This Week’s Obsession: Better Late Than Never Comment Count

Seth

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Suddenly it’s happening [Marc-Gregor Campredon]

The Question:

Ace:

Best/favorite/memorable senior-year breakout?

Brian: I surmise this is in honor of Derrick Walton?

Ace: Indeed.

Brian: We should point out that Walton's breakout is not merely a senior year breakout but the ultra-rare midseason senior-year breakout. After being called softbatch.

Ace: Yeah, I don’t really remember anything quite like what Walton has done over the last month, at least with Michigan basketball players.

Brian: I could kiss Maverick Morgan.

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The Responses:

Ace: The senior-year breakout that comes to mind for me hopefully won’t have too many parallels to Walton. When I was a senior in high school, my parents got me a ten-game ticket package for Michigan basketball that covered the conference portion of the schedule. This was 2005-06, when it looked like this could finally be the year that Tommy Amaker’s squad snapped the tourney drought.

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Senior Horton nearly got an Amaker team to the Dance. [MGoBlue.com via Holdin the Rope]

Up to that point in his career, Daniel Horton had been an enigmatic player: obviously talented, usually the best player on some mediocre teams, but clearly hamstrung by the system and surrounding talent. His ORating never cracked 100 in his first three years at Michigan, and after a junior season cut short when he pled guilty to domestic violence, it looked like his promising freshman year may stand as his peak.

It all clicked in his senior year. Horton took a Walton-esque leap with his finishing around the rim, hit 39% of his threes, and played remarkably efficient ball for someone shouldering such a huge load (111.4 ORtg on a 28% usage rage). He had several notable performances, most of which came down the stretch: 32 points in a win at Minnesota, 23 and five assists in a win over MSU at Crisler, 21 and five in the home rematch against the Gophers, and a masterful 39-point game to beat Illinois and get Michigan to 8-6 in the Big Ten and on the precipice of a tourney bid. (Someone, please, get that game on YouTube. That was as loud as I’d ever heard Crisler until the Final Four squad.)

Horton’s heroics weren’t quite enough to propel Michigan into the tournament. The Wolverines went 2-7 down the stretch, with Dion Harris’ ankle injury against Ohio State wiping out much of Horton’s scoring support; Horton’s 34-point game against Indiana still wasn’t enough to get M the final win they would’ve needed to get a bid. They instead had to settle for a run to the NIT final. Horton’s magnificent play to close out his career, however, remains one of my fondest memories from a relatively dreadful era in Michigan hoops.

[Hit THE JUMP for Seth just rocketing off answers before anybody else can]

Seth: This was part DerrickWaltonian Mid-Senior Renaissance and #Harbaugheffect, but Jake Rudock went from meh Iowa starter who could be replaced by a meh Iowa starter with an angrier dad, to interim starter who puts a hard cap on the transition season, to eviscerating Florida's secondary and an NFL draft pick.

Adam: Jeremy Clark's injury (and the NCAA's puzzling decision not permit him to play a sixth year) was unfortunate, but it ended up being papered over by Channing Stribling's excellent senior season. He went from a question mark to a guy who was splitting snaps to a second-team All-Big Ten honoree whose cumulative PFF grade was just a couple points below that of Jourdan Lewis.

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Does not read MGoBlog

Seth: Is someone going to bring up Chris Perry? He had some long carries as the backup to A-Train but once he was the man CP23 was mostly disappointing. This was my Junior and Senior year on The Daily  and rarely a game went by  when there wasn't an argument on the staff  over whether Perry or the OL was to blame for Michigan always struggling to run the ball. His vision in 2001 and 2002 was especially frustrating given the mostly power and draw running game that narrowed his choices to one or two gaps. The more damning evidence against him was that his coaches kept trying to find somebody else. The fans clamored for 5-star Kelly Baraka. The coaches seems to prefer Tim Bracken at one point. What we got, when he was healthy, was BJ Askew.

So of course in 2003 Perry is suddenly the Doak Walker winner, a Heisman candidate, and a blunt instrument with which to pound Michigan State reatedly. It didn't come out of nowhere, but this is still literally the only running back I can ever think of who improved dramatically as an upperclassman.

