Big Ten Recruiting Class Rankings 1-30-11
New Michigan commit(s), and this bad boy hits the front page. There's been tooooons of action since last rankings:
1-23-11 Michigan State gains commitment from Brandon Clemons. Illinois gains commitment from Darrius Caldwell.
1-24-11 Nebraska loses commitment from Aaryn Bouzos. Northwestern gains commitments from Andrew Smith and Deonte Gibson. Minnesota gains commitment from Wedley Estime.
1-25-11 Michigan gains commitment from Antonio Poole. Michigan gains commitment from Russell Bellomy, Purdue loses commitment from Russell Bellomy. Purdue gains commitment from Raheem Mostert.
1-26-11 Illinois gains commitment from Valdon Cooper. Indiana loses commitment from Donte Phillips.
1-27-11 Illinois gains commitment from Willie Beavers.
1-28-11 Michigan gains commitment from Chris Bryant. Ohio State gains commitment from Bryce Haynes. Nebraska gains commitment from Joseph Carter.
1-30-11 Nebraska gains commitment from Mauro Bondi.
Big Ten+ Recruiting Class Rankings | |||||
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Rank | School | # Commits | Rivals Avg | Scout Avg | ESPN Avg |
1 | Ohio State | 22 | 5.73 | 3.68 | 78.91 |
2 | Notre Dame | 23 | 5.73 | 3.57 | 78.96 |
3 | Nebraska | 17 | 5.71 | 3.39 | 78.44** |
4 | Michigan State | 20 | 5.64 | 3.20 | 76.80 |
5 | Iowa | 20 | 5.62 | 3.05 | 76.79* |
6 | Wisconsin | 20 | 5.60 | 2.95 | 73.75 |
7 | Michigan | 17 | 5.62 | 3.29 | 77.53 |
8 | Penn State | 15 | 5.63 | 3.27 | 76.53 |
9 | Illinois | 29 | 5.51 | 2.62 | 73.28 |
10 | Northwestern | 17 | 5.54 | 2.88 | 76.59 |
11 | Minnesota | 22 | 5.54 | 2.41 | 75.06**** |
12 | Indiana | 15 | 5.55 | 2.87 | 75.20 |
13 | Purdue | 14 | 5.51 | 2.64 | 71.38** |
Rivals rankings are on the "RR" scale, which is on a scale from about 5 to about 6.1. Unrated prospects are given a 5.1 rating, on par with the worst of any Big Ten commit last year. Scout is on the 5-star system (unranked players earn 1 star), and ESPN uses grades out of 100 (unranked is 40 or 45, except JuCo players, who aren't included in the average).
#1 Ohio State - 22 Commits | |||||
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Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | ESPN |
Braxton Miller | QB | OH | 6.0 | 5 | 81 |
Doran Grant | CB | OH | 6.0 | 4 | 81 |
Michael Bennett | DT | OH | 6.0 | 4 | 80 |
Kenny Hayes | DE | OH | 5.9 | 4 | 79 |
Steve Miller | DE | OH | 5.8 | 5 | 82 |
Ryan Shazier | LB | FL | 5.8 | 4 | 81 |
Nick Vannett | TE | OH | 5.8 | 4 | 80 |
Chase Farris | DE | OH | 5.8 | 4 | 79 |
Brian Bobek | OL | IL | 5.8 | 4 | 79 |
Evan Spencer | WR | IL | 5.7 | 4 | 81 |
Ron Tanner | S | OH | 5.7 | 4 | 78 |
Devin Smith | WR | OH | 5.7 | 4 | 78 |
DerJuan Gambrell | CB | OH | 5.7 | 4 | 77 |
Jeremy Cash | S | FL | 5.7 | 3 | 80 |
Jeff Heuerman | TE | FL | 5.7 | 3 | 80 |
Joel Hale | DT | IN | 5.7 | 3 | 79 |
Chris Carter | OL | OH | 5.7 | 3 | 78 |
Conner Crowell | LB | MD | 5.7 | 3 | 78 |
Tommy Brown | OL | OH | 5.6 | 3 | 78 |
Antonio Underwood | OL | OH | 5.6 | 3 | 75 |
Ejuan Price | LB | PA | 5.5 | 4 | 79 |
Bryce Haynes | LS | GA | 5.2 | 2 | 73 |
Long-snapper Bryce Haynes commits to the Buckeyes, and though he brings down their averages quite a bit, it's unfair to knock the Buckeyes below Notre Dame for adding another piece to their class.
