Magnus

September 27th, 2016 at 10:01 AM ^

a) It worked out okay for Cardale Jones, at least for a little while.

b) "Pro-style QB" is used loosely sometimes. Sometimes those guys can run, too. For example, Dylan McCaffrey is a pro-style QB, but he's also an adept runner and his brothers are running backs/receivers. You don't need to be an elite runner like Braxton Miller to run OSU's offense.

Tuebor

September 27th, 2016 at 10:36 AM ^

1)  Cardale Jones is a total bust and everyone knows it.  He isn't a "pro-style" qb he is a 6-5 250 pound Tebow esque QB.  Basically a TE body that can throw.

 

2) You don't need to be a braxton miller but the other examples besides Barrett (Jones and Tebow) are all 250 pound bruising runners. 

 

Who is an Urban Meyer QB that you could point to and say that is who I can emulate?  Chris Leak?  Alex Smith?  Those guys are going back 10+ years.  Meyer has evolved and pro-style qbs that aren't huge bodies don't fit.

 

Just my opinion but you could be a huge Michigan fan growing up but if you are a dual threat QB like Denard was I'd steer clear of UM if I wanted to play QB in college. 

Magnus

September 27th, 2016 at 10:45 AM ^

a) Cardale Jones won a national title. Maybe he's not an NFL starter, but Urban Meyer isn't an NFL coach. So I'd say he did okay with Jones.

b) Regardless of when it happened, Meyer ran his spread offense with Leak, Smith, Jones, and also recruited John Brantley to Florida. He also recruited Joe Burrow (another "pro-style" QB) to Ohio State. 

The point is this: Just because a non-affiliated website like 247 Sports deems someone a "pro-style QB" doesn't mean he is indeed that thing. If that were the case, Brandon Minor and Obi Ezeh would have been fullbacks, Rashan Gary would be playing DT, etc.

Tuebor

September 27th, 2016 at 11:16 AM ^

Danny Clark isn't a 250 pound guy with a huge arm though.  If he thought his playing style matched Cardale Jones he wouldn't be decommitting.

 

And Urban Meyer promptly resigned from the UF job after 1 season with John Brantley.  He also recruited Cam Newton and who knows how his resignation would have played out if Newton hadn't of transferred.

 

I'm not going off of a websites designation of a 'pro-style' qb.  Clark himself has said that his playing style doesn't match well with what OSU does offensively.  I'm just saying that if you knew that you were a "pro-style" qb that OSU isn't a great fit for playing time.  Maybe if he was a bigger fan he'd be fine running scout team for 4 years and wearing the jersey, being a part of the program.  There are plenty of kids like that I'm sure.  But if he wants to play then he should have probably never been looking at OSU in the first place.

Michology 101

September 27th, 2016 at 11:55 AM ^

Cardale had a hot three game streak that won OSU a National Championship. Though his play after that was really disliked by most OSU fans. He wasn't a great descision maker or runner. The QB running is a major part of OSU's offense.

It's just not the same potent offense when the QB isn't a good athletic and elusive runner. OSU fans use to complain quite often about how Cardale didn't fit their offense.

BeatIt

September 27th, 2016 at 12:32 PM ^

Forgot what won them a championshi.cardale ran over several bama players, he ran good enough to keep the D honest. Meyer just tried too hard to get braxton miller involved.braxton would lose yardage in the wildcat then they expected cardale to bail out the offense on 3rd & 12. Not to mention entitled attitudes and a lot of partying on last years team. It was also the first year without tom herman running the offense as well.

Tuebor

September 27th, 2016 at 1:24 PM ^

I think it has to do with contrasting running sytles.  Meyer was very successful with Tebow and he isn't an "elusive" runner.  He was a power runner.  But that same team had speedsters around to compliment him like Percy Harvin.  At OSU, Hyde and Elliot were the power runner and he used the QB (Miller and to an extent Barrett) as the speedster compliment.  Jones wasn't a speedster.

Tuebor

September 27th, 2016 at 12:09 PM ^

Kaep is an NFL QB, Denard is not.  There are plenty of kids who are dual threat college QBs but aren't NFL QBs.  Kids like that probably won't play QB for Harbaugh IMO. Denard Robinson, Julian Edelman, and Antwaan Randle El to name a few.

 

There are even rumors that Denard chose Michigan becasue Urban wanted him to play corner back at UF.  It is hard to believe that Harbaugh would look at Denard and see a QB.

osufancomesinpeace

September 27th, 2016 at 12:14 PM ^

I have some ties to people "in the know" who all tell me that the staff absolutely loves Simmons. One of my best sources told me that they feel he's the steal of the class. I would be VERY surprised if Simmons isn't in this class, and if he's not, it's more likely because you guys came in with a great late push, not him being pushed out.

detrocks

September 27th, 2016 at 3:57 PM ^

I haven't heard anything about us recruiting Simmons or him having any interest in us. Simmons's future seems to be at either LB or RB. We're full on the RB side, with the only guys being recruiting are swing for the fences guys like Najee Harris. On the LB side, we're in on a lot of guys and haven't heard his name among them.

Simmons would have been a nice addition to the class, but it never felt like the staff prioritized him the way that OSU did, so I can understand why he's going there. 

Jkidd49

September 27th, 2016 at 9:55 AM ^

a player they probably didnt need will get replaced by a "higher regarded" position player.  Sucks for the kid but it probably helps their class overall.