This Week's Obsession: A Brighter Tomorrow Comment Count

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The Question:

Ace: Michigan's basketball season is almost certainly lost, but there's always the prospect of seeing one or two players transform under Beilein's continued tutelage, especially now that most of the freshmen have bee n thrust into major roles. Which freshman do you expect to show the most improvement over the rest of the season, and which do you want to see show the most improvement?

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The Answers:

Dave Nasternack: Expect: Ricky Doyle. I think this is probably the most obvious choice. First, he's been starting for awhile, now, and has already shown improvement in various areas. I'm guessing he's leading in 'freshman minutes played?' If not, he's got to be close. So, just due to experience on the floor, he's got the be as comfortable in his role as any of the other contenders. Plus, the areas of improvement for Doyle are closely related to experience and mental understanding: positional awareness and some body control (almost always for bigs) vs. increased shooting %s, building muscle, better technique, etc. In addition to a couple of post moves, Doyle has shown patience inside and flashes of passion/GAF, which is exactly what you want to see to fuel his improvement. It would also be ideal if he could grab a few more rebounds.

Hope: While there is definitely something to be said for Aubrey Dawkins, I'm going to go with Kam Chatman. Chatman came into school with a ton of hype and excitement—not to mention a little more hair—but has only showed flashes of his potential in short bursts. While Chatman has looked lost both offensively and defensively for long stretches of this year, I do believe that he has the highest ceiling of any freshman on the roster. Plus, unless Donnal were to move down a position, Chatman is the ideal 4 on this roster. His length, size, and athleticism would make him the most ideal fit for the position that Beilein has had in his M tenure. Chatman will definitely have to improve his court awareness, positioning, and definitely his shooting consistency in order to do so, however. Based on losing his starting spot, a further decrease in minutes, and the eyeball test when he was playing more consistently, I'm guessing that his "growth jump" will come over the summer or in 15/16 rather than in the next couple of months.

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Ace: Expect: Aubrey Dawkins. Doyle is also a solid choice, though I think much of his improvement is going to come after another offseason in which he goes from "strong for a freshman" to "strong." Dawkins got less time early on and is just starting to put it all together; with Caris LeVert out the rest of the season, he's going to have a much bigger role, too. While I'm not sure we'll see a ton of progress in his offensive repertoire—he's mostly a spot-up shooter and transition finisher right now, and that's fine—there's plenty of room for his rebounding numbers to go up, and he's certainly got the athletic ability to make a more consistent impact on the boards.

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Hope: Mark Donnal. Could very easily say Chatman here, but the emergence of Dawkins lessens the need for him to pan out, and while Chatman was expected to be a big piece of the program going forward, Donnal could be a system-changing guy if he ever hits his ceiling. He's a long way from that right now—he's not physical enough on either side of the court, his finishing has been poor, and his three-point shot has come and gone. If he can at least turn into a threat to hit the occasional pick-and-pop jumper, that'd be a good start. While it's largely gone unnoticed, his rebounding has been a big plus; now he needs to add the strength to fight through contact at the basket and deny post position to opposing bigs.

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Seth: Expect: MAAR. Or RAHK, or whatever we're calling Muhammed-Ali Everett Josephus Augustus Bartlesby Siobhan Charry-Bahri-Rucci Smith-Kaplan Abdur-Rahkman these days. I agree with Ace regarding Doyle, but after the Rutgers game I sensed Michigan would rather go small with him than lean on the 3 and 4. Aubrey Dawkins will indeed see his role increase; MAAR has played far fewer minutes and has almost as direct a path to playing time from here.

My rule of thumb with basketball progression is the bigger the position, the more it's about simple physical growth. Dawkins can use his athleticism to get more rebounds, but right now he gives up 25 pounds to the average Big Ten four he'll be banging away with. MAAR gets to be on a more steady, guard-like progression, and there are plenty of minutes available to make that visceral with Walton looking hobbled and Spike being Spike-sized. This is admittedly a pessimistic view.