#2 Notre Dame - 23 Commits | |||||
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Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | ESPN |
Ishaq Williams | DE | NY | 6.1 | 5 | 82 |
Stephon Tuitt | DE | GA | 6.1 | 5 | 81 |
Aaron Lynch | DE | FL | 6.0 | 5 | 84 |
Ben Koyack | TE | PA | 5.9 | 5 | 81 |
Matt Hegarty | OL | NM | 5.9 | 4 | 82 |
DaVaris Daniels | WR | IL | 5.8 | 4 | 81 |
Eilar Hardy | S | OH | 5.8 | 4 | 79 |
George Atkinson III | S | CA | 5.8 | 3 | 79 |
Ben Councell | DE | NC | 5.8 | 3 | 79 |
Everett Golson | QB | NC | 5.7 | 4 | 80 |
Jarrett Grace | LB | OH | 5.7 | 4 | 78 |
Anthony Rabasa | DE | FL | 5.7 | 3 | 80 |
Tony Springmann | OL | IN | 5.7 | 3 | 78 |
Josh Atkinson | CB | CA | 5.7 | 3 | 78 |
Chase Hounshell | OL | FL | 5.7 | 3 | 76 |
Nick Martin | OL | IN | 5.6 | 3 | 78 |
Brad Carrico | OL | OH | 5.6 | 3 | 77 |
Cam McDaniel | RB | TX | 5.6 | 3 | 77 |
Conor Hanratty | OL | CT | 5.6 | 3 | 76 |
Bennett Okotcha | CB | TX | 5.6 | 3 | 76 |
Jalen Brown | CB | TX | 5.5 | 3 | 78 |
Matthias Farley | CB | NC | 5.5 | 3 | 77 |
Kyle Brindza | K | MI | 5.4 | 3 | 79 |
No changes to the Notre Dame class. It's a very solid one, however.
#3 Nebraska - 17 Commits | |||||
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Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | ESPN |
Aaron Green | RB | FL | 5.9 | 5 | 85 |
Tyler Moore | OL | FL | 5.9 | 4 | 78 |
Charles Jackson | CB | TX | 5.8 | 4 | 81 |
Bubba Starling | QB | KS | 5.8 | 4 | 81 |
Jamal Turner | QB | TX | 5.8 | 4 | 81 |
Ryne Reeves | OL | NE | 5.8 | 4 | 79 |
Ryan Klachko | OL | IL | 5.8 | 4 | 78 |
Daimion Stafford | S | CA | 5.8 | 4 | JC |
David Santos | LB | TX | 5.8 | 3 | 79 |
Zach Sterup | OL | NE | 5.8 | 3 | 78 |
Kevin Williams | DT | OH | 5.7 | 3 | 79 |
Ameer Abdullah | RB | OH | 5.7 | 3 | 74 |
Joseph Carter | DE | CA | 5.7 | 3 | JC |
Max Pirman | LB | OH | 5.6 | 3 | 78 |
Daniel Davie | S | NE | 5.5 | 3 | 75 |
Givens Price | OL | TX | 5.5 | 3 | 75 |
Taariq Allen | WR | TX | 5.5 | 2 | 75 |
Mauro Bondi | K | FL | 5.4 | 2 | 79 |
Aaryn Bouzos drops the Huskers for Air Force. Nebraska responds by snagging defensive end Joseph Carter and kicker Mauro Bondi (the latter of whom ESPN gives a ludicrous 79 rating).