David: In 2002, Perry had a very nice junior season. He rushed for 1110 yards at 4.2/carry, and 14 TDs. He also caught 14 balls for 156 yards. But I agree in 2003, Perry took it multiple notches higher. Since I was already writing this up I’ll add some stats: 1674 yards, averaging 5.0/carry—up a full yard from 2002—and 18 touchdowns.  He also added 44 catches for 367 yards and a couple more scores. And like everybody else he had a stellar Ohio State game that year.

Brian: Yo this has got to be Bennie Joppru. Joppru went from a bit player--seventeen catches as a junior, five of them in that awful Tennessee Citrus Bowl that everyone stopped watching in the second quarter--to Aughts Jake Butt. His 53-catch season still stands as the most in Michigan tight end history, and my memory of him is catching seams with one hand as he bats away a linebacker with the other.

BONUS: Joppru doubled down on his senior breakout by getting drafted in the second round and then immediately and repeatedly tearing his ACL. Only the good die young.

Also I have to put in a shout for the other out-of-nowhere TE in recent Michigan history: AJ Williams. Didn't have the stats like Joppru did but the transformation was nonetheless astounding.

David: David Rohlfs. Through his first three seasons (03-04 to 05-06), his point breakdowns were: 7, 6, 13; 5, 5, 10; and 2, 10, 12.  That's 35 points for his career.  Then came the actual definition of Senior Season Breakout.  David Rohlfs tallied 17 goals and 17 assists for a total of 34 points.  He just about doubled his career production in one season.  A career 4th liner, Rohlfs moving up to skate with Mighty Mite TJ Hensick and Hobey Baker-to be Kevin Porter probably had a little to do with his opportunities...but David certainly took advantage of them.  He also led the team with a +33. Rohlfs dabbled in minor league hockey for a few years after graduating in 2007 before putting his Business Degree to use and getting involved in local real estate.

Ace: I’ll throw in a mention for David Harris, who took a couple years to bounce back from a freshman-year knee injury and didn’t start full-time until his redshirt junior year, in which he was good but unspectacular and didn’t merit all-conference honors. I don’t remember many people predicting he’d be the All-American centerpiece of one of the best Michigan defenses of all time.

Seth: I have some old copies of The Wolverine's season preview where the coaches were bemoaning his injury setbacks. The morning after the big national blackout I was in my car listening to WTKA because that was the only way to get air conditioning in the Eastern United States, and the coaches were raving about Harris, and said he was expected to start. That would be beginning of fall practice, 2003, i.e. his redshirt freshman year.

(They also mentioned people should get in on that Google IPO that morning.)

Also one of us old guys ought to mention Brian Griese. His setbacks were kind of personal, and I bet a more modern look at his career might smooth out this trajectory. But that trajectory took him from Dreisbach's backup to John Elway's national-championship-winning heir apparent in the span of 400 days.

Ace: Made tremendous strides in hitting the right window over that span.

I’ll see myself out.

BiSB: I suppose that's a big deal if you're keeping score of such things

Seth: Are we done here? I'm still thinking of them. Ryan Mundy's weird renaissance at West Virginia that only got more inexplicable given later events. Stevie Brown found his calling as a 3-3-5 Spur and had an NFL career as a box safety.

Ace:

Now I’m done.

Comments

jmblue

February 13th, 2017 at 3:39 PM ^

Not to be That Guy, but that game against Syracuse was in Morgan's junior year.

Griese's an excellent choice.  It's often forgotten that he nearly quit football altogether after his junior year - he was about to get a job in his field of environmental science - but he was pursuaded to play one more year, and the rest is history.

ypsituckyboy

February 13th, 2017 at 3:48 PM ^

Yep, can give Ace a break though since Morgan redshirted and that was his 4th year (albeit redshirt junior). And it was a crucial run for Morgan since hitherto he'd had a rough go of things, so rough that there was talk (at the midpoint of his career) of him not being invited back for a 5th year.

jmblue

February 13th, 2017 at 3:56 PM ^

I think it was more about him not being sure if he wanted to return.  I don't think Beilein was going to give him a firm handshake.  He was basically a four-year starter, except for the stretch run of the 2013 season when McGary moved ahead of him.

 

ypsituckyboy

February 13th, 2017 at 4:02 PM ^

My memory is a little suspect  on 2012 and 2013 season, but IIRC his second year of playing (2012) was pretty bad. He played a lot but wasn't very good. McGary eventually moved ahead of him in 2013, but he had a great B1G year on the defensive end and took things to another level after the McGary injury.

