both worked on Belichick's staff in Cleveland in the 90's. I have read in multiple other places that rumor is not true in any way, shape or form. Also, I've read that Saban doesn't care about Lombardi's involvement one way or the other.
I was hoping the sale of the Browns meant the end of cronyism and that maybe the new braintrust would actually put effort into the interview process and hire the best man for the open jobs (GM, Coach). If this happens, it will signal the fact that nothing has changed and Browns fans just have to hope that the bosses' friends are up to the task.
Maybe I should become a Lions fan. At least you have Calvin.
The key with this is the vast majority of the big ten, imo, try to do things the right way. In the SEC everyone cheats.
There are no graduate school interns in the NFL.
Insert pictures of NFL cheerleaders here.
Here there's a Tenessee booster trying to hire Saban away from their rival.
At least William Clay Ford could have been hiring away Meyer and Tressel. Couldn't do any ores as coaches and would have helped the state. The Yankees did it to Michigan all the time.
I would like for both corrupt coaches to take their act to the NFL!
If true that seems like the eagles ownership hasn't given up on Vick yet.
I'm exciting to see Chip Kelly go pro. He's really the coach who will provide a definitive answer on if the spread can work in the pros or not. His style of it seems the best suited for the NFL.
Hasn't worked at the college level. He has as many championships as Brady Hoke and Brian Kelly. Well Hoke after Jan 7 anyways.
Now he has to play real defences week in and week out in the NFL. Good luck.
It's hilarious that you think ND has a shot. My first response to your post was laughter, not annoyance, FYI.
I think ND has a shot, but only because they've gotten so lucky this year, its not insane to think that luck would carry over to the NC game.
I can easily see a game where Alabama thoroughly outplays ND, but somehow manages to lose 3-4 fumbles in their own territory. Or AJ McCarron will somehow fall down a flight of stairs and break his arm the night before the game.
Notre Dame, if they win, will squeak out a 13-10 kind of win, and it will only be because Alabama would beat itself. Notre Dame is talented, but Alabama is on another level.
...like Michigans sugar bowl victory last year. How sweet that victory was...how terrible was the game....and nobody (UM fans included) said we deserved to win.
But we are all happy we did..right?
Yah because ND doesn't have a defense of which to speak of. Oh right, only Alabama compares. If you think for a second that ND is going to get wiped out like you guys were, you are drinking too much of the Blue Koolaid.
Two weeks after Alabama beat UM 41-14 on a neutral site, ND beat UM by a touchdown when UM threw six interceptions. If Denard Robinson has an average game that night, UM wins, and ND isn't even in the title talk.
Transitive property fail.
Want some Koolaid?
This is just a dumb comment. It has worked incredibly well. Just because he hasn't won the National Championship doesn't mean its not a good system.
Every fad offense that eventually goes pro gets sniffed out and fades away. The defense always catches up to the offense and everything returns back to the manball mothership.
You're really grasping at straws there man. I guess two Rose bowl berths, damn near winning a MNC, and being a perrenial MNC contender just doesn't cut it at the college level.
Well, he made the Rose Bowl when USC was an utter mess due to sanctions, lost miserably in one of his Rose Bowls, and will only win this year because the best team in the B1G is ineligible.
His team was pretty well beat by an Auburn team composed of Nick Fairley, Cam Newton, and a bunch of guys who only won 8 games the next year.
Under his tenure, the Ducks have made a habit of dropping marquee games, like LSU and USC last year and Stanford this year.
Yeah, I'd say that doesn't cut it.
Wait....what? He didn't lose miserably to Ohio State, he lost by 9. Second, the years he made the Rose Bowl, USC was 9-4 and 10-2. Third, he's not going to the Rose Bowl this year, Stanford is.
Next, the original point wasn't about whether Chip Kelly was a great coach, Phork said the spread hasn't worked in college football, and everyone here called him an idiot.
Finally, as UM fans we really shouldn't be harping on coaches who have poor bowl records and drop marquee games, you know pot calling the kettle black and whatnot
And almost everyone to a man around here predicted them to slaughter the Buckeyes it was pretty miserable.
But the funny thing about Phork bashing the spread is that the same Notre Dame team he's saying are world beaters have a spread coach.
I have no choice in which offense my team runs. But I know these things about football. If you can run the ball and stop the run you have a great chance of winning. That is football boiled down to its most basic tenets.
You should probably read the Mathlete's posts sometime, because your understanding of Football is about 30 years out of date.
Right, but in the big game against better defense they don't win. See Stanford (2012), LSU (2011), USC (2011), Auburn (2011), BoiseSt (2009) & tOSU (2009).
He'll be successful against the Detroits, Oaklands and Jacksonvilles, but get crushed against the better league defences. He'll be back in college in 5 years or less.