#4 Michigan State - 20 Commits | |||||
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Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | ESPN |
Lawrence Thomas | LB | MI | 5.9 | 5 | 80 |
Brandon Clemons | OL | PA | 5.8 | 3 | 76 |
Donavon Clark | OL | OH | 5.7 | 4 | 78 |
Darien Harris | LB | MD | 5.7 | 3 | 79 |
Juwan Caesar | WR | FL | 5.7 | 3 | 79 |
Taiwan Jones | LB | MI | 5.7 | 3 | 78 |
Roger Williamson | CB | OH | 5.7 | 3 | 78 |
AJ Sims | CB | GA | 5.7 | 3 | 78 |
Ed Davis | LB | MI | 5.7 | 3 | 77 |
Arjen Colquhoun | S | ON | 5.7 | 3 | 76 |
Connor Cook | QB | OH | 5.7 | 2 | 76 |
Onaje Miller | RB | MI | 5.6 | 4 | 78 |
Joel Heath | DE | OH | 5.6 | 4 | 76 |
Jack Allen | OL | IL | 5.6 | 3 | 78 |
Nick Ramondo | DT | GA | 5.6 | 3 | 77 |
Shilique Calhoun | DE | NJ | 5.5 | 3 | 77 |
Mark Scarpinato | DT | WI | 5.5 | 3 | 76 |
Damon Knox | DE | MI | 5.5 | 3 | 76 |
Trae Waynes | CB | WI | 5.4 | 3 | 75 |
Paul Lang | TE | PA | 5.4 | 3 | 68 |
Michigan State picks up a highly-rated offensive lineman in Brandon Clemons. I think their class could jump Nebraska's with another talented commit.
#5 Iowa - 20 Commits | |||||
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Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | ESPN |
Jordan Walsh | OL | IL | 5.8 | 4 | 79 |
Rodney Coe | RB | IL | 5.8 | 4 | 79 |
Austin Blythe | OL | IA | 5.8 | 3 | 79 |
Ray Hamilton | TE | OH | 5.8 | 3 | 79 |
Quinton Alston | LB | PA | 5.7 | 3 | 79 |
John Raymon | DE | PA | 5.7 | 3 | 78 |
Mika'il McCall | RB | IL | 5.7 | 3 | 77 |
Dan Heiar | OL | IA | 5.7 | 2 | JC |
Torrey Campbell | RB | FL | 5.6 | 3 | 78 |
Jake Rudock | QB | FL | 5.6 | 3 | 78 |
Riley McMinn | DE | IL | 5.6 | 3 | 77 |
Marcus Grant | WR | MA | 5.6 | 3 | 76 |
Nick Law | CB | MD | 5.5 | 4 | 77 |
Melvin Spears | LB | TX | 5.5 | 3 | 79 |
Henry Krieger-Coble | TE | IA | 5.5 | 3 | 78 |
Jacob Hillyer | WR | TX | 5.5 | 3 | 76 |
Cole Fisher | LB | NE | 5.5 | 3 | 74 |
Jake Duzey | TE | MI | 5.5 | 3 | 73 |
Mike Orloff | LB | MA | 5.5 | 2 | 70 |
Austin Vincent | WR | TX | 5.4 | 3 | 73 |
No changes for Iowa.
#6 Wisconsin - 20 Commits | |||||
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Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | ESPN |
Jake Keefer | LB | WI | 5.8 | 4 | 78 |
Melvin Gordon | RB | WI | 5.8 | 3 | 79 |
Austin Traylor | DE | OH | 5.8 | 3 | 78 |
Sam Arneson | TE | WI | 5.7 | 3 | 78 |
Jesse Hayes | DE | OH | 5.7 | 3 | 78 |
James Adeyanju | DE | IL | 5.7 | 3 | 77 |
AJ Jordan | WR | OH | 5.6 | 3 | 79 |
Mike Caputo | LB | PA | 5.6 | 3 | 77 |
Derek Watt | LB | WI | 5.6 | 3 | 77 |
Eric Steffes | TE | WI | 5.6 | 3 | 77 |
Austin Maly | TE | WI | 5.6 | 3 | 76 |
Terrance Floyd | CB | FL | 5.6 | 2 | 77 |
Devin Gaulden | CB | FL | 5.5 | 3 | 78 |
Ray Ball | OL | OH | 5.5 | 3 | 77 |
Jordan Frederick | LB | WI | 5.5 | 3 | 75 |
Darius Hillary | CB | OH | 5.5 | 3 | 75 |
Derek Landisch | LB | WI | 5.5 | 3 | 74 |
Frederick Willis | WR | WI | 5.5 | 3 | NR |
Tyler Marz | OL | MN | 5.5 | 2 | NR |
Kenzel Doe | WR | NC | 5.4 | 3 | 75 |
The Badgers are still waiting on ESPN to rate Frederick Willis and Tyler Marz.
