Tuesday Recruitin' Comment Count

Brian

Update 7/14: Linked to articles on OH DT Terry Talbott, PA OL Robbie Havenstein, CA S Sean Parker, OH OL Skyler Schofner, OH S Latwan Anderson, FL RB Corvin Lamb, SC QB Cornelius Jones, MI P Mike Sadler, CA LB Tony Jefferson, PA DT Sharrif Floyd, MN OL Seantrel Henderson (and PA S Brandon Ifill), CT LB Khari Fortt.

Video of SC QB commit Cornelius Jones.

Helmholdt on the tailbacks and such. MI QB Devin Gardner makes the Elite 11. MI RB Austin White decides Wednesday. This story isn't really about OH CB commit Courtney Avery.

Added FL RB Brandon Gainer.

Removed FL DE Delvin Jones, OH OL Andrew Donnal (Iowa), OH OL Travis Jackson (MSU), TX LB Corey Nelson (A&M).

Some links from Bleed Scarlet.

Happy Trails

Jones was a tremendous longshot from day one and Jackson camped at Michigan but failed to get an offer. BFDs—sarcastic BFDs—both.

OH OL Andrew Donnal, on the other hand, is a highly-regarded kid and should have been one of Michigan's priorities at tackle this fall; he's now off the board. And TX LB Corey Nelson had Michigan as his leader for about ten minutes in March, but Michigan quickly fell off the radar. Linebacker options are thinning.

Imminent, Impending, Etc.

aUSTIN wHITE

MI RB Austin White has a decision date, which according to Sam Webb is tomorrow. The status as of a week ago when Tom VanHaaren caught up with White:

I talk to Coach Rod Smith and Jackson the most. I really like that I’ve built a good relationship with all the coaches, not just my position coaches. It’s good to get to know all of them, and see that they all have the same goals. That’s kind of what has them [Michigan] as my favorite.

White's currently sporting blue on the recruiting board. The LSU visit did not come off and State's opinion of their chance became clear when they offered Nick Hill. Everyone expects he will put on a block M hat tomorrow.

The Spartan spin machine will get engaged now; I can't wait to hear what Valenti and the rest of the short bus crowd come up with to explain State losing a guy who's got two brothers on the MSU team and was the preferred choice of both instate schools.

Done, or no?

With TX RBs Stephen Hopkins and Tony Drake in the bag—though a lot of people are saying Drake will end up a slot receiver woo don't we need some more receivers—and the likely addition of White, Michigan is close to done at tailback. There are still a couple guys out there that Michigan would just about have to make room for, though.

One, FL RB Eduardo Clements, camped at Michigan, claims an even top three of Miami, Georgia, and Michigan, and has seen Georgia take two high-rated tailback commits in recent weeks. Even so, most observers think Michigan remains a longshot. An official visit is on tap if his recruitment goes that long.

The other is a new, surprising name: FL RB Brandon Gainer. He's got a top two that includes M:

… Gainer is a true running back prospect and ranked as the No. 12 player at the position nationally by Rivals.com. Michigan has made a big jump on his list in the last few months and now joins Florida State atop his list. He plans to take an official visit to Michigan this fall and decide soon after where he will attend school.

Gainer's name had hardly come up before that announcement, so I don't know much about him yet. He's a member of the Rivals 250.

White's commitment will likely end the recruitment of everyone else, including two more Florida tailbacks: Corvin Lamb now says LSU leads($) and Cassius McDowell always seemed like a plan B option.

Your Verging-On-Creepy Gardner Update

Have I gone a week without mentioning enormous, fleet-footed, charming, handsome MI QB Devin Gardner? No? Well, this won't be the week either. Gardner's made the Elite "11"* passing camp:

Devin Gardner (Committed to Michigan)
Gardner is raw and mechanically unorthodox, but he's extremely productive and talented. Plus he possesses a great work ethic-- he wants to be good. Gardner is big, athletic and the perfect fit for the spread with upside to develop and refine his passing skills.

The usual, right? At the very least Gardner's invite provides another venue via which to scout and compare Michigan's prize against the rest of the country's top recruits, including fellow instate quarterbacks Robert Bolden and Joe Boisture. If Gardner comes out of the camp on par with the rest of those guys that's a major win since the remainder of the invitees aren't 6'5" gazelles. (Except maybe for 'Bama commit Phillip Sims (Not That Phil Simms).)