What's your argument? That there is a magical offense that makes your players better than the other team and that discredits what Kelly has done? You said it your self before, football is blocking and tackling. Oregon went toe-to-toe with those closely matched teams (really, a great argument could be made the Oregon was over matched in some of those) and lost close ones. Kelly makes his money by how well his offensive line performs, which can be said about any succesful offensive coach.
Guys, poster is obviously Canadian*, give him/her a break.
I'm interested in hearing how NFL defences would do against an invasion from Vikings or crusaders. Can you elaborate?
New England, Washington, Seattle, Carolina and now San Fransisco all employ spread principles to great effect.
I'm not sure it's that radical to what some of the teams run now. Or at least the run and shoot. Might look a lot like the old Oilers, and they were fairly successful.
Having a full time offense with a QB like Pat White might be suicide with a NFL defensive line and linebackers. But throwing a lot could work.
Has no one watched the Washington Redskins this year? RG3 as a rookie has his team on the verge of the playoffs running a spread option. He is closing in on almost 1000yds rushing and SF is doing the same thing with Kaepernick.
If you stil lthink the spread won't work anywhere you are Gary Danielson or uh I don't know you must be Gary Danielson.
To close on 1000 rushing yards. But he's also thrown close to 3000 passing yards with a 104 QB rating. If a run first QB like White could do that he'd still be in the League.
if you think running QB spread = any spread = not working anywhere = not working in the NFL you must spend too much time trying to defend any slight to your belief system. And RGIII is an interesting example to pick when he's already missed games due to injury.
BUT if you put Vick, pre-dogs, with this team in Chip Kelly's offense, in today's game. You'd have a HOFer in 15 years. That would've been amazing to watch.
Holy Crap at the idea of Mike Vick in the Kelly offense
Kelly likes more passing in his spread than Vick is capable of though. If say Logan Thomas was a bit more mobile he'd seem idea for Kelly in the pros. Or perhaps Gardner. Kelly really only has the QB run when the QB has a line to get some yards without taking a hit. Otherwise it is about fast tempo via a passing game and a power running game. He spreads out out with four wide, then punches you in the face with the running back (literally sometimes).
I can't see Vick having the passing mechanics to run Kelly's offense. Vick also might not have the physical conditioning at his age (and thanks to his injury history) to run the system for an entire season. I'd say the real challenge for Kelly is fielding an offensive line where he can keep 3 or 4 WRs in all times and still keep the NFL front seven from mauling the QB/RB. If D-Coords can force him to bring in TEs or backs for blitz pickup they take away a lot of options for Kelly's style of play.
Not exactly. Kelly's passers have been fairly mediocre since Dennis Dixon left, but they've been accurate enough to run his relatively vanilla passing schemes. Chip uses tempo and he uses very good tailbacks, neither of which are affected by Vick.
What you are correct about is that the quarterback run is not an essential part of his offense; the quarterback only needs to be quick enough to force a defender to cover him instead of going after the running back, freeing up blockers to outnumber the defense at the point of attack. Pretty run-of-the-mill spread stuff by design. Where Vick helps here is that he is a greater running threat and thus the defense won't be able to cheat--and those times when he does run he'll have a lot of space.
I actually think Vick would pass quite well in Kelly's offense.
now have 2 excellent running backs. LeSean McCoy is a known quanitity, of course. You've probably at least heard of Bryce Brown by now. Kid looks like he's going to be pretty good as well (obvious caveat about a few games does not a career make apply).
Dpes that mean Gruden goes to Oregon? Because I heard he bought a house in Philly. I'm so confused.
With McCoy too
If Kelly can win with the spread in the pros I will:
a) sit in the corner of my room and hug myself while I cry because it will bring us even closer to the end of MANBALL
b) proclaim him the best coach of his generation.. yes, better than saban and even.. GULP... the hoodie
yeah, because chip kelly's offensive system would work so well in the NFL.....
How do you know that it wouldn't?
At the least it'd be a very interesting case study. I'd tune into those games.
Implementing the spread may also confer an additional advantage early on, as NFL teams haven't really had to face it.
hence why I said if
Whatever team Kelly ends up on, I hope they play the Patriots at least once a season. Hurry up offense on both sides would be fun to watch.
I would be shocked to see Saban leave. He tried the NFL and came back to college. He was not fired, he chose to come back. And if he did decide to come back, no way he would choose Cleveland.
I like Kelly's chances in the NFL as long as he moves away from the hurry up, that would kill his D in the NFL. You can do it at times like the Pats, but not the way he does it now.
Oregon doesn't run a hurry up, they run a no huddle and there's a huge difference.
You can do one without the other. But Oregon runs a no-huddle hurry up offense.
I could see Saban being successful in Cleveland since they appear to be on the right track and not a shit show like Miami, but it's still Ohio and Cleveland. Not sure if he'd want to live there.