#7 Michigan - 17 Commits | |||||
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Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | ESPN |
Justice Hayes | RB | MI | 5.9 | 4 | 79 |
Blake Countess | CB | MD | 5.8 | 4 | 80 |
Brennen Beyer | DE | MI | 5.8 | 4 | 79 |
Raymon Taylor | CB | MI | 5.8 | 3 | 77 |
Chris Bryant | OL | IL | 5.8 | 3 | 77 |
Kellen Jones | LB | TX | 5.7 | 4 | 79 |
Antonio Poole | LB | OH | 5.7 | 4 | 78 |
Delonte Hollowell | CB | MI | 5.7 | 3 | 79 |
Chris Rock | DE | OH | 5.6 | 3 | 78 |
Jack Miller | OL | OH | 5.5 | 3 | 78 |
Tony Posada | OL | FL | 5.5 | 3 | 78 |
Desmond Morgan | LB | MI | 5.5 | 3 | 78 |
Russell Bellomy | QB | TX | 5.5 | 3 | 78 |
Greg Brown | CB | OH | 5.5 | 3 | 77 |
Keith Heitzman | DE | OH | 5.5 | 3 | 75 |
Tamani Carter | CB | OH | 5.5 | 3 | 74 |
Matt Wile | K | CA | 5.3 | NR | 73 |
The Wolverines pick up commitments from Russell Bellomy, Antonio Poole, and the long-awaited Chris Bryant. With very similar averages to Penn State, they're pushed ahead of the Nittany Lions on the basis of having more commits.
#8 Penn State - 15 Commits | |||||
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Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | ESPN |
Anthony Zettel | DE | MI | 5.9 | 4 | 80 |
Bill Belton | WR | PA | 5.8 | 4 | 80 |
Donovan Smith | OL | MD | 5.8 | 4 | 79 |
Shawn Oakman | DE | PA | 5.8 | 4 | 77 |
Deion Barnes | DE | PA | 5.8 | 3 | 78 |
Angelo Mangiro | OL | NJ | 5.7 | 4 | 81 |
Ben Kline | LB | PA | 5.7 | 3 | 78 |
Ryan Nowicki | OL | AZ | 5.7 | 3 | 77 |
Shyquan Pullium | WR | PA | 5.6 | 3 | 74 |
Anthony Alosi | OL | NJ | 5.6 | 2 | 70 |
Jordan Kerner | DE | PA | 5.5 | 3 | 77 |
Allen Robinson | WR | MI | 5.5 | 3 | 72 |
Kyle Carter | TE | DE | 5.4 | 3 | 76 |
Matt Zanellato | WR | VA | 5.3 | 4 | 76 |
Sam Ficken | K | PA | 5.3 | 2 | 73 |
No change for the Nittany Lions. As mentioned above, they're passed by Michigan in this week's rankings.
#9 Illinois - 29 Commits | |||||
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Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | ESPN |
Dondi Kirby | S | PA | 5.8 | 3 | 79 |
Clint Tucker | DT | IL | 5.7 | 3 | 79 |
Darrius Caldwell | DE | GA | 5.7 | 3 | 79 |
Reilly O'Toole | QB | IL | 5.7 | 3 | 76 |
Patrick Flavin | OL | IL | 5.7 | 3 | 75 |
Matt LaCosse | ATH | IL | 5.6 | 3 | 78 |
Zeph Grimes | S | SC | 5.6 | 3 | 77 |
Chris Boles | OL | OH | 5.6 | 3 | 77 |
Kenny Knight | WR | MI | 5.6 | 3 | 76 |
Ralph Cooper | LB | SC | 5.5 | 3 | 78 |
Josh Ferguson | RB | IL | 5.5 | 3 | 75 |
Chris O'Connor | DE | IL | 5.5 | 3 | 75 |
Donavonn Young | RB | TX | 5.5 | 3 | 75 |
Scott McDowell | OL | IL | 5.5 | 3 | 75 |
Tony Durkin | OL | IL | 5.5 | 3 | 74 |
Ted Karras | OL | IN | 5.5 | 2 | 77 |
Willie Beavers | OL | MI | 5.5 | 2 | 76 |
Henry Dickinson | LB | TN | 5.5 | 2 | 75 |
Jeremy Whitlow | WR | OH | 5.5 | 2 | 74 |
Valdon Cooper | CB | GA | 5.5 | 2 | 67 |
Nick North | CB | FL | 5.4 | 3 | 76 |
Marquise Mosley | WR | TX | 5.4 | 3 | 74 |
JT Thornton | CB | FL | 5.4 | 2 | 77 |
Kenny Nelson | DE | MI | 5.4 | 2 | 75 |
Daniel Rhodes | TE | NC | 5.4 | 2 | 73 |
Justin DuVernois | K | FL | 5.4 | 2 | 70 |
Hunter Wells | OL | IL | 5.3 | 3 | NR |
Jordan Frysinger | WR | NY | 5.3 | 2 | 73 |
Eaton Spence | CB | FL | 5.3 | 2 | NR |
Illini add a couple more pieces to what will end up as easily the conference's largest recruiting class.
