Brady Hoke says it takes 5-6 years to build a program

Submitted by Blueblood2991 on

Brady talking on his new XM show. Sorry for the Freep Link.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverine…

For those who don't want to click some notes:

Hoke says it takes 5-6 years to build a program, especially if you are changing an offensive scheme.

Hoke says he expects Michigan to surprise this year.

However, this was after he referenced how Jim Tressel left Urban Meyer with a loaded football team, so he was able to win quickly.

Hoke then said "The recruiting our staff did really fits to the style of offense and style of defense. That's something that's going to help them."-when asked if Harbaugh will have a good first year.

At first I was glad that he expects Michigan to succeed, but he only made it two sentences after being asked about Harbaugh to reference how his recruits will help Jim, when the question had nothing to do with him.

Is Brady bitter and planning to take credit for any Harbaugh success in year one?

 

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PopeLando

August 18th, 2015 at 6:36 PM ^

His major mistake was trying to fit talent into a system rather than design a system to maximize his talent. It takes 5-6 years to do that if a) you can't teach, and b) you're too stubborn to change. Unfortunately for us, Jim Tressel was better than almost anyone at maximizing the talent available to him. Brady was worse than almost anyone. Hoke recruited amazingly well, so we're in good shape in terms of talent. It's my belief that Hoke never understood why he succeeded or failed here.

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lilpenny1316

August 18th, 2015 at 7:13 PM ^

Hoke does not seem like the type of coach who is going to design a system.  So Brandon hired the wrong guy in that case.  

Based on what opposing coaches have said about our talent, it does appear that he recruited very well and we at least have that going for us.  

I don't know if Hoke will ever understand why he succeeded/failed.  I don't know how you break a football player (Gardner) who was once a Heisman trophy candidate and under utilize another (Denard).

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Sopwith

August 18th, 2015 at 9:01 PM ^

but in the week following UTL2 (2013), there was Heisman chatter and consternation that he might leave a year early for the NFL if he projected to round 1 by the end of the year. That's how amazing he looked in that game. Hard to believe now, but at the time, it was reasonable.

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billybrown

August 18th, 2015 at 9:36 PM ^

That was his best performance of his career but I always figured you needed more than one game for that September heisman. In 2010 denard had a great opener against uconn an amazing game against nd a huge game against Indiana (oct 2nd but close enough). Then in 2011 denard had utl 1 and the game against sdsu which made him a September heisman fave. Didn't realize how high people rated utl 2.

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SpikeFan2016

August 18th, 2015 at 11:46 PM ^

Hoke recruited well, but it was far from Alabama/Ohio State levels. 

 

2014 and Hoke's half of 2015 classes were far from elite and even in his two good years he whiffed on many top recruits and had poor DE and WR recruiting throughout his tenure.

 

Definitely a good recruiter, but he wasn't this elite superstar recruiter as some seem to be taking for granted. 

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newtopos

August 19th, 2015 at 1:10 AM ^

Given the importance of the QB position in football, Hoke's recruitment of Bellomy (year 1), no QB (year 2), and Morris (year 3) borders on malpractice.  Gardner's redshirt question makes the decision-making even worse.  (Imagine if Gardner hadn't been granted the redshirt.)  As for the non-QB components of the team, it's hard to separate the failure of development from a failure in evaluation, but it sure seems he had less of an eye for talent, and his "excellent" recruiting classes were somewhat paper tigers.  E.g., Hoke recruited a lot of OL ranked higher than Omameh.  How many of them were actually better recruits?

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Reader71

August 19th, 2015 at 4:24 AM ^

Regarding OL, not a single one of Hoke's recruits has graduated yet. Ask the same question in two years, when the guys from his first full class, who redshirted, finish their careers. Also, if you remember Omameh's play as a senior, you will remember that the bar isn't all that high. He had a nice career here, but he wasn't a great fit in Borges' offense and was arguably less effective as a senior than he was as a junior. And his QB recruiting depends entirely on how Morris develops. But that's no surprise. It was by design. And although he seems a little behind schedule, he could conceivably start this year and next and be a raging success, at which point Hoke's QB recruiting looks fine. Your claims do look good as of today, but you're just way too early.

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Blue Indy

August 18th, 2015 at 9:28 PM ^

Are you high?!? Here's a direct quote from Hoke in the OP'S linked article: "We won the Sugar Bowl (in 2011 and went 11-2) and had 15 fifth year seniors so we had guys who played a lot of football and we had Denard Robinson, maybe one of the most dynamic quarterbacks to play at the University of Michigan when you look statistically."