I'm probably jumbling the timeline up, though.

jmblue

February 13th, 2017 at 4:09 PM ^

His sophomore year he was the starting center on our Big Ten championship squad.  

He actually was always a pretty good player.  The main setback he had was an ankle injury midway through the 2013 season, which opened the door for McGary, who then became an impact player, making it look like Morgan had been Wally Pipped.  But then when McGary went down the next year, Morgan got his old job back and had a good senior season.

TrueBlue2003

February 13th, 2017 at 4:26 PM ^

he was the anchor to the interior defense of that 2012 squad that remains one of Beiliens best defensive teams (56th in kenpom). Blue coller charge-taker.  Was in the right spots to make up for lack of height and athleticism. Good rebounder (top 10ish in the conference in OREBs and DREBs), shot 60 percent from the field as a good finisher off the pick and roll with Trey. Turned it over a little too much and bad FT shooter, but had a pretty good sophomore year overall.

ST3

February 13th, 2017 at 4:23 PM ^

His junior and senior year stats are comparable.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/tom-brady-1.html

P.S. Brady's Michigan stats are awfully similar to Wilton Speight's.

Jr. Brady 7.5 YPA, 61.9%, 133.1, 14/10 TD/INT

Sr. Brady  7.5 YPA, 61.0%, 138.0, 16/6 TD/INT

'16 Speight: 7.7 YPA, 61.6 Comp Pct., 139.8 rating, 18 TD / 7 INT

schreibee

February 13th, 2017 at 4:28 PM ^

Ok, comparable - but 16 TD/6 Int + beating osu & bama > 14 TD/10 Int + losing to osu. Agreed? Also, how could he have attempted so many more passes while sharing snaps with Henson in '98 than he did getting nearly all the snaps in '99? Weird A-Train I guess

jmblue

February 13th, 2017 at 4:43 PM ^

He's right.  Brady had the job to himself in '98 and platooned in '99.  The platoon lasted the first seven games of the season and arguably played a role in our two losses (MSU and Illinois).  After those losses, Carr finally dropped it and we went 5-0 the rest of the way.

 

 

jmblue

February 13th, 2017 at 4:49 PM ^

I'm afraid your memory is betraying you on this one.

Here are Henson's college stats.

Speaking of memories, I was in school at the time and remember that '99 Illinois game vividly.  From my endzone student seat I had a prime view of that wild shotgun snap that sailed over Brady's head, killing our would-be game-winning drive.  Without that snap we may have played in the national title game - or at least the Rose Bowl.

 

 

 

schreibee

February 13th, 2017 at 4:51 PM ^

Well, my memory betrayed me in one sense: Henson barely did anything EITHER year! I thought he played a lot more than that in '98. Maybe it was when he played - vs ND in early loss, and I believe he ran some in the deluge in Evanston (the Fargas game). That's what my apparently not infallible memory says anyway!

stephenrjking

February 13th, 2017 at 4:53 PM ^

Rose Bowl, yes. But Va Tech and FSU were both undefeated and pretty clearly the choices that year. 

So Wisconsin snuck in and won its second straight, while UM and MSU defenestrated the participants of the SEC title game. Both were terrific teams; the B1G was really good that season.

stephenrjking

February 13th, 2017 at 4:51 PM ^

It's arguable the role it played in the MSU loss (I think Michigan loses anyway) but it had nothing to do with the Illinois loss, which was a total late-game collapse after Michigan had run out to a comfortable 20-point lead. Anthony Thomas got dinged, not badly, but Michigan was up by 20 and Carr took the safe route to send him to the locker room for the day, and the meltdown happened.

Nonetheless Brady took the reigns and the results speak for themselves.

jmblue

February 13th, 2017 at 4:56 PM ^

I bring it up for the Illinois game because IIRC, we had a huge first quarter offensively, then didn't do much in the second with Henson in there.  It still looked like we were going to win before the defensive collapse, but we might have put that game to bed before halftime without the platoon.

 

funkywolve

February 13th, 2017 at 4:37 PM ^

for a large chunk of the season.  The 28 points scored against Syracuse is kind of fools gold thanks to a couple of garbage time TD's to make the final score look better than the game actually was.