#10 Northwestern - 17 Commits | |||||
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Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | ESPN |
Christian Jones | WR | TX | 5.7 | 3 | 81 |
Shane Mertz | OL | NJ | 5.6 | 3 | 79 |
Jack Konopka | OL | IL | 5.6 | 3 | 79 |
Zack Oliver | QB | LA | 5.6 | 3 | 78 |
Jarrell Williams | CB | IL | 5.6 | 3 | 76 |
Deonte Gibson | DE | OH | 5.6 | 3 | 76 |
Matt Frazier | OL | IL | 5.6 | 3 | 75 |
Jordan Perkins | RB | CA | 5.5 | 2 | 70 |
Max Chapman | DE | FL | 5.6 | 2 | 78 |
Andrew Smith | LB | OH | 5.5 | 3 | 78 |
Mark Szott | TE | IL | 5.5 | 3 | 77 |
Geoff Mogus | OL | OH | 5.5 | 3 | 75 |
CJ Robbins | DE | IL | 5.5 | 3 | 75 |
Cameron Dickerson | WR | NJ | 5.5 | 2 | 73 |
Xavier Youngblood | WR | TX | 5.5 | NR | 76 |
Nick VanHoose | DB | OH | 5.4 | 3 | 74 |
Treyvon Green | RB | TX | 5.3 | 3 | 77 |
Northwestern picks up Deonte Gibson and Andrew Smith. The Wildcats get a little bump up in the rankings.
#11 Minnesota - 22 Commits | |||||
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Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | ESPN |
Tommy Olson | OL | MN | 5.7 | 3 | 79 |
Mike Moore | LB | TX | 5.6 | 3 | 77 |
Peter Westerhaus | TE | MN | 5.6 | 3 | 76 |
Quentin Gardener | WR | TX | 5.6 | 3 | 76 |
Steven Montgomery | WR | FL | 5.6 | 3 | 76 |
Max Shortell | QB | KS | 5.6 | 3 | 74 |
Quinn Bauducco | LB | CA | 5.6 | 3 | 74 |
Drew Goodger | TE | KS | 5.6 | 2 | 74 |
Josh Campion | OL | VA | 5.6 | 2 | 73 |
Drayquan Crawford | S | TX | 5.6 | 2 | JC |
Kyle McAvoy | OL | IL | 5.5 | 3 | 79 |
Luke McAvoy | OL | IL | 5.5 | 3 | 75 |
Foster Bush | OL | WI | 5.5 | 3 | 70 |
Jephete Matilus | LB | FL | 5.5 | 2 | 77 |
Joe Bjorklund | OL | MN | 5.5 | 2 | 75 |
Devin Crawford-Tufts | WR | MN | 5.5 | 2 | 74 |
Grayson Levine | S | MN | 5.5 | 2 | 73 |
Ge'Shun Harris | WR | CA | 5.5 | 2 | JC |
Junior Osunde | CB | TX | 5.5 | 2 | JC |
Wedley Estime | DE | FL | 5.5 | NR | 75 |
Marcus Jones | CB | NC | 5.4 | 2 | 74 |
John Rabe | TE | IA | 5.4 | 2 | JC |
The newest Minnesota commit, Wedley Estime, is not even in Scout's database.
