ESPN: The Absurdly Annoying

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OT: ESPN: The Absurdly Annoying

I’ve had it.

One of my simple daily rituals takes me in unfaltering anticipation to the ESPN front page. The ritual that it is, I’ve not missed its execution in eons, and I always get something of a jolt when there’s something genuinely shocking there (news of a big upset, ala Yang over Woods). I check the front pages for my respective sports every day at one time, and then discard all thoughts of ESPN.com from my mind until the next day rears its head or an MGoBlog topic/diary links me back to it briefly. But not today.

Today I had to do the unthinkably dangerous and superstitiously unhealthy thing and check the front page a second time. This time, it led me to an article with several enthused, costumed Mexican soccer fans on the “cover picture.” It looked like an interesting read, something out of the ESPN-controlled “norm” of sports that usually dominates every aspect of the site that excluding little informative niches the size of my pinky that sometimes “gladiator” their way to the front page for a millisecond.

So I read it. Big mistake. Here it is: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090817.

The article was a curiously ignorant shot at American fandom due to its apparent inferiority to Mexican fans’ passion, by ESPN’s “The Sports Guy.”

A few interesting points he made in his article:

He says, ‘I asked a hotel concierge if there was a good place to get coffee, followed by him pointing me toward a Starbucks to our left, then saying, "Whatever you do, don't go right."’

Somehow, this statement translated into OMG MEXICAN FANS ARE SO PASSIONATE THEY MIGHT JUMP ME IF I GO TO THE WRONG PART OF TOWN. Bullshit. The guy most likely told him where not to go because of how likely it is that he’d get kidnapped by drug traffickers, not because of Mexican fandom chasing him around town…

‘The Mexican fans had no problem drowning out "The Star-Spangled Banner" with jeers. They tossed drinks and debris at the U.S. bench for most of the second half ...’

Really? Disrespecting someone else’s national anthem makes them better fans than me or you? Really, Bill Simmons? Stay Classy.

Of course, he then brings up some examples of hostility from his hometown Celts. And uses poor examples of hostility at American sporting games to boot…

‘The U.S. was allotted about 500 seats for Sam's Army (a traveling band of American fans); they were crammed in the upper deck in one corner with armed police officers flanking both aisles.”

Personally, I’d be disgraced and shamed if this ever happened at the Big House. The fact they have to do this is an absolute stigma, and shouldn’t be a point of pride at all…

He says, “In basketball, think of the teams that play beautifully together (like Duncan's Spurs or Nash's pre-Shaq Suns) versus stagnant offenses that stand around watching their best player go one-on-four (like LeBron's Cavs)…” and notes that it’s harder to win games/championships the Cavs way.

HOWEVER, then he says this:  “Just like in basketball, you can't win championships in soccer without a LeBron/Kobe-type player.”

That’s a contradictory statement, and Bill Simmons should just shut up. ’04 Pistons? ’05 Spurs? ’08 Celtics? It’s just too easy. And there are more examples in the article, but you get the idea.

This attack on U.S. fandom is one-sided, unjustified, and unfair. This article is another example of how ESPN uses over-flowery words to exaggerate a debatably valid point (usually “devil’s-advocate” style) with an inappropriately named writing figure (“The Sports Guy,” whose knowledge of sports overall hasn’t seemed to qualify him for the title, at least in my opinion, with all due respect).

Look, I have plenty of respect for the sport of soccer; my mom’s family lives in Germany and I was born there, I’ve seen plenty of it, and it’s a fun sport, with beautiful plays, lots of technique, lots of nuances that can take a fan sometimes years to truly understand. But American mainstream sports are not by any means inferior in any of those regards, and especially not in the “passion and quality of fan bases” regard. “The Sports Guy” and ESPN, in this article, reflect an overlying problem and perception in modern sports that being unsportsmanlike or in some cases downright moronic at a game make you a more passionate fan than the man who sits at a stadium two thousand miles away and throws nothing at the players or opposing fans, but still unleashes endless amounts of energy pulling for his team on a Saturday night.