The offense didn't start to click until the PSU game late in the year.  Here are the Big Ten games prior to PSU:

UM 29 MSU 17

UM 12 Iowa 9

UM 12 NU 6

UM 21 IU 10

UM 15 Minnesota 10

GhostofJermain…

February 13th, 2017 at 4:23 PM ^

I might get killed for this but I believe DH will be this guy for Michigan (Rising late blooming star)  This is clearly both high risk and high reward statement, but please just hear me out.  

Other than Charles Rogers my eyes have never seen what Drake Harris did in high school.  He was spectacular.  He beat my alma mater damn near by himself, and if you count the TD with no time left I guess he did.. He played great competition in high school as well, and was a standout basketball player.  If you remember we fought OSU, and MSU for his 5* services. He has track speed (10.6's), Insane vertical, and is 6'4".  He is Wilton Speight best friend and roomate.  He has no one in front of him to take the spot (X or Y) Harbaugh was glowing about him Winter and Spring 2015.  From all accounts he's a good kid up to this point, probably having a little too much college fun. (i.e. Grant Perry fiasco and Devin Booker good buddy).  I just think he's going to BLOW UP! He was DPJ before DPJ, and those 2 pushing each other, along with the other fresh and soph is going to be fun to watch.  

 

Here's to listing Drake Harris on this same forum thread in 2019.  

Double-D

February 13th, 2017 at 8:11 PM ^

His hamstring injuries set him back. He missed his Senior HS season and RS Freshman season due to his hamstring injuries. Two straight years without ball has an effect. His body was also behind in getting mature and strong to handle the physicality in Big Ten ball. His skills are serious. We saw glimpses this year. Another year of strength training and he could absolutely have a breakout year. Doesn't he have two years left?

BeatOSU52

February 13th, 2017 at 11:37 PM ^

I went to his alma matter so got to see quite a few of his games, and you're right, I saw him torch some excellent compeition such as Cincinatti Moehler.  I was a bit suprised to him know (correct me if I'm wrong on this) not get any snaps in the Orange Bowl.  I guess I figured he'd get some playing time with Perry out, but the coaching staff very strongly preferred Crawford over him.   I guess they probably really liked Crawford's blocking skills, but I was looking forward to see Drake Harris improve on some mid-season games where he was getting a lot of playing time and showed some potential that he belongs out there.

Number 7

February 14th, 2017 at 11:01 AM ^

Gedeon went from perhaps the biggest question mark on the defense to leading one of hte best M defenses in modern memory in tackles (107) and TFL (15.5, tied with Peppers).  Unlike other leading tackles on Bo's or Carr's great defenses, Gedeon had had unremarkable production up to his senior year:  60 tackles, 5.5 TFL spread out over the previous 3 years.

MGoBender

February 13th, 2017 at 4:36 PM ^

When I was a senior in high school, my parents got me a ten-game ticket package for Michigan basketball that covered the conference portion of the schedule. This was 2005-06, when it looked like this could finally be the year that Tommy Amaker’s squad snapped the tourney drought.

Dude, are you me? My dad did the exact same thing - got me the B10 10-game package that year for christmas.

That Dee Brown vs. Daniel Horton game was epic.

The Claw

February 13th, 2017 at 4:52 PM ^

Eric was the #2 ranked recruit in the nation coming out of high school, only behind #1 David Taylor, who went 2-1-2-1 at the NCAA Championship and would probably represent the USA in the Olympics at 74kg if it weren't for one Jordan Burroughs and Kyle Dake.

Back to Eric. He was a 4x State champ from Florida.  Never was beat in High School.  Won a ton of National tourneys.  Michigan grabs him.

And he doesn't do much. He redshirts then goes 18-14, 20-8, 24-9. Not bad records but gets beat in the blood round and never places.  This is a kid who was suppsoed to compete for NCAA titles!

Senior year is again up and down.  Ended it 26-11 but he finally turned it on at the NCAA's. beat some tough oppenents and in the onnly match he lost, I remember there was a toss up call that didn't go his way.  Finished 3rd and the happiness on his face was unbelieveable.

I loved watching Eric wrestle. Kind of funky and was never out of it.  Thanks for the great memories Eric. I was one of your biggest fans.