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Hope: I agree a big jump for a big would be grand, but agreement is boring so I'll speak the case for Chatman Explosion. Again, I defer to Ace that Dawkins makes the need for Chatman less immediate, but Michigan lost a ton of length when Caris went out, and a magic Chatman emergence gets a lot of that back.

Kam has been too much of a disappointment so far to wave it off as freshmanitude, but that still leaves a huge and immediate ceiling of potential. For the most part he has looked more lost in the system, and that is amendable—no program that runs the stem replaces 2.5 NBA sophomores with freshmen every year, and for a reason.

So there's a glimmer of hope that the pressure to be a factor right away simply bewildered a guy whose high school career was beating up on lesser athletes. And given the ceiling on this year's team with all the #weirdguys. whatever glimmers for 2016 and beyond we find will be extra special precious. The second-best thing that could happen to this team after Donnal Beast Mode would be a 4.5 star wing to start playing like a guy who could start for Arizona right now next year.

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Brian: Expect: Doyle. Doyle's already shown the most out of the freshmen and that's with conditioning slowing him down. He was limited in the preseason with an ankle issue, remember, and he's had a serious cold or some other respiratory thing holding down his minutes the last couple games. 

As we saw with Mitch McGary, disrupting a young big's conditioning can have major consequences for his game, not just his minutes, and as Doyle rounds into a guy who can go 30 minutes most nights I bet he is looked at as one of the most promising young bigs in the league. He's got a bunch of skill around the basket, and if his hands can just get stronger he'll be highly effective.

Hope: Dawkins. It might be better for Michigan if Chatman started playing well, but to be honest I have little hope that's going to happen this year. The thing with the blown left handed layup when he was coming from the right side was just... cumong man. He does not seem to be progressing.

Dawkins, on the other hand, is. He had a nice take to the bucket against Rutgers, is shooting acceptably from outside, and has crazy hops he should start using more now that LeVert's out. He's got the frame to be a quality defender at the three as well. He just needs to start getting comfortable with the offense and passing some more--one assist on the year is suboptimal. I'm hoping we see him round into GRIII junior (GRIV?) by the end of the year. Throw it down, medium man.

Comments

Prince Lover

January 22nd, 2015 at 2:11 PM ^

Just because he'll see the most dramatic uptick in opportunity with Caris sitting. My hope is Donnal. Only because I've been hoping for him since the middle of last year when he was dominating practices.

93Grad

January 22nd, 2015 at 2:39 PM ^

in either football or basketaball as more often then not it never materializes.  So far, Donnal just looks to be McLimans 2.0.  He probably has more talent than Blake, but his demanor on the court does not inspire confidence.  That being said, I have more hope for Donnal than Chatman. 

MGlobules

January 22nd, 2015 at 2:15 PM ^

in these guys all getting shifting minutes and lineups going here, even if it means winning fewer games in a more confirmed offense with Caris. (If he'd only come back.) Suddenly against Rutgers Donnal and Dawkins and MAAR all looked like viable future playahs. And the thing was watchable because grit!

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NCMtnBlue

January 22nd, 2015 at 2:20 PM ^

He has shown flashes of brilliance (see Illinois).  The thing I like the most about him is that he seems to take his shots in the flow of the game.  I have not seen him take many "bad shots".  He also does not show much hesitation - like the big three he made against Rutgers after missing his previous shot - no hesitation.  More minutes should help his confidence, and could allow him to break out into a consistant offensive threat.

Doyle still seems hesitant and awkward.  If he catches the ball in the post outside of 4 feet from the basket, you can see the confusion on his face as he tries to decide if he should make a move and shoot, or pass the ball back out to the perimeter.

UMaD

January 22nd, 2015 at 2:34 PM ^

Expect:  Chatman.

He's been a disaster this year, so the bar is extremely low. It'd be almost hard for him not to improve. 

