Big 12/Pac 12 Meeting to Discuss Options
Various sources reporting. Merger or other options on the table.
24 Pac here we come!
Or Two-pac.
Two-Pac or B.I.G.2?
Soon (if the Big Ten gets involved) to be called "The B1G 30 PAC"?
It feels right, that's about how much I drink on a Michigan Football Saturday.
Also know as a case!
How about we just have one big conference of 120 schools and call it the NCAA?
Problem solved.
Didn't work the first time.
As long as the actual NCAA isn't the one in charge.
It's coming. It will be called the SEC.
The B1G Ten better be proactive and reach out to the PAC-12 and ACC schools they want, or they will be on the outside looking in. They need to drop the AAU requirement, and they could still get good academic schools. Beat the SEC to the punch and create a 24 team super conference, and expand their TV markets to the West coast, Denver and the Mid Atlantic East coast.
West
- USC
- Nebraska
- Oregon
- Washington
- Stanford
- Colorado
East
- UNC
- Duke
- Virginia
- Clemson
- Rutgers
- Maryland
North
- Penn St
- Michigan
- Michigan St
- Northwestern
- Wisconsin
- Minnesota
South
- Iowa
- Illinois
- Indiana
- ND
- Purdue
- Ohio St
Let's send Ohio State to the SEC.
This is cool. You could have a 4 team conference tournament too.
August 3rd, 2021 at 11:48 PM ^
Add Cincinnati to fuck with OSU.
The way it's going, B1G will have only the MAC to reach out to....
Doesn’t sound like sec/espn/saban want that so not going to happen
Kevin Warren is a wet noodle
I think he's more of a stick in the mud.
Very highly paid stick in the mud.
We have no idea what's going on behind the scenes, or of the thoughts of u presidents and ADs. But I get the temptation to paranoia, the worry about getting left behind.
Reading this title of this post definitely got me paranoid. Is the B1G going to get left out in the cold? But you’re right, we have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes. Patience grasshoppers.
You must be one of those who was calling for Warde to be fired. In any case, Warren has been in touch with Jim Phillips, ACC Commissioner. Jim was the AD at NW before joining ACC. Now you can relax.
Warren is the reason I would roll my eyes every time Brian would roll out his "people are just in charge of things because they are in charge of things" mantra in regards to Delaney. That guy knew his business. Big 10 teams makes more money than SEC teams right now despite being an inferior product on the field.
80% of that is because Delaney knew leverage for TV contracts. The only sore spot I give him is that whole Leaders and Legends crap, and him not getting Notre Dame in the conference somehow.
August 3rd, 2021 at 10:10 PM ^
Good. I think it's fine if the Big Ten stays as is. The only interesting possibility to me is playing a rose bowl match at the end of the season. Only USC really adds much value. I don't want Michigan to go play on the west coast multiple times a year. Our record in those is terrible.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but we should just follow what the EPL does. Top x amount of teams are Tier 1, next y amount are Tier 2. Relegation and promotion, etc. It's not like anyone other than a handful of teams will be NCAA champions anyway.
As a Michigan fan, I'd be careful on that relegation thing . . .
On the other hand, the Har-pologists would love this...
... when Michigan gets relegated to MAC level and then busts out an 11 win season.
An 11 win season, against lesser competition, doesn't sound half bad.
Lesser competition, isn't that basically Big Ten? Ohio State excluded.
Indiana has a Penix.
And an overblown image.
If you think getting rid of Harbaugh will magically equate to beating OSU mgoblue0970, then you can shovel bricks up your arse.
August 3rd, 2021 at 10:00 PM ^
Thank-you for proving my point exactly.
You keep sucking off Harbaugh there internet tough guy.
I had the same thought earlier on this as well. If revenue is all we're chasing today, combine the top 72 revenue producing athletic departments into a tier-I division of college athletics and create a conference alignment based to some degree on geography and historical relevance/rivalries etc.
Have a second tier of the remaining division I schools that have an opportunity to play their way into the first tier based on some kind of agreed upon revenue metric like 5 year rolling average for revenue production, etc.
it's better than what the current approach seems to be which is a game of duck-duck-goose where Washington ends up in the same conference as West Virginia.
If this were to happen, It may make a lot of sense for the Big Ten & ACC to not make any changes. Although ND will still need to find a home.
SEC - 16 teams
PAC - 20 teams
Big - 14 teams
ACC - 14 teams
Yes ESPN and the SEC will continue to lobby that they should have at least half the teams in the CFP, but that is not a surefire argument if the teams are balanced across four conferences this way.
What does make sense is for the new PAC to sign TV contracts with the same entities the Big Ten does since the SEC and ACC are aligned with ESPN.
Would be funny if this is the result because it would be harder for the SEC to get two teams in a four team playoff than it is now...
If the cfp goes to 12, at LEAST 8 teams will be sec/espn teams.
I feel that would strengthen any push to raid the Pac.... Big12 is nothing and would do little to improve the fortunes of the big players in the Pac
Exactly.
I'm going to start looking around for what insiders are saying about USC's reaction to this. I'm fully expecting to hear they are now committed to getting out of the PAC 12 .
Why would the PAC12 want to merge with the Big12?
Desperation and panic during an arms race? Lol
That's what doesn't make sense. The remaining Big 12 teams have almost no value. 33 of 38 games in 2019 for Fox or ABC (not the affiliates) were Texas & OU and 90% of their most viewed games. There is literally no market or tv interest for the remaining teams outside of the region.
The wise move would be to leave them in the lurch...and when they absolutely need a home, offer them a piece of the pie commiserate with their shrinking value.
The other move would be for the ACC to reach out. They have the worst TV deal and I'm sure there's a clause in there about renegotiating if they add a certain number of members.
Maybe a bunch of state universities have. . . interests in something other than football, profit maximization, and TV contracts? Dunno, just venturing a guess.
LMFAO....
oh...you're serious.
OK, well let's continue with the charade then as if these 2 conferences would be meeting about anything else other than strengthening their position for the next TV deal...in football.
You're missing my point. . . completely. It's all well and good for us as outsiders to note that the B12 has only modest TV or football value. But they ARE the B12, and of course they are going to not just work to survive, but continue as institutions of learning, etc. and representatives of populations that believe in them.
The Big12 is going to reach out to anyone they can...
Just not sure what they add to the Pac12 that moves the needle substantially to embark on this route.
They are only the Big 12 because of Texas and Oklahoma. Without them they are a bunch of schools no one really cares about, except for Kansas in basketball.
If what you're saying is what the BIG12 is after, then why are they raising such a fuss with ESPN about Oklahoma and Texas leaving?
Because they got absolutely hosed by espn/texas/ou. Only thing left is litigation
So then is it about the money.