I mean, I've never been there, but is Tuscaloosa Alabama all that great?
I have been both places. It is one hell of a lot better than Cleveland.
Lol as long as Michigan has Detroit , you can't talk shit about Cleveland and Ohio. Detroit is the crappiest city in the U.S by far
There are still states that would beg to have a Detroit... like Indiana... I cannot think of a more bland state.
Detroits bankrupt , crime filled and just about devoid of industry. It's best days where 30-40 years ago. I'd live in Cleveland over Detroit anyday.
Detroit (of which I lived inside the city limits for some time) and its metropolitan areas are pretty novel, gritty, rock star inducing, culture creating and awesome place to have lived.
i have no idea what Cleveland (aka the flats and rock and roll hall of fame stealer) is all about, but I don't care so long as you refrain from cliche disses of the d. "Crime and corruption". Seriously? Fu.
never mentioned anything about corruption i'm sure every city has that to some degree. We agree to disagree. Personally don't like Detroit and i'm not alone
From what I've heard Cleveland isn't much better. It's also in Ohio which automatically makes it bad.
Hampster to the Lions? Wait they already have one there.
Admittedly, I don't watch pro sports. I think in the last two years I may have seen 4 quarters of pro football in total.
But, I know Dallas has been on a decade+ trail of sucktitude. JJ has show a willingness to open the checkbook for the right coach. What he hasn't shown is the ability to stay in his skybox and let the football guys run the team.
Saban would be the first since Jimmy Johnson to have the clout to put him at arms length and actually win games.
Bill Parcels called and said it didn't work out so well for him.
Nick Saban the Pro coach in Ohio holding (potentially) three CFB NC rings compared to Urb coaching the college team. Meyer be like "Wha?" and throws his hat in the NFL ring.
I wonder how Jerry Jones and Saban would get a long because I see the Cowboys as a more natural progression for "Saint" Nick.
Urban also has a couple from FLA days
would make sense since he is from the Northeast part of the country if I'm not mistaken.
I would love to see this happen so that Bama & Oregon will have to scramble to replace iconic coaches in their program histories.
And whatever ramifications it has regarding Urban is all the more fun to think about for those miserable buckeye fans, many of them anyways...I've actually met some cool ones out here, maybe cause it's in CA.
It's a defence first town; it better work day 1
Defense first town? Not the last few years.
Detroit, Houston and Atlanta all ran the Run&Shoot. Most of their snaps were taken from under center though. Houston enjoyed the most success with it. Moon, Curtis Duncan, Haywood Jeffries, Lorenzo White, Ernest Givens &Co put up big numbers in the pass and run game.
What is we see RichRod in Oregon when this all shakes out? I could see it.
I don't get Nick Saban would leave. What successful college to NFL coaches have their been? Harbaugh and Carroll? Carroll only went back because he knew USC was going to get hammered. Saban gets paid like an NFL coach and is a God to those rednecks. Why leave?
Because it is there.
Coughlin, Parcells, Bill Walsh, Jimmy Johnson, Dick Vermiel,and Barry Switzer are examples of college to pro coaches who had more success than Pete Carroll and Harbaugh did in the NFL.
I forgot about Johnson and Switzer but none of the other guys metioned went from HC at college football-->NFL HC. Vermeil had prior NFL experience and not to mention most of NFL success came after he came back to coaching.
Parcells at Air Force. Coughlin at BC. Walsh at Stanford. Vermiel at UCLA.
Are you purposely missing the point? They all had coordinator experience in the NFL prior to becoming HCs. We're talking about guys jumping straight from college HC-->NFL HC.
Dennis Green, Mariucci, and Caldwell had some NFL success, but not Super Bowls like the others.
He is not leaving his throne in Tuscaloosa. We all need to move on. Nothing to see here.
I tweeted the original #21 Desmond Howard that Kelly will be going to the jets so he could use Timmy tebow in the spread
Wrong. Mebow is going to the Jags.
Rex Ryan has been working hard to get fired. HIs teams have gotten worse every year. And Woody Johnson has the cash, and he needs to make a splash..
If anyone can back the truck up to Saban's house, it is the Jets.
...this day in age is absolutely beyond me. If I were Chip Kelly, I'd be taking a look at the Chiefs before I'd take a look at Philly. This is a team 24 months removed from hosting a first-round playoff game, has a lot of those pieces still in place, and may just need a QB. I'd rather show up in KC as a package deal with Geno Smith and be in a division with the gutless Chargers, laughinstock Raiders and soon-to-be 37-year-old Peyton Manning than head to the NFC East to duke it out with the Giants and RG3 every year.
Nick Saban is a great coach and I'd hire him in a second to run my NFL team, but if he heads to Cleveland sans QB, it will be Dolphins redux for him.
What's wrong with Foles? Philly has a lot of nice pieces fir a Kelly offense.