That Other Guy

cornelius-jones-spartanburg

Michigan does have another quarterback committed: South Carolina's Cornelius Jones. Jones has been a mystery man thus far in his recruitment, ignored by the in-state schools and devoid of video or rankings on the recruiting sites. That void of information has begun to be filled. Unfortunately, I can't embed AthleteVault's highlight video, but it does exist and you can check it out. All you can tell is he's got the usual athleticism.

Meanwhile, his local paper has been giving Jones some attention of late. His Spartanburg team flew to the final of a local 7-on-7 tournament thanks in large part to his play:

“Cornelius made some phenomenal throws,” [Spartanburg HC Freddie] Brown said. “Defensively, Coach (Mark) Razzano made some good calls in tight situations, and the kids made some big plays with games on the line.”

Along the way Spartanburg downed big programs like Olive Branch (Miss.), Hoover (Ala.), and Independence (NC). In the final,  Spartanburg fell to a loaded Byrnes team that features like three top-100 recruits, including Marcus Lattimore.

And a little earlier the same paper took a look at Jones' redemption story:

“I just was surrounded by a bunch of negative things. I was getting in trouble,” Jones said. “I never saw myself being around any of this (now).”

Jones was out of the public school system for 18 months as a result of his troubles.

At some point he woke up, decided he didn't like the direction things were going in, and hooked up with Spartanburg's new head coach—the previous coach had banned him from the team. From there, it was one highlight video and Michigan had an offer for him. He'll be a kid to root for once he arrives, and he will: despite his time in the wilderness Jones has a 3.7 GPA.

Pairing Up

Michigan's in a good spot with PA S Brandon Ifill, who's yet to visit Michigan's campus but still says this about his leaders:

When asked if he has a favorite school, Ifill said, "It's probably between Michigan and Maryland. I've been to Maryland twice. I feel comfortable with the coaching staff. Michigan has been recruiting me the longest. Coach (Rich) Rodriguez has been recruiting me since he was at West Virginia."

Ifill's scheduled an unofficial at the end of the month, at which point we'll have a better grasp on how much mutual interest there is between the parties. Ifill is the teammate of PA CB Cullen Christian, who maintained a loud and proud Michigan lead for months now, and the pair could extend Rodriguez's streak of locking down teammates to a third year.

That article has some less salutary news, too…

Seantrel?

MN OL Seantrel Henderson's dad says his son has a slate of officials he's planning. They don't include Michigan:

"I know his five official visits. He will definitely visit Ohio State, Oklahoma, USC and Florida. Florida State is one that could change. He might decide to visit somewhere else besides Florida State. He could visit both the Florida schools or he might just take one to Florida."  …

When asked about the four definite official visits, Seantrel said, "That might change, but right now that's it. Florida State might be the fifth one."

Urgh. One way to look at the schedule: he's going to places he hasn't gone to before and can't afford to get to on his own time. Michigan, Notre Dame, and Minnesota did get mentions amongst the "six to eight" schools Henderson is still considering, and Henderson has already been to all three of those. As we're about to see with a kid in California, sometimes the lack of an official isn't all that telling about who leads.

That's more boosterism for the local school, though, and if that visit schedule isn't modified to include Michigan I doubt Henderson ends up at M.

*(taking a page from the Big 10, the Elite 11 actually invites 12 quarterbacks but chooses the name that sounds cooler.)

West Coast Folk

A couple of highly-touted Californians have announced plans to take officials to Michigans. CA S Sean Parker sort of has a top two:

"I'm going to Notre Dame (Sept. 4)," Parker said. "I'm also setting a visit to Michigan, but I haven't locked in the date yet. After that, I'm pretty open and really don't know who will get my last three visits but I do plan to take all five."

Aaaand CA LB Tony Jefferson sort of has a top seven:

"I have my first two visits lined up right now," Jefferson said. "I'm going to Florida (Sept. 18) and Oklahoma (Nov. 13). My last three visits will be to Notre Dame, Michigan and Penn State and I'll do unofficial visits to USC and UCLA.

Jefferson claims everyone wants him as a safety so I might have to move him in the near future; he claims early playing time is extremely important and that's why big early leader USC has dropped back to the field.