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BluCheese

August 18th, 2015 at 11:08 PM ^

How much credit did rich rod take?  Plenty.  Anybody remember him lamenting that he didn't get to eat the cake?  He whined a lot worse than Brady's doing.  Besides are you going to disagree with Harbaugh who gave credit to Brady at his introduction speech.  I'd like to see the guy on this blog who would have the guts to run down Hoke in Jim's presence.

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ElBictors

August 18th, 2015 at 6:40 PM ^

I thought it was weird when RR interviewed Hoke and think it's weird now how Hoke is being asked about Harbaugh. Tough spot for him to be in and at the same time, not sure why the media or otherwise feels the fans and public want his opinion. Because ...what else is he supposed to say?

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UMForLife

August 18th, 2015 at 6:48 PM ^

I have respect for Brady. I don't want to click on the link above, but I am annoyed by his answers. I wish he would have taken the high road. Hopefully, he will reflect on his career in a few years and evaluate his time at M in a different way. Right now, he is apprehensive. I can't wait for 3rd so we can focus on Football.

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VoiceOReason

August 18th, 2015 at 6:48 PM ^

For anyone who thinks Hoke is taking undue credit or trying to stretch the truth about how this years success is related to his recruiting etc, remember that Harbaugh himself said that Hoke built a great foundation for him to build on in his intro presser. And if I am going to believe what Harbaugh says, which I do, then I'm going to believe what Hoke says too. That being said, let's win and I'd be happy to give Brady the benefit of the doubt.

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late night BTB

August 18th, 2015 at 8:22 PM ^

of course he'd say that.  What else is he gonna say 'man guys, there ain't shit for talent here, and don't even get me started on the QBs!' 

Harbaugh's action spoke louder....going out and getting every QB he could.

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MGoOhNo

August 18th, 2015 at 8:25 PM ^

Hoke's a family friend and he, UM and any real fan should want Hoke to get another job. Harbaugh is so confident he doesn't need to lay foundation for future excuses. As such, if he slathers praise to get this man a gig and save UM massive money, so be it. But don't confuse that with facts.

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VoiceOReason

August 19th, 2015 at 2:17 AM ^

Well the facts are that 1. It does not take 5-6 years to get to a NC (but maybe that long to have a fully implemented machine?) 2. Hoke was not good enough to stay as coach given the opportunity he had (although Hackett said he wishes he could have helped more ie maybe Hokes tenure could have at least ended better with a different AD?) 3. Hoke had significant influence on the current roster and player talent, and did not leave the cupboard too empty at all. So given all that my conclusion is that Hoke is wrong/misunderstood about the 5-6 comment, but certainly not trying to take undue credit or lie, and with the same token, Harbaugh is also sincere about hoke leaving him a good roster and academic (but less program/mentality) foundation.

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WolverineMac

August 18th, 2015 at 6:57 PM ^

What he said is the truth. The scheme, recruiting, and experience should help Harbaugh this year and moving forward. It should shorten a transition. Hole realized this is first year, just couldn't sustain. Harbaugh doesn't seem to have that challenge based on past history.

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Frank Chuck

August 18th, 2015 at 7:04 PM ^

In the past 15-20 years, we've learned that great coaches win a National Championship by year 3 or 4.

Bob Stoops - won a National Championship in year 2 (2000).

Jim Tressel - won a National Championship in year 2 (2002).

Pete Carroll - won a National Championship in year 3 (2003).

Nick Saban (LSU) - won a National Championship in year 3 (2003).

Urban Meyer (UF) - won a National Championship in year 2 (2006).

Les Miles - won a National Championship in year 3 (2007).

Nick Saban (Bama) - won a National Championship in year 3 (2009)

Jimbo Fisher (FSU) - won a National Champinoship in year 4 (2013).

By year 3, elite coaches build a national contender.

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Frank Chuck

August 18th, 2015 at 8:45 PM ^

I said 2 things.

- Elite coaches win a national championship by year 3 or 4. 

- At the minimum, an elite coach builds a national contender in that time frame.

It takes a few elite coaches longer to win a National Championship. For instance, Steve Spurrier didn't win a National Championship untl year 7 (1996) but he built a national contender by year 2 (1991).

2010 Stanford finished 12-1 and #4 in the final rankings after a dominant win over VTech in the Orange Bowl. The loss was on the road to Oregon - the national runner-up. So Harbaugh is definitely an elite coach.

 

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