I’m sorry, but if you think that because Fan A can throw a bag of piss at me during a game and that opposing fans who visit his stadium have to be flanked by police officers, you are NOT a better fan than me, or anyone who pulls for a quality team in the USA. You’re an idiot, and a dangerous one to boot. Passion to me is the 95,000 people in Death Valley on a Saturday night, not 100,000 people willing to throw beer at you and their piss at you and call it acceptable. Disgusting.

Comments

BlueVoix

August 18th, 2009 at 12:46 PM ^

Case in point why I don't watch or go near ESPN. It's all sensationalist bullshit that appeals to the braindead that think they now can spout off to their friends as if they actually "know" sports. These idiots perpetuate myths like Food Network perpetuates Rachel ray's fat ass. I bet carty would fit right in there.

BlockM

August 18th, 2009 at 12:51 PM ^

But you read it, linked it, and more people are going to read it because of that. For the record, based on your description and quotes, it was a terrible article.

Farnn

August 18th, 2009 at 12:53 PM ^

I've actually stopped going to sites when someone links an article that seems critical just to draw page views. When want to show an article of that type to people here I try to copy/paste all the relevant parts so readers don't have any reason to give them page hits.

Farnn

August 18th, 2009 at 12:51 PM ^

I find I go to ESPN less and less these days. The only teams I care about, I get better information on from blogs. I get more detailed info and basically just the info I want. I can easily see ESPN fading away as more people go to team based sites instead of generalized sports sites.

teldar

August 18th, 2009 at 4:11 PM ^

I was reading some comments on espn and one person wrote that they don't read blogs. implying that they aren't worth his time. But yet he reads serial stories and comment on other peoples' comments.... I found that somewhat ironic. I'd have to agree that blogs are much better at getting out information aimed at a particular group that a hegemony such as espn could ever be.

douggoblue

August 18th, 2009 at 12:51 PM ^

I don't know how you interpreted the "mustn't go right" anecdote as anything other than the "That is the shady side of town, go and perish" way that I took it. But, maybe that's from personal experiences of cabbies and bell boys telling me the exact same thing. That being said, I thought the article was for the most part crap and I do agree that I wouldn't consider fans that behave like these Mexican soccer supports more passionate than respectful fans.

EZMIKEP

August 18th, 2009 at 12:52 PM ^

I think ESPN knows they really are the only game in town & because of that they let bad/irresponsible/overly biased sportswriters continue to publish trash day in and day out. Its like the TMZ of sports. It gets under my skin too. Bad. So I feel your frustration whole heartedly.

mad magician

August 18th, 2009 at 12:59 PM ^

I thought it was good article. With all the things worth hating about ESPN, not sure why you'd pick on Bill Simmons. I think the intention of the article was a.) to document the event of the US playing in Azteca and b.) not to disparage American fans, as you say, but to illustrate to the all-encompassing passion Mexicans, and fans in other countries, have for this one sport. Simmons is not praising the Mexican crowd for their behavior towards Uncle Sam's Army. He's merely telling the reader how it was. Nowhere does Simmons condone their conduct. And while it's true, the Pistons didn't have one dominating player, they were the exception, not the rule. The Spurs had Duncan, the Celtics Garnett and Pierce. Those are MVP type, all-world players. Steven Gerrard is that kind of player for Liverpool, and Simmons correctly points out that the US lacks such a player, though he hopes Jozy Altidore can become just that. In other words, I think you're wildly misinterpreting the article as some kind of anti-American sports fan diatribe. Again, Simmons sets out to describe a truly unique sporting event. He never says Mexican football crowds are better than American sports crowds, he just says they're more passionate, that they care more. And you know what? He's right. They do. Have fun at your town meeting

BlueVoix

August 18th, 2009 at 1:25 PM ^

I think you're giving him a bit too much slack when it comes to the idea of passion. No, simmons does not outright say more passion = better fans, but how often does that connection not hold up in sports? He does simply state that Mexican fans threw debris at the US bench. But this is, once again, a part of their passion, which somehow makes American soccer fans worse overall fans. I don't really want Sam's army ever behaving like some of the Mexican fans I've seen, but maybe I'm just not as passionate as Mexicans are.

mad magician

August 18th, 2009 at 1:31 PM ^

we're better or worse. He never advocates the Mexican fan's behavior. He doesn't say Uncle Sam's Army should emulate their conduct, nor is that ever implied. He simply observes that there is nothing in American sports which compares to the passion Mexico, as a nation, has for their soccer team. And that's true

