Buckle Up?
Isn't D'Antonio more likely to put a claim in for "Galactic"?
Is D'Antonio the love child of Mike D'Antoni and Mark Dantonio?
Winovich to announce at 5:30 today, per the M Block (and confirmed by TVH)
EDIT: don't see that on M Block twitter page, may have been deleted. But it's included in the ESPN forum. Maybe shouldn't have posted, but assumed it was public with the Coach Brown tweet
EDIT II: since I can't find the Coach Brown tweet, and Tom wasn't as definitive (and I feel a little bad having posted Tom's ESPN Insider), maybe for now this should be revised to say, IF anything happens today, it will be later in the day. I'm sure there will be an update later. A Coach Brown tweet does say Winovich knows where he's going to commit
The tweet regarding the time was still around actually...
Chase Winovich will be making his decision today at about 5:30.
— CoachBrown TheMBlock (@CoachBrown3) June 1, 2013
Winovich seems like a very underrated player, I hope he goes blue!
Why am I just now being informed of this?
Double post
but recruiting services are obviously not the be-all-end-all to a HS players abilities. If you're a linebacker in the midwest and both Michigan and Ohio State are pursuing you heavily, then you are a great linebacker. I doubt we're fighting over a guy who both schools see as a depth player. It's nice to see 4 or 5 stars next to a guys name, but Winovich has gotten the Brady-Urban stamp of approval which is just about as good to me
People think Hoke poops gold, so any recruit he pulls in must be awesome.
Also, people think he's better than he might be just because Michigan has a chance to win him away from Ohio State. If he didn't have an OSU offer, I doubt there would be as much hype.
That depends on who's doing the evaluating. Urban Meyer has been accused of relying on recruiting services for his information, and he's not really renowned as a great talent evaluator. People said part of him getting run down at Florida was because he disliked the recruiting process, talent evaluation, etc. He just got sick of it. Who's to say he won't have the same problem at OSU? And I don't really see his guys from Florida tearing it up in the NFL, so I guess I don't put a ton of stock in OSU's offer. Honestly, I'd be more impressed with a Penn State offer, because those guys are great at evaluating and developing linebackers.
Isn't the accusation that Urban sometimes relies on recruiting services for his information MORE of an indication of talent in this case?
If Urban usually uses Scout/ESPN/247 for his information and Winovich is just a middling 3-star, AND Ohio State is still pursuing him hard, in a year OSU is (mildly) handicapped by NCAA scholly restrictions, in a position where they already have 3 highly rated commits and a lead for a near 5-star (Raekwon) that would make 4 LBs... That would indicate that the OSU staff has identified Winovich specifically amongst all the other 3-stars in Ohio as a larger talent
I don't know. I don't know who Ohio State has offered and why. Winovich has long had an affinity for them, so it's possible that they offered him over some other 3-star guy partly because they thought they could get him. It's also possible that some LB coach at OSU knows Winovich's uncle's dad's barber, and he thought he might have a shot because of it.
The bottom line is that some good programs (Michigan, Ohio State, Miami, Oregon, Virginia Tech, Florida State) have offered, while lots of other good ones (USC, Alabama, Florida, Texas, Texas A&M, Georgia, etc.) have not. He's a 3-star to every recruiting service. He might be good. He might not. Regardless, he will be the same player whether he's the #535 overall player (which he's currently ranked by 247's Composite ranking) or #250.
Huh? At no point in this thread have I offered a judgment on Winovich at all.
False. Read what I say, not what you think I'm trying to say.
Hah. Find where I've said that he's not talented. Here's what I said:
"If he didn't have an OSU offer, I doubt there would be this much hype."
That's all I said, and it was in response to a question about why there's so much hype. People need to stop twisting my words.
Hah! (just starting a post with "hah" is an incredible indicator of how much of a tool the poster is). Maybe magnus needs to realize that perception is reality. Everyone read your words, and everyone interpreted them to be critical of the opinions of both staffs regarding Winovich. No one is "twisting your words", we're just not in the "magnus poops gold" camp. Get over yourself.
You're avoiding the question.
As I mentioned in the comment about Kyle Kalis, the hype around Winovich on this board would not be as pronounced if not for the fact that people perceive Michigan (or whoever he picks) to be stealing him from OSU.
Magnus,
I'm curious. When you're putting out your evaluations, how many hours of film are you watching? Where do you get full game footage of all of these prospects?
Nope.
That's certainly not an accusation anyone who knows what they're talking about would make. It would mean Urban Meyer never goes after a prospect before the recruiting services make their ratings and would never go after a 3 star recruit. Neither one is the case. OSU has offers out to, and commits from plenty of 3 star types.
Also, even though the HC might have the final say, I would think the position coaches have a lot more to do with who gets an offer and who doesn't.
Perhaps you should take a closer look at their coaching staff, particularly their linebackers coach. Then get back to me.
I think if Bill O'Brien is smart - and he seems to be - he'll give Coach Vanderlinden and Coach Johnson some freedom to evaluate their players. Like it or not, I trust Bill O'Brien and Ron Vanderlinden to find linebacker talent over Urban Meyer and Luke Fickell.
The hype is getting a little out of control. Bill O'Brien had near zero input in player personnel decisions at New England. Hell, he was the OC in New England for only one year.
PSU didn't have a terrible roster of players last year. JoePa didn't exaclty leave the cupboards bare there. He had a promising first season that exceeded expectations, but we still have very little data on his ability to evaluate and develop players. Let's wait a couple years before we crown his ass.
I don't really give a rat's patoot about Bill O'Brien.
Ron Vanderlinden and Larry Johnson are the linebacker and defensive line coach, respectively, and I'm sure they do a ton of the evaluating of their positions, if not others as well. Vanderlinden's counterpart is Luke Fickell. I really shouldn't have to say any more.
Maybe Tom Bradley was calling the shots the last 10 years. Maybe Everitt Withers has a lot of input on personnel at Ohio State. None of us knows for sure. I agree with you that I think Vanderlinden is a better coach than Fickell, but neither is the only coach on their respective staff. And considering Urban Meyer's track record with assistants versus Bill Belichick, I think I would put more faith in an Ohio State offer right now than PSU.
PSU's linebackers coach is Ron Vanderlinden, who has coached numerous excellent linebackers in the forms of Pat Fitzgerald, Paul Posluszny, Navorro Bowman, Michael Mauti, Sean Lee, etc.
Luke Fickell has coached...umm...Ryan Shazier?
Yeah, I'll take Vanderlinden and Co.
Fickell has been the linebacker coach since 2004 (with the exception of 2011).
So he's coached AJ Hawk, James Laurinaitis along with a few other NFL players (Rolle, Carpenter)
i've never understood why people say things about how well a player from U of M does in the NFL. I guess its good to see, but if i had to choose, i would rather the player be a great college player than a great nfl player, I want U of M to win more than I care about the quality of the players career once he leave. And yes great college players usually mean great NFL players, but sometimes you can win with players who don't project to the next level but tear it up in college