Ballz coming in for Aaron Chiles

Submitted by jerseyblue on March 12th, 2023 at 10:35 AM

A bunch of recruits are visiting this weekend. One of which is 4* LB Aaron Chiles out of Maryland (#7 LB, #88 overall.) Steve Lorenz and Steve Wiltfong have put picks in for UM since last night.

MJ14

March 12th, 2023 at 10:54 AM ^

This has Partridge handy work all over it. Kudos to him. I’ve been hard on Michigan bringing him back but this dude looks like a player.

MJ14

March 12th, 2023 at 12:02 PM ^

One of the most successful in school history? Eh I wouldn’t even put him in my top 5. If he didn’t have a pre-existing relationship with Peppers and Gary I wouldn’t even put him in my top 10. I understand that he did in fact bring them in, but I don’t see something like that happening again. It was a smart play and hire at the time, and it certainly got Michigan two of the highest ranked recruits ever, but his relationship with them is the exact reason he was hired. He doesn’t have relationships like that with guys in high school anymore. I’m going to say the second time around he won’t be as good of a recruiter. Moore and Jay are both better recruiters and talent evaluators than Partridge. Chris brought in some highly rated guys, but I would argue Jay has brought in better talent that produced more. 

So where would you say Jay ranks all time? Let me ask you this. Where are Mattison and Hoke? 

Hail_Yes

March 12th, 2023 at 12:39 PM ^

I'm not going to get into a big debate about comparing recruiting resumes, but a quick 247 search shows that Partridge is easily on Jay's level, if not higher.  Jay is for sure better for player development, and has found some diamonds in the rough, but to deny Partridge's recruiting chops is insane.  Also it's not like we hired him as our DC, he's a position coach that adds high recruiting upside.  Below are links to Chris's recruits and Jay's.

 

https://247sports.com/Coach/Chris-Partridge-3716/AllTimeRecruits/

https://247sports.com/Coach/Jay-Harbaugh-3589/AllTimeRecruits/

JonnyHintz

March 12th, 2023 at 5:10 PM ^

Tell me you’re not insinuating that Michigan winning Big Ten Championships had anything to do with who the linebacker coach was… because uh… that’s what it sounds like you’re doing. 
 

Linebacker has been the biggest weakness on the defense the last two seasons as well, but for whatever reason you wanted to leave that part out. 

Champeen

March 13th, 2023 at 8:18 AM ^

I  agree LB has probably been the worst position coached.  So if we are replacing a non recruiter who also was a non coach with a coach who recruits very well and at minimum is just as good as a coach, i am all for that and everyone here should be too.

MJ14

March 12th, 2023 at 4:29 PM ^

Yeah this seems to be a theme, people pointing out the 247 link to Partridges recruiting list. The list is very wrong. Again Partridge is getting credit for Hill/Ruiz/Jones/Thomas just from the top 10 of his list. I’m not sure where this list comes from but I can tell you Moore was lead for 3 of 4 of those and all 3 will tell you personally that Moore was the biggest reason they came to Michigan. The other Partridge was not primary for either and I don’t believe he should get credit for them. It’s also fun that Mustapha is listed for both Jay and Partridge. Again that was a Jay/Moore tag team. You look at Jays list and it includes Edwards/Corum/Charbonnet/Asiasi/Loveland those are big time contributors to Big Ten Champions. 

Like I said, I’m not faulting you for linking to their profiles but I can tell you Partridge gets credit for dudes he barely had a hand in recruiting. He also does not get credit for Peppers and he’s 100% the biggest reason Michigan signed him. So I’ll give him that. But once you remove guys I listed that he wasn’t actually the primary for the list goes like this: Gary(All Big Ten), Solomon(overrated was so-so, transferred), Hinton(All Big Ten solid rotational player left a year too early, probably passed which is why he left), Vilain(never healthy), Singleton(transferred), Anthony(transferred), Walker(transferred), McGrone(not properly developed, again my worry with new recruits, left early was solid Big Ten guy), Sims(transferred), Morant(transferred), Oliver Martin(transferred), Perry(hasn’t seen the field), Josh Ross(underdeveloped, was coming to U of M no matter what), Anthony Solomon(transferred), James Hudson(transferred)

I’m going to stop right there. Because this is getting really long on a post that’s not about this. But let’s just put a quick list here out of that top group that Partridge did help recruit. I’m going to say 4 starters, 1 rotation guy, 9 transfers, one guy left who could contribute late. I’ll call it 4 starters, 1 rotation guy, 1 special teams guy, 9 transfers. Jay? Out of his list it goes 9 starters, 3 special teams, 3 rotation guys, 8 transfers. Charbonnet, Asiasi, Black, Wheatley Jr and Jackson all contributed something useful before leaving. A lot of those Partridge guys contributed very little. I’ll also argue that Haskins contributed as much as any top 100 guy Partridge brought in. I’d say Gary and Peppers are probably both equal to Haskins, but Haskins dominated against OSU and Peppers/Gary couldn’t beat them. 