BlueVoix

August 18th, 2009 at 4:08 PM ^

Actually, the more I read this, the more inclined I am to disagree with Simmons. The word that keeps coming up is passion. Fine, let's use passion. But then let's stop there, because we're comparing apples and oranges otherwise. Mexicans are rabid about their national team, especially when it involves the US national team. Things aren't quite as nuts when Mexico is playing honduras. But Americans are rabid about specifc sporting events more so than an entire sport. Reason? Think about how many sports we have to divide and draw us in. In Mexico, college sports, basketball, hockey, and football don't have the rooted capability of picking off fans from the dominant futbol. And the Mexican baseball leagues are a joke. Soccer is number one in mexico and their is no competition from any other sport. Things are much different north of the border. The comparison, if that was the intention, is silly.

mad magician

August 18th, 2009 at 4:52 PM ^

"Soccer is number one in mexico and their is no competition from any other sport. Things are much different north of the border. The comparison, if that was the intention, is silly." I think you're actually agreeing with Simmons here. He's not arguing that Mexicans love sports more than we do, he's saying they are more invested in their national soccer team than we, as a nation, are with any one team. And one of the reasons for that is we have a lot more to choose from., as you say. Simmons touches on that, too. Also, 'passion' is indeed an important word in this discussion. We should note that it's not an entirely positive word in the context of sports fandom (or fanaticism). It also can connote mania or obsession. So, yes, the Mexicans are passionate, but they're also rabid, hateful, and disrespectful. That's conveyed in the article-- when Simmons observes the riot police, the shit being thrown at our players. I don't think this is an article where the Mexican fans are portrayed favorably. Simmons reaction is more along the lines of "Can you believe this?"

MrVociferous

August 18th, 2009 at 7:32 PM ^

"Mexicans are rabid about their national team" This is the whole point of the column. And its not apple and oranges -- its all about fandom. Fan is short for fanatic, and the Mexican fans are far more fanatical about their team than anything in the US. And for the record, this was one of my favorite recent Simmons columns. I thought it gave a great look into the soccer culture and fandom in other countries. It was written well enough that I could picture what it might have been like at the game -- and to me, that's a hallmark of a well written article like this. Write an account of what you saw so that I can picture myself in your shoes. Y'all need to get off your soapboxes and chill the fuck out about some of this stuff.

BlueVoix

August 18th, 2009 at 7:41 PM ^

Great, this article was wonderful for you and you would like to polish Simmons' balls in your mouth. Ya know, people can have different opinions about things. I don't have to agree with you. And in my opinion, the article points out that mexicans are rabid to the point of insanity about their MNT, but the reason behind this is more complex than can be outlined in an ESPN article.

mad magician

August 18th, 2009 at 1:38 PM ^

to form your own judgment based on Simmons' first-hand account. In this respect Simmons has served his readers well. You are free to disapprove the conduct of the Mexican fans given the depiction of Simmons' experience at Azteca, and I agree, I would never want our crowds to behave like they do. But the intent of the article is not to persuade, or argue, or present a case, it's to describe the event.

BlueVoix

August 18th, 2009 at 2:34 PM ^

I can agree that it is a descriptive article, but I guess my larger point has less to do with simmons' article and more to do with how the media portrays Mexican soccer fans/ignores some of the negatives. If it was meant as satire, well, that's what I get for not reading the article.

BlueBulls

August 18th, 2009 at 2:07 PM ^

I was gonna post about the championship teams, but you beat me to it. I wanted to also point out about how they must play together. It isn't contradictory to say that you need to play as a team and you need a great player. I think that MaizeNBlue made my point for me when he was pointed out the 07 Spurs and 08 Celtics. They both have transcendent players, but were able to play as a team. MJ scored over 35 ppg in multiple seasons, but John Paxson later noted that a team can't win a championship when one guy is scoring that much. Teams need great players to play within the team, and to only use their ability in certain moments like to close out an NBA game, or Jozy's goal against Spain.

mad magician

August 18th, 2009 at 2:18 PM ^

Not saying that Simmons did this exactly, but it'd be misguided to place Gerrard-type expectations on young Jozy. While I think Altidore has a chance to become a world-class striker, the player we need is a ball-possessing midfielder, someone to set a clean, quick pace and give the US attack some creativity. That's what Gerrard does for Liverpool, what Ronaldo did for Man U. Jozy I see as more an Henry or Drogba style of forward (and it would be fantastic if he reached that level, though I suspect he'll be just a smidgen under it), a finisher rather than initiator.