With LeVert's departure creating a lot of on-the-ball opportunities, Chatman stands to benefit more than any other freshman other than MAAR.  I'm just not sure how much better MAAR is going to get.  Whereas Chatman clearly has the size, skillset, and recruiting pedigree to get MUCH better.

Hope:  Donnal

He just doesn't look like a Big10 player so far.  He recruiting profile indicates he could/should be doing a lot more but he's already a RS Freshman.  Fingers crossed that we have something more than Blake McLimans jr.

ohheydude1

January 22nd, 2015 at 2:34 PM ^

Expect: Dawkins - He will be the main guy forced to take more shots and have more usage every game with Levert out.  He (not Chatman or Doyle) also has the highest upside of all the freshman imo.  He could be a demon on defense with his length and athleticism and my hope is to continue to see him develop in his ability to take the ball to the rim while shooting a decent percentage from the outside.  

 

Hope A: Chatman - Kam is limited in strength and hops.  His lack of vertical did not hurt him in high school since he was simply taller than everyone, but it's killing him in college basketball.  I expect under JB's tutelage he will become more saavy and begin making more deliberate plays that do not require him to outleap anyone.  He still has deceptive quickness, a better handle than most players his height and a smooth shooting stroke.  He is quite clearly having confidence issues, and if he begins to believe in himself I think he could change the dynamic of the entire team. 

 

Hope B: Donnal - I would like to see Donnal get minutes playing the 4.  He is not yet strong enough to defend Big Ten 5's on the low block but to get minutes at the 4 he needs to translate all the practice hype of being a good shooter into game action.  He, just like Kam Chatman, needs to see the ball go in on some long range shots to grow his confidence about being a guy who wants the ball and wants to shoot.  They both currently have a deer in the headlights look to them. 

Get Jim Harbaugh

January 22nd, 2015 at 2:36 PM ^

How is it almost lost? We're 5-2 in conference play. We have Wisconsin, OSU, and MSU at home (I know we still have a game in East Lansing). If they lose those three games, then sure, it is done and it's back to the NIT we go, but relax. We still have some games to play.



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Jon06

January 22nd, 2015 at 2:39 PM ^

I assume I will enjoy this. But man, I don't even know who the roundtable participants are anymore. (Are they experts!?)

Edit: Oh, I thought Hope was a person's name at first. D'oh. I guess there's just one person I don't know.

TrueBlue2003

January 22nd, 2015 at 3:30 PM ^

The thing about Doyle I worry about is where the improvement is going to come from.  He's very skilled and it shows as he's shooting 66% FG and has a very-low-for-a-freshman-big-man TO rate of 12%, but he's so limited by his athleticism that I worry he's already near his ceiling. He's a bafflingly awful defensive rebounder (worse rate than Spike and Irvin!!), and he's not a shot blocker and very likely never will be with his length and athleticism (lack thereof).

His ceiling is probably Jordan Morgan, which would be great, I love me some JMo, but I don't think he has the quickness to get in front of people to take charges and disrupt shots in lieu of shot blocking the way Morgan did. He'll learn to anticipate those things better and maybe will improve his passing from the post and FT shooting, but those might be the only areas he can improve. Learning his spots on defense will hopefully have a big effect. I guess I'm just longing for a shot-blocking defender that could finish off the pick and roll.  Pretty much just those two skills: rim protector and close range finisher would be so perfect for Beilein's teams.

If we could frankenstein the three freshman bigs together: Doyle's finishing around the rim, Donnal's jump shooting and DJ Wilson's length and shotblocking, we'd have a star. Unfortunately, Kam was supposed to be able to do a lot of those things, but yeah, I think that disappointment has been covered enough. Hopeful for big strides over the summer.  He can't be this bad at shooting and finishing, right? And hopefully, he's just taking longer to figure out his spots.

UMaD

January 22nd, 2015 at 8:34 PM ^

If people are assuming a Freshan Morgan to Senior Morgan type of career arc they are going to be disappointed.