This is my conclusion. Ross and McGrone are prime examples of my fear with Partridge. Neither were linebackers on Big  Ten winning teams and both were underdeveloped by their coach. Again, I’m probably one of the least unhappy guys about this situation and I understand he’s not a Co-DC here yet but there’s a lot of talk about it if other staff members move on in the next few years. That to me is a mistake and I do believe we could have hired someone who was as good a recruiter or better that could also develop better. Partridge has some guys with high rankings and not a lot to show for it. Again, Gary is a big one and so is Peppers. Both had previous relationships with him and were the primary reason he was hired. He no longer has ties like that to high school guys. The smarter play to me would have been to get another East coast catholic high school coach that has ties to big time recruits like Partridge back in the day. Again I urge you to look at that list and evaluate the talent yourself. On a re-rank most all of Harbaugh’s guys would go up in ranking. Partridges guys? Hinton would drop to a low 4 and Solomon would drop to middling 3 stars, along with quite a few of his other recruits. Just my take. 

MJ14

March 12th, 2023 at 8:25 PM ^

See this is what I assumed would happen. I never said Partridge isn’t a good coach. I said he’s basically a wash with Helow. Harbaugh pushed Helow out for Partridge. If you’re going to push a coach out I think you should be clearly upgrading. Partridge is a plus recruiter over Helow, just not as lofty as people make him out to be in my opinion. And he’s just solid as an on field coach. Overall Partridge is a good coach. I think Harbaugh could have found a better one if he was going to push a coach out. 

PhillipFulmersPants

March 12th, 2023 at 12:43 PM ^

Would be interesting to see a chart of players and primary/secondary recruiters over the last couple of decades. If we added in Partridge's Ole Miss recruits, I suspect he'd fair very well on the recruiting part. Don't know on the talent evaluator scale. Jay does have a pretty good track record there. 

 

michengin87

March 12th, 2023 at 4:35 PM ^

The defense, particularly the LBs and DBs, in the last 2 Big Ten championship seasons have largely been his recruits including:

  • Dax Hill (S)
  • Chris Hinton
  • Josh Ross (S)
  • RJ Moten
  • Brad Hawkins (S)
  • David Ojabo
  • DJ Turner
  • Brad Hawkins
  • Michael Barrett

Source:  https://247sports.com/Coach/Chris-Partridge-3716/AllTimeRecruits/

Many of the recruits above were under the radar guys that worked out very well.

And let's not forget that he was the primary for first round draft picks Cesar Ruiz and Devin Bush, as well as recruiter for Ambry Thomas and Cam McGrone who were each drafted and still in the NFL.

MJ14

March 12th, 2023 at 4:54 PM ^

Trying not to stay harping on this. Hill and Ruiz primary was Moore and they’ll tell you he closed the deal with them. Not Partridge. Ross was underdeveloped with Partridge. I’ll say this as nicely as possible. The list you just shared are definitely wins. 

  • Josh Ross (S)
  • RJ Moten
  • Brad Hawkins (S)
  • David Ojabo
  • DJ Turner
  • Brad Hawkins
  • Michael Barrett

And here’s how I finish my argument. All of them got much better after Chris left for Ole Miss. See what I mean? Ross was developed way better under Helow. Clink developed that secondary. Barrett was thought to be a solid special teams guy until who? That’s right Helow. Ojabo was developed after Partridge was gone. I’m not saying Partridge is a bad recruiter or coach. I’m saying that he’s not the guy you grab when you’re this close to a championship. Development matters. Ask OSU. Loads of 5 and 4 star defenders and their back 7 is very poor. Again, at least look at the facts these guys developed once Chris was gone. And his higher rated guys mostly didn’t pan out. Again I’m giving Moore credit for Hill and Ruiz. 

MJ14

March 12th, 2023 at 5:27 PM ^

I’ll let Chris know he has a devout follower. Sorry to hurt your feelings so much. Guys don’t get better as they get older. Guys get better with great coaching.  Age doesn’t make a difference. Loads of guys regress under poor coaching. Time in a scheme can make a difference with good coaching, but that’s not because of age. That’s because of familiarity with scheme and things slowing down. That comes with good coaching. Bad coaching has older players regress. So yeah, I’m going to solidly say you’re wrong. But like I said, I’ll let Chris know I’ve hurt your feelings over my honest opinion. He’ll be happy to know he has a devoted follower. 

JonnyHintz

March 12th, 2023 at 6:00 PM ^

Guys definitely get better as they get older. Sophomores are better than they were as freshmen. Juniors are better than they were as sophomores. They get stronger in the weight room, they get more experience. Those players didn’t improve because Helow took over and Chris left. They got better because they had more time in college to improve. Chris also has a strong track record of player development and players improving under his tutelage. 
 