BlueBulls

August 18th, 2009 at 2:30 PM ^

Yeah, I'm not putting those expectations on him, and I agree with your evaluation that he fits in more as a fast and strong attacker that does his best work on the run or in the box. I think that Simmons was saying that he is the only one on the team with the type of physical gifts and athleticism that would allow him to be a player of that caliber.

tokarz76

August 18th, 2009 at 1:03 PM ^

I do my best to boycott the self-proclaimed world wide leader. I watch live sports plus college gameday and the occassional PTI or around the horn. other than that it pretty much serves no purpose to me. They used to report news, now they're more interested in making news which is not the point of true journalism in my opinion.

mad magician

August 18th, 2009 at 1:11 PM ^

But the Simmons article referred to is a feature about an American writer's recent trip to see the US national team play in Mexico City. It is a first person account of a truly unique sporting event, and I think it's a worthy subject for Simmons, who is a writer, not a reporter, to cover.

matty blue

August 18th, 2009 at 1:18 PM ^

i guess i read it more as a "man, these people love this team" thing more than any kind of anti-american thing. i actually liked his game description (which, i would mention is much, much longer than the parts you dismiss), as well - for a non-rabid soccer fan such as myself (and simmons), it was a nice way to quantify the action.

mad magician

August 18th, 2009 at 1:25 PM ^

"Somehow, this statement translated into OMG MEXICAN FANS ARE SO PASSIONATE THEY MIGHT JUMP ME IF I GO TO THE WRONG PART OF TOWN. Bullshit. The guy most likely told him where not to go because of how likely it is that he’d get kidnapped by drug traffickers, not because of Mexican fandom chasing him around town…" Yeah, that's your interpretation and it's wrong. Funny part is you get it right in the end and don't even realize it.

BlueBulls

August 18th, 2009 at 1:54 PM ^

ESPN gets a lot of crap around here, and most of it is justified. This, however is a different story. Pat Forde is annoying because he's supposed to be a reporter and ends up making crazy statements without backing them up with facts. Bill Simmons is a columnist, he is paid to make observations and write about his opinions. This article is a perfect representation of that. The biggest difference is that Forde's job is usually to present facts, and even if his column is about opinion he routinely presents it as fact. Bill Simmons has never tried to be, or presented himself as, anything other than a normal guy. He wears his fanhood (fanness?) right out for you to see it. He states his opinions, nothing more. I can understand how you wouldn't want the Big House to be like that. I have a hard time determining where I want the opposing fans on the spectrum of OSU fear to ND polite when they visit AA. I think that you misunderstood the point of this article. The point isn't that the Mexicans are BETTER fans, rather that they care more. He shows their behavior as an example of that. You just have to read the last line of the article, "I remember thinking to myself, "Nobody in America will ever care about a sport that much." And we won't." A diehard sports fan who just witnessed an incomprehensible sporting event, he is entitled to his opinion, just as you are entitled to disagree. Disagreeing with his conclusion is ok, but I would hold back on spitting fire for now.

MaizeNBlue

August 18th, 2009 at 2:45 PM ^

You're right, it just pissed me off when I first read it because it came across as flowery and exaggerated, and something he wouldn't have written if he had an extra week or two to think about it. I don't know, maybe I did mis-interpret. That would be my bad, then. But I did have a few good points, I think :)

blueloosh

August 18th, 2009 at 2:04 PM ^

I recommend everyone read the Simmons article referenced. It's excellent. With all due respect to the original poster, I think you misunderstood the point of the article. If anything it was an extended (and comical) piece of slander toward the Mexican fans and stadium environment. He portrays it as a circus of classless animals. To not be egregiously politically incorrect Simmons frames this in the larger point of -- "wow, these people care about their sports." It's not a dig at American sports fans. It's the guise he uses to portray the idiocy and venom of the Mexican fans with some level of respect and politeness.