#12 Indiana - 15 Commits | |||||
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Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | ESPN |
Zack Shaw | LB | OH | 5.8 | 3 | 76 |
Cody Latimer | WR | OH | 5.7 | 3 | 73 |
D'Angelo Roberts | RB | IN | 5.6 | 3 | 77 |
Jake Reed | TE | IN | 5.6 | 3 | 77 |
Tre Roberson | QB | IN | 5.6 | 3 | 76 |
Ralston Evans | OL | IN | 5.6 | 3 | 74 |
Forisse Hardin | S | KY | 5.6 | 3 | 74 |
Bernard Taylor | DT | IN | 5.5 | 3 | 76 |
Mark Murphy | S | OH | 5.5 | 3 | 75 |
Nick Stoner | S | IN | 5.5 | 3 | 74 |
Kirk Harris | OL | KS | 5.5 | 2 | 77 |
Kyle Kennedy | LB | IN | 5.5 | 2 | 76 |
Jay McCants | WR | OH | 5.4 | 3 | 75 |
Kenny Mullen | CB | IN | 5.4 | 3 | 74 |
Mike Replogle | LB | OH | 5.4 | 3 | 74 |
Indiana's class gets smaller as Donte Phillips is no longer a Hoosier. Class size drops them behind Minnesota and Northwestern.
#13 Purdue - 14 Commits | |||||
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Name | Position | State | Rivals | Scout | ESPN |
Frankie Williams | WR | FL | 5.7 | 3 | 77 |
Taylor Richards | CB | FL | 5.6 | 3 | 77 |
Raheem Mostert | WR | FL | 5.6 | 2 | 79 |
Robert Kugler | TE | PA | 5.5 | 3 | 78 |
Armstead Williams | LB | PA | 5.5 | 3 | 78 |
Brandon Cottom | LB | PA | 5.5 | 3 | 76 |
Akeem Hunt | RB | GA | 5.5 | 3 | 75 |
Michael Rouse | DT | IL | 5.5 | 2 | 73 |
Randy Gregory | DE | IN | NR | 2 | NR |
Doug Gentry | RB | TX | 5.5 | 2 | 76 |
Shane Mikesky | WR | IN | 5.5 | 2 | 73 |
AJ King | WR | FL | 5.5 | 2 | 75 |
Sterling Carter | TE | CA | 5.4 | 2 | JC |
Akeem Shavers | RB | TX | 5.4 | 2 | JC |
Some services are saying Armstead Williams is no longer committed to the Boilermakers, so keep an eye out for that next week.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:08 PM ^
You have Kellen Jones on there 3 times.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:12 PM ^
yeah he brings a lot of depth to the position! a ha! ha! ha. heh. he.. uh.... *sigh*...................
January 30th, 2011 at 7:19 PM ^
That's not a mistake. Kellen is so awesome it is like having three players so to be fair Tim had to list him three times.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:53 PM ^
Fred Jackson listed him...
January 30th, 2011 at 7:12 PM ^
Also, Wile is now a 3* on Scout.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:12 PM ^
Who is the next decommit from Illinois? Isn't 28 the maximum they can sign?
January 30th, 2011 at 10:09 PM ^
Rivals doesn't list them as commits anymore, and they aren't likely to sign on Wednesday. So Illinois is at 27 now.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:19 PM ^
You are missing Russell Bellomy & Antonio Poole from your chart
and also K. Jones is on three times.January 30th, 2011 at 8:07 PM ^
Yes please.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:22 PM ^
Especially G.I. Joe and the Transformers.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:25 PM ^
Cardale Jones of Glenville Prison was just awarded a full scholarship by the Buckeyes. Recent commit Bryce Haynes was also ranked as the no.1 LS in the country.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:02 PM ^
It was my understanding that Jones was not qualified. Has that changed?
January 30th, 2011 at 9:18 PM ^
Sounds like Jones will either greyshirt or go to prep school (assuming he doesn't qualify).
January 30th, 2011 at 7:30 PM ^
Our average rankings aren't that bad. Better than the three schools ahead of us. Hopefully we can get a few more commits to get the numbers up and we will be right there with Neb.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:33 PM ^
I've always wondered how you compare two teams with different numbers of recruits. On one hand, it seems more important that you have a higher concentration of top players, but on the other hand, all other things being equal, and extra 3-star is a good thing.