That said, Doyle absolutely can get a lot better defensively and he can get significantly stronger. He won't ever be Morgan on that end, but he's a solid rebounder and more of a physical presence.

He is also far more skilled offensively.  Beilein's not going to give him 10 post-up opportunities a game, but Doyle can have offensive gravity that Morgan couldn't ever touch.

The best case scenario for Michigan is that Wilson evolves into a stretch 4 who can provide length and shot-blocking that complements Doyle's physicality.  Wilson is a LONG way from being that guy right now, and he's probably needed at the 5 spot, but if we're talking about 2016-17 and the year after, it's on the table...

Kam is another option to be a great complement to Doyle if he gets his body and mind right.  Don't sleep on this coaching staff turning him into a reliable 3 point shooter who can also pass very effectively to Doyle.

UMaD

January 23rd, 2015 at 2:31 PM ^

I don't know that Doyle will ever move as quickly and wisely as Morgan did. If he does, we'll be very happy.

He IS already more skilled with the ball than Morgan, but Morgan by his senior season was absolutely perfect with his screens and rolls. His timing was just on, every play.  PLUS, he was a monster in transition in both directions.

If Doyle reaches Morgan's senior level perforamance it will be huge for Michigan, but it's far from a given.

TrueBlue2003

January 23rd, 2015 at 8:08 PM ^

I think his ceiling is a lot like senior Morgan.  I completely agree that he's far more skilled offensively in the half court than freshman Morgan, which is why I think, like UMaD that he's closer to his ceiling, i.e. not going to improve as much as the typical freshman to senior arc.

Like UMaD, I'm skeptical he'll ever be as good as Morgan was defensively. They have similar height and length limitations, so to make up for lack of shot blocking and interior presence, he'll have to be a monster in help defense, rotating quickly to get in front of people. Morgan was as good at that as I've ever seen so it'd be unrealistic to expect Doyle to be that good, which means he may never be more than a defensive liability. He could develop more strength to keep bigs out of the lane on post-ups and rebounds, but like I said, he's an awful defensive rebounder right now, so I hope that's a fluke and that his boxing out gets better to the point where he's not just trying to cancel his man out but that he's actually able to go after some balls to gobble them up before other guys get there.

maceo_blastin'

January 22nd, 2015 at 3:39 PM ^

he won't be the best of this unproven lot but he looked to have some legitimate offensive skill in his brief time. I hope to see him get some more opportunities at the three spot.  

I particularly like Dawk, Rahk, and Doyle just because of what they bring to the court mentally. Crucial for frosh. 

Expect: Dawkins

Hope: Donnal

autodrip4-1968

January 22nd, 2015 at 5:48 PM ^

I expect Doyle to be the man. He's been good for a young big man. And in agreement with Brian, he needs to hang on the ball. Ricky is going to be a dandy. I like what I've been seeing of MAAR. Looks more assertive in the games of late. Happy to see him starting the rest of the season and bringing Spike off the pine. Kam looks lost for now. In the Rutgers game it seemed like Longerans and Dakich had a settling effect on the game.

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champswest

January 22nd, 2015 at 8:52 PM ^

process. Until this week I was pretty worried about next year and beyond, due to lack of talent and no top talent committed, as of yet. Now, I think that we have a chance to be pretty good if guys continue to improve and I think they will. We can remember that LeVert was pretty raw as a freshman and was often lost out there. Some high IQ players (Burke, Stauskas) may pick up Beilein's system quickly, but many are going to take a year or two. I have visions of Doyle/Wilson at the 5 next year, which frees up Donnal to join Chatman at the 4 (where he is better suited), Dawkins/Robinson at the 3, Irvin/MARR at the 2 and Walton/Spike at the point. Many of those guys can play more than one position. By next season, they will all have at least one year under their belt plus a summer to work on their games. I feel better about the near future than I did a few days ago.