MaizeNBlue

August 18th, 2009 at 2:42 PM ^

It's just that he makes it seem like we've got no passion at all, which is pretty annoying. And some of his metaphors with basketball were terrible. Couldn't stand the fact that he justified ambushing opposing fans by saying "it's passion," though I do understand that Mexico cares a ton about soccer, and that's cool, it's good they have something to be so passionate about. But he kind of just brushes off all of the classless aspects, which bothered me.

BlueBulls

August 18th, 2009 at 2:55 PM ^

Again, you're confusing his message. He never said that we have no passion, he said multiple times that we do, only that they have more. I like to think that I have an almost unhealthy passion with sports, but have I ever lost my mind to the point that I'm throwing urine at strangers? No. Maybe it's because that's not my style (I prefer a combination of tabasco sauce, ranch dressing, and human hair) or because that just isn't tolerated around here, but maybe I am capable of that and would do it if my love for a team was as great as the Mexicans'. You said that he "just brushes off all of the classless aspects," I would say that they are front and center. What you might be upset about is that he doesn't judge those actions, only uses them as support for them having more passion. Not being better fans. You bringing up his analogies is unrelated and makes me wonder if you just don't like Bill Simmons (which is ok).

SanDiegoWolverine

August 18th, 2009 at 5:18 PM ^

I really think if you are going to spend 20 minutes on an opinion piece you can just post it on the boards. Doesn't deserve a diary. Also, as someone who spent several years living in Latin America and can say that there's a reason we can't match their devotion to one sport; economics. In many developing countries the middle class and poor live in die by soccer. hundreds of fans will spend a day or two begging for money just to have enough for the cheap seats. Although their passion oven manifests itself in violence or idiocy we could definitely use more sports passion in the country, especially for professional sports.

bronxblue

August 18th, 2009 at 2:55 PM ^

Simmons' article was pretty good - certainly better than the usual self-serving articles he falls back on to fill space. I think the OP is a little oversensitive with his complaints, and kind of misses the whole point of the article - that for soccer to matter in this country like it does everywhere else, some of our best athletes have to play it AND the fans need to care more than once every 2-3 years.

The King of Belch

August 18th, 2009 at 7:27 PM ^

American fans shoot and kill one of our players for making a mistake is the day I'll know we have the necessary passion for sports.

MaizeNBlue

August 19th, 2009 at 1:17 AM ^

After reading the response thread to this, maybe I did misinterpret the point Simmons was trying to make. I'm sort of half-wrong, although the points not related to the game that I made were probably decent.

WreckingCrew

August 19th, 2009 at 11:15 AM ^

You obviously missed the point of this article. It is not claiming that Mexicans are better fans than Americans. Simmons claims that soccer, the true national pass-time of Mexico, is more important to its citizens than any sport is to American citizens. By referencing his concierge's advice, he was illustrating his proximity to a bad neighborhood; a common backdrop in Mexico. And clearly not every fan came equipped with a bag of urine to chuck, but the fact that some did shows that certain fans are willing to do anything and everything to will their team to victory/psych out their opponent. This is not at all an attack on US fandom. I think it is worth admiring, in this situation, the way that sports can act as such a pillar of national pride. Mexico is not in great shape right now, considering all of the problems they are having with drugs and diseases and the like. It is amazing the way all of these problems can be thrown out the window for 90 minutes while the Mexican soccer team topples the pristine, American giants. OF COURSE this game matters more to them than it does to us. I don't doubt that you believe your enthusiasm is unmatched when Michigan takes the field, but I can assure you that until our national pride is at stake, we can't understand their level of devotion. So please, get the chip off your shoulder and enjoy this. These are the reasons to love sports the most.

hailtothevictors08

August 19th, 2009 at 2:06 PM ^

but simmons does not ... he is a fan and acts like it, id love his job and we could all read about umich, the wings, and the cubs the way we deal with the sox, pats, and celts ... and hes right, if mexico had lost that game it would have been a horrible moment for its ppl, whereas say we lost to spain in gold medal game last yr .... we piss and moan for a week and move on ... how many of you even got up early enough to watch the gold medal game?