I've always thought that just totalling points is a bad way to do it; a lot of schools could pile on more three stars if they wanted to. I'm sure there's a way to do it using math, but i don't know much math. I was thinking, maybe you take the smallest number of recruits that any team has (in this case 14), then take the top (in this case 14) players from each team and take the average ranking, with additional commits being a tie breaker.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:41 PM ^
I personally like Michigan's class over Wisky and possibly Iowa as well.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:20 PM ^
I see how some could have us below the others, but there's no way our class rates lower than Wisconsin.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:45 PM ^
Michigan should easily be 4th according to these rankings, what is this? Michigan is higher than Sparty in Scout and ESPN avg ratings, and barely below sparty in Rivals. This makes absolutely ZERO sense to me.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:59 PM ^
I suspect Tim will consider our angst regarding his rankings as first time poster nonsense, but the fact is I used to appreciate the insights provided by his blog postings, dating back to his pre-MGOBLOG affiliation. You can do better Tim, and you have a track record that proves it. Please seriously review your methodology and if it still makes sense to you, so be it.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:06 PM ^
I'm comfortable with it.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:42 PM ^
Asked and answered.
To me these posts provide more than just simple recruitng rankings. They give us a snapshot of what everyone else is doing in a world where everything in recruiting for (most of) us is Michigan-centric.
January 30th, 2011 at 11:35 PM ^
Well because Tim said that our theoretical class is below Wisconsin's, WE ARE DOOMED TO BE IN 7TH PLACE IN THE BIG TEN.
Until Tim publishes his BCS like algorithm, you can pick it apart for flaws. Until then, it's just a good overall picture of the B1G + ND. Subjectively, I think there's no way you can say that Michigan's class is shaping up better than Notre Dame or OSU. Spots 3-8 are pretty much up for debate, then you clearly sink another tier starting with Illinois's parade of 3 and 2* recruits.
I mean, there's nothing completely insanely wrong with it, so lighten up.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:48 PM ^
Seems like ND should be above OSU from looking at Rivals and ESPN rankings. With Scout, OSU has the edge. If you take into account all three, I'd say ND edges in front.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:51 PM ^
Long-snapper Bryce Haynes commits to the Buckeyes, and though he brings down their averages quite a bit, it's unfair to knock the Buckeyes below Notre Dame for adding another piece to their class.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:51 PM ^
At least his parents didn't name him Richard.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:54 PM ^
How are these ranking being calculated?
Both Scout and Rivals ranks Michigan ahead of Wisconsin, Iowa, and State if I am not mistaken.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:27 PM ^
I have no idea how Rivals considers Michigan to have a better class than State. Per their own ratings, MSU has a better average per commit, in addition to more commits.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:51 PM ^
#27
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17
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0
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5
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11
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3.24
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1,079
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#28
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20
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0
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4
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15
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3.15
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1,071
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#29
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21
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0
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2
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17
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3.00
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992
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January 30th, 2011 at 10:35 PM ^
Rivals ranks based on their total points colum which takes into account each players rating as well as number of commitments. I believe their formula values higher rated players more than a formula that simply averages ratings for all commitments. Thus, Michigan gets many more points for having five guys rated 5.8 or above compared to State's two. I also suspect that this explains why Iowa, with their four 5.8 rated players, is also above State.
Edit: I don't know whose method is better (rival's complicated system or Tim's simple average, but I think when all is said and done, I wouldn't mind seeing a chart with all the big ten classes based on the respective recruting site's class rankings as opposed to simple averages. I feel the rating sites probably are more adept at using their own individual ranking systems than someone on the outside. Not that I don't appreciate Tim's effort. Looking at all the individual player rankins is a great way to judge for yourself how teams are doing.
January 30th, 2011 at 11:38 PM ^
When I have some free time at work/ when I remember, I'm just going to just regression model the systems with points.
I'm pretty sure they just assign points to each grade level of player. 6.0's get 100, 5.9's get 80, and so forth. Should be pretty easy to do...
January 30th, 2011 at 8:00 PM ^
I am mistaken Scout ranks us right behind State.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:26 PM ^
The rankings are mostly done on the eyeball test. There's no "fair" way to do it mathematically, because it's impossible to avoid over- or under-valuing commit numbers, depending on the different situations.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:30 PM ^
Thanks Tim for the explanation.
With more commits (6 additional potential signings), do you see Michigan jumping to fourth in your rankings?
