BWW Post Game Coaching Thought Thread

Submitted by alum96 on

I thought I'd start early since the game is moot at this point. I know there will be the traditional offense and defense threads but at this point I think the worst thing about UM football is you have no idea what unit will stink the coming week.  There was a stretch the defense did ok (but gave up a killer drive at the most unfortunate time) but the offense was horrid.... people pointed to "youth".   There were flashes of brilliance on offense - ND and OSU but almost everything between those 2 bookend games save for the HS defense Indiana rolled out was a disaster.  And those 3 games were  IMO one player (Gardner) playing like a NFL 1st rounder - so an entire offense reliant on such fireworks from the QB to be competent is damning.  An offense should be able to function with just a capable QB, not require individual brilliance. Special teams has been average all year and tonight looked horrid.

I know as time passes and spring returns the usual rosiness will return to this board.  It always does.  But other than Shane tonight I didnt see much to be all excited about.  I am very worried about the tackles and safety positions next year and frankly Blake and Raymon were demolished tonight by a nice upper end receiver but even the "well we are all set at CB next year" meme is shaky to me.  The Big 12 is not a good conference but we showed tonight that we cant even hang with a .500 type team from that conference.  

My general thoughts on the coaching early 3rd quarter of this game are below - I am ready for your neg bombs to eternity.  The best thing about 2014 to me is we will no longer have the apologists who can claim youth or its all Rich Rod's recruits fault anymore.  I am expected 7-5 to 8-4 next year... and mostly due to player talent infusion, not player development or outcoaching an opponent.

I know it is TL;DNR so dont read past this line if you just want to vent... I needed to vent, as this football program has wore me down (with an exception in '11) since 07.

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Be honest.  If you took off the uniform's and replaced them with Purdue's of the Joe Tiller era would there be any difference btw those Purdue teams and UM program the past 6-7 years?  A good to above average QB, a finesse offense whose line generally sucks is ok but "finesse-y" year after year ...after year, especially when facing upper echelon defenses.   Some nice WRs, average running game. A finesse defense that is dominated at the LOS when they play any above average team.  But able to roll off 7-8 wins most years with a "special season" if all the right players come together and the schedule works out.  Unfortunately that is the framework I see in our program right now.

Michigan outrecruits Purdue of any era by a wide margin which makes this comparison even worse.  Michigan far out recruits KSU but you can see an elite coach, coach circles around us.  I dont care what happens tonight or next year - the evidence is on the field the last 2 years (2011 seems to be the anomaly) ... without elite talent our coaching staff cannot get elite results.  And that tells you all you need to know about the future of the program.  Hoke recruits good enough there will be a lot of 9 win seasons out there but if you truly believe this is an elite staff that will take UM to the promised land well I'd like to have what you are drinking.   And for those who say bust the bank for big time coaches, they are paying these guys like big time coaches - Hoke is #9 in the country I believe and we have 2 of the top 20 highest paid coordinator in all of college football.  Sorry even Mattison, I was a big believer in 2011 but his conservativism is mind numbing and  I am sick of reading how we dont have athletes when UM has the pick of the litter and has better recruits than Wisconsin or MSU every year.  Top 10-20 classes year after year (or better) and "lacking athletes"?  Please.

2014 will be another 7, 8, or upside 9 win season of relative mediocre with no margin for error at safety or offensive tackle, and being outcoached or out-toughed by the better teams.  It is amazing to hear what Hoke said he wanted at UM and he cannot build and the apologists all just blame it on "youth".  Harbaugh built the program in his mold in 3-4 years, they beat top 10 teams twice in his 3rd year, on the way to brilliance in his 4th. (He started with a 1-11 team)  They were tough even when losing.  Dantonio in year 4 at MSU was about to run off back to back 11 win seasons.  Is that coming here? Nah.  Sorry this is not a youth problem - this is a coaching problem from top to bottom.   It is average coaching.  Paid like elite coaching.  And that wont change if they win 56-28 tonight.

AMazinBlue

December 29th, 2013 at 2:03 AM ^

All three phases and all four quarters.  This staff is in WAAAYYY over their heads.  NO MORE MICHIGAN MAN crappola.  It just doesn't matter.  Get a coach that knows the game and develops talent and can recruit.

At this point all Hoke can do is recruit.  Let's see what the attrition is and we'll have a better idea where this program is headed.  I hate to look.

freejs

December 29th, 2013 at 2:16 AM ^

I said this in the game thread - if you took a couple key recruits off the table, is there anyone on the staff you would be even slightly upset about losing before next season? Anyone?

The best answer anyone came up with was Coach Heck. And I've got nothing against him, but how upset would you be?

I think the answer to the question is damning.

jamcon3

December 29th, 2013 at 2:17 AM ^

Ronald McDonald is the face of McDonalds but they don't let him run the company! No one will dispute Hoke's love of michigan but he is way over his head. Time to move on.

Jimmyisgod

December 29th, 2013 at 3:48 AM ^

Anyone else struck by how much more team speed K State had than we did?  I know some of our guys have run good 40 times in high school, but it seems we value bulk over speed.  I saw a leaner and faster K State team outplay us.  We looked bulkyt and slow across the board.  Heard a quote from Narduzzi this year, he talked about the speed of his guys and that many other players in the B1G were too bulky and slow to play for his defense.

Just seems we value size over athleticism and speed.

UnkleBuck

December 29th, 2013 at 5:19 AM ^

This year has been an epic embarrassment. All of the Borges bitching has deflected attention from Mattison. Please tell me what he has done to deserve $800k per year (ok, I give you Peppers).

MIMark

December 29th, 2013 at 8:00 AM ^

Hoke has a similar issue as Carr: too much loyalty to his assistants. It is an admirable trait to be loyal to your assistants but when they (much of offensive staff and especially Borges) are not consistently performing to expectations, loyalty can be a weakness. Expectations are not being met here. Hoke is a fantastic coach but he needs to reevaluate the expectations of his staff and reevaluate his thoughts on what kind of offense he wants to run.

jasgoblue

December 29th, 2013 at 12:00 PM ^

What have you seen that I haven't to make the claim that Brady is a "fantastic coach"? He's looks lost out there, no passion or fire. I'm not expecting him to pull a Bo Pelini, but come on. Show some fucking emotion on the sideline. The headset thing is a joke now and I can live with that but he has to show some passion. No more, "Gee golly, I guess we didn't execute and they did".

Steve in PA

December 29th, 2013 at 1:05 PM ^

The tirefire that is Penn State with the scholarship restrictions, negative atmosphere, and bad recruiting at the end of the Paterno era had an identical record (7-5) and better B1G record (4-4) this year than Michigan. 

Let that sink in for a moment...A program that was given the closest penalty the NCAA has to the death penalty was better than Michigan this year.  AND they beat us again.

How about last year when things were supposed to be REALLY bad at PSU?  PSU (8-4, 6-2) Michigan (8-5, 6-2).  But we're supposed to believe this coaching staff will turn things around?

Brandon made millions marketing mediocre pizza to the public.  He's obviously the right man for the job because he's still selling a mediocre product.  That's his comfort zone and why he won't make a change.

Call James Franklin NOW before he winds up at Texas!