If I’m a “devout follower” of Chris, that simply implies you’re a “devout hater.” He’s, at worst, a lateral hire in terms of on-field coaching compared to Helow but a significant upgrade in the recruiting department. Harbaugh thinks highly enough to tell Helow to take a hike and bring Chris back. Pretty sure that trumps any “honest opinion” you want to offer up. 

MJ14

March 12th, 2023 at 8:35 PM ^

This so laughable I’m not even going to post what I want to. So every player in college football has gotten better every single year for ever? And also every single NFL player gets better every single year? You’re posting some of the dumbest stuff I’ve ever seen posted here. And that’s saying something. Clearly I’ve upset you by saying I think Partridge was a mediocre hire. But this is seriously some really, really dumb stuff you’re posting. 

MJ14

March 12th, 2023 at 4:44 PM ^

You’ve got guys in Michigans past like Soup Campbell, Greg Mattison, Brady Hoke(as line coach and head coach elite recruiter), Fred Jackson(loads of elite guys), Les Miles, Bo himself, Sherrone Moore, Jay Harbaugh, Ron English, Lloyd Carr(as an assistant and early head coach, not later years), Jim Herrmann, Vance Bedford, Gattis even. Tyron Wheatley himself was a great recruiter, just not around long. Clinkscale and Elston have big resumes though they haven’t pulled as many big time guys at Michigan yet. Bellamy is definitely a big time recruiter too. Elston, Clink, and Bellamy in their short time have been handcuffed by Harbaugh flirting with the NFL. That makes it really hard to pull elite guys. I think that starts changing now. 

MJ14

March 12th, 2023 at 11:56 AM ^

I think there were better options. I’ve also expressed that I have a bad feeling that Minter will move on and they’ll make Chris a CO-DC with Clinkscale and Chris is not a MacDonald or Minter.

Also I think he’s a mediocre position coach and a lot of guys he recruited either transferred or didn’t live up to their billing. I do believe a portion of the reason the defense got better is him and Don leaving not just Don.

Also a lot of guys he got credit for recruiting that did pan out were actually guys Moore closed on not Partridge. Dax Hill was closed by Harbaugh and mostly Moore. Chris seems to get credit for him. 

I’ll quote myself from another thread here.

 So the question is would you rather have a lb ranked in the 100-200 range with decent coaching or a lb in the 350-500 range with good+ coaching? I guess it all depends. Also yeah Partridge needs to take a back seat to Jay on special teams.

Basically I was asking would you rather have a better on field coach who’s OK at recruiting or someone who is a better recruiter but not as good of an in game coach? Partridge is good recruiter, as evidenced by the crystal balls here. Again exactly what I thought would happen is. Partridge is going to bring in guys in the 100-200 range, like predicted here, but how well will he coach them? Michigan won the Big Ten without Partridge. Never with him. Like I said, I’ve been really hard on the hire. I think they went after someone they were comfortable with. But I’m willing to see it through and see what happens. I don’t think it was a bad hire, just a so-so one. So-so hires don’t take you to the next level. Michigan is right on the edge of being legit title contenders, I don’t think Partridge moves the needle any and if Minter goes they’ll feel the need to promote Clink and Partridge to CO-DCs and that’s a big step down from MacDonald and Minter. 

Vote_Crisler_1937

March 12th, 2023 at 2:19 PM ^

There is certainly a role for a Partridge on this staff. M could use another coach who is great at recruiting. They have coaches who can develop. Partridge as Co DC or even in game linebacker coach doesn’t thrill me but we aren’t there yet. Harbaugh was ok to let him leave for DC once he could do it again in favor of a minter type. 

MJ14

March 12th, 2023 at 5:02 PM ^

Partridge is definitely the linebacker coach in game and in practice. I think because I’m trying to get my point across people think I believe Partridge is trash. That’s not true I think he’s a solid coach and recruiter. Again, he’s definitely a better recruiter than Helow but not coach. I think Michigan could have found someone who could recruit as well while being better at developing. 

michengin87

March 12th, 2023 at 4:47 PM ^

My opinion is that he's just as good of a position coach as Helow and a better recruiter.  So, that's a step up from the current championship defense in my mind.  I don't see Minter leaving anytime soon, but if he does, then I would hope that Clink gets the nod based upon the last 2 years performance as well as his very strong recruiting.

MJ14

March 12th, 2023 at 8:33 PM ^

I’m fine with Partridge as the linebacker coach. He doesn’t move the needle for me though and yes I understand Michigan was leading for Chiles before but Partridge is closing the deal. Michigans been close a lot lately and then missed. Just look at last years linebacker class. Partridge is actually going to close the deal. I’m done with the topic. Like I mentioned earlier, I’ll let Chris know I upset everyone here and he has a massive fan base that’s got his back.