January 30th, 2011 at 8:47 PM ^
If Michigan lands more than one of their top targets, they're almost certain to at least catch up to Nebraska, I think.
I haven't crunched the numbers to see how it would look.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:48 PM ^
So what you're saying is you have an ocular issue which skews your vision which results in a most nonsensical ranking. Come on Tim, exactly what's fair about your "eyeball test"? Frankly, your analysis doesn't pass the eyeball test. Combined with Brian's meltdown two weeks ago, this blog needs a serious vacation if it wants to be taken seriously again. Here's to hoping you will revisit whatever statistical tool(s) you use - beyond the reproachable eyeball test - and recognize it's not serving you well. How about recognizing that the three services you do use incorporate both qualitative and quantitative data in their analyses and then incorporate them properly into your rankings. There is no way any analyst worth a grain of salt could rank Michigan as low as you do, given the data from Scouts, Rivals and ESPN.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:12 PM ^
are you so angry about this? This is not a science. To be really accurate someone would have to research exactly what each team needed and how the recruits fit their needs while taking into account rankings and total number of recruits. Besides, if Tim put us at dead last what would it matter? Make your own conclusions from the numbers. I don't see how you could come up with something much different. Move Michigan one spot up ahead of Wisconsin?
January 30th, 2011 at 9:45 PM ^
I'll never forgive Tim for rating our recruiting class so low and losing us all those games.
January 31st, 2011 at 10:47 AM ^
it's not like he gives you the information you need to make up your own mind about the relative strengths of the recruiting classes. Oh, wait...
January 30th, 2011 at 8:26 PM ^
A nice little class here. I long ago stopped caring how the rankings worked out because teams that pull in "nice" classes - looking at you, Zook - don't always translate to results on the field. I just hope that the staff closes on one or two more big names and the class finishes around 20 kids.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:46 PM ^
Also we all know ND won't do much with their top 10 class.
January 31st, 2011 at 8:30 AM ^
Other threads in the past few weeks have sung the praises of ND, so I won't go all the way there, but Brian Kelly is a pretty smart guy. They did not play well at the start of last year, fair enough, but they are going to improve. He has made every single school he's been at a better football program. He will do the same for ND, I promise you that.
January 31st, 2011 at 11:12 AM ^
I am curious about ND's class. Those three 5* DE's will not all be playing that position as Kelly likes small and quick defensive fronts. I like the idea of Posada, Bryant and YES you too Jake Fisher mauling 265-280LB D linemen.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:34 PM ^
I just went to rivals site michigan is listed as 27th ranked team iowa is 28 msu 29.
January 30th, 2011 at 8:39 PM ^
dont understand how we are #7 when we are ranked 7,4,4
January 30th, 2011 at 8:58 PM ^
Fewer commits than every class ahead (except Nebraska, who has better averages).
January 31st, 2011 at 11:13 AM ^
working the karma.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:11 PM ^
January 30th, 2011 at 10:36 PM ^
It's awful that people are allowed to have opinions with no enforced group think.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:58 PM ^
first off, tim, thanks for doing this. it's always nice to see all of the big sites' rankings together like this.
for what it's worth, though, i think there are major problems with the way you're using averages. (i've always thought this, but since people are talking about it now, why not?) for example, consider what would happen if a team signed rivals' top player in the country (DE jadeveon clowney), top fullback in the country (hunter joyer), and top kicker in the country (taylor bertolet). clowney has a 6.1 from rivals, joyer has a 5.7, and bertolet has a 5.5. if those were the only three guys in your class, you'd have a mean of 5.77, which, while good, wouldn't come close to representing what a stellar group you've assembled.
it's not just about positions, either. let's say a team grabs the #1 QB in the country (jeff driskel; 6.0) and a three-star QB it happens to really like (say russell bellomy; 5.5). then you're looking at a 5.75 rating for its QBs, which again doesn't come close to accurately representing the quality of the class at that position.
i'd have to think some more about a better way to do this (e.g., placing more weight on highly rated guys or on top guys at their positions), but there must be a way.
January 30th, 2011 at 11:09 PM ^
Yeah, but is the best kicker in the country as valuable as the best qb or de? I would think not, and you'd need to find some kind of a way to account for that as well.
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