Parker, who's stated he would like to get out of the state several times, is a considerably more likely option. Either would be a strong addition to the class.

Punting With Birds In

MI P Mike Sadler has picked up a State offer and now bears an impressive list:

Last week, Michigan State offered punter Mike Sadler (Grand Rapids Forest Hills Northern). With the offer, the Spartans joined the likes of Alabama, LSU, Purdue, Northwestern and the Air Force Academy, all schools which had already offered him a scholarship.

Meanwhile, Michigan appears to be chasing WI P Will Hagerup above all others. Sadler grew up a Michigan fan and had some quotes earlier in the year that suggested an offer would be highly likely to end up in a commit, but if Michigan keeps holding off there's always the chance he gets ticked off and heads elsewhere. Apparently Sadler had a rough outing in front of Michigan's coaches but with specialists, especially punters, I'd trust a half-dozen other teams' evaluations over one or two afternoons.

I hope Michigan tells Hagerup they'll give him a brief window in which to commit before they offer Sadler; I'd rather take the almost-as-meaty bird that would really like to leap into your hand than the Wisconsonian in the bush. Eh… you know what I mean.

Defensive Tacklin'

OH DT Terry Talbott had been reported as a Michigan offeree earlier, but apparently that's not quite the case:

“I know Wisconsin has offered me, Purdue and Illinois, a couple more Big Ten schools, UCLA, Kentucky, Arkansas, and North Carolina State too.  Michigan hasn’t really offered me yet.  I’m just trying to see when I can get a chance to come up there.  We’re having trouble with our cars, but I want to come up and visit.”

Talbott has a (slightly) younger brother who's a cornerback; naturally they'd like to go to the same school. As per usual, a visit will tell.

Etc.: CT LB Khari Fortt remains a considerable longshot but this article claims he's got a visit to Michigan planned and where there's a visit there's a (vague, probably not worth mentioning) chance. PA DT Sharrif Floyd has Michigan in his top six but Penn State sounds like the leader. OH S Latwan Anderson still favors WVU. OH OL Skyler Schofner hasn't heard from M "in a while"; may not be a priority.

Comments

Michigan Arrogance

July 14th, 2009 at 10:37 AM ^

I'd trust a half-dozen other teams' evaluations over one or two afternoons.
does this not apply to other positions? like say RB? like say, in the case of nick hill who camped, showed meh-ly, and M subsequently passed on? in general, we tend to trust the camp offers but how much should be trust a camp offer given it's inherently small sample size?

Ziff72

July 14th, 2009 at 10:45 AM ^

Henderson+Buckeyes=!#$^@#%^@%$ I really like the way our OL is looking so I'm not too upset if we drop off the radar, but no Buckeyes please. Hadn't heard them mentioned much in his recruitment.

redcedar87

July 14th, 2009 at 11:45 AM ^

http://mgoblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/sparty-no.html "If there was ever going to be a year in which Michigan State wrested instate recruiting from Michigan, this would be it." "Indeed, Rodriguez, who hopes to have a spring game at Ford Field and will invite every coach in the state to come to his frequent clinics and camps and finished his first recruiting class with a flourish, will have to fear Michigan State's insane short-joke-making curmudgeon. Because Jesus, man... they got a guy! This is what you need to know about Michigan State's class: its second-best guy would be Michigan's 18th, and this year is the first time in 40 years Michigan changed coaches. Meet the new boss, little brother." That whole article is fantastic - what a difference a year makes. Back to the topic at hand: losing White is definitely a disappointment. I think Hill will be good, though, and last year's RB class of Baker/Caper was very strong. I don't think you can spin it as a devastating blow to MSU's class.

ShockFX

July 14th, 2009 at 9:26 PM ^

Maybe you should wait until February before you judge this class sir. It's still really, really early. Also, White has offers from LSU, Illinois, Iowa, Wisco. Hill has offers from Eastern, Central, Kent State, Toledo, and Stanford. I think, for a guy with 2 brothers at State and a long presumed MSU lock, this is a pretty decent body blow. It's not the boom headshot losing Gholston would have been, but it's pretty serious nonetheless.

Coach

July 14th, 2009 at 11:57 AM ^

Last summer Austin said that he wanted to play against his brothers in college, so I don't think that his brothers playing for State was ever an advantage for MSU. And it's kind of weak to bag on State fans for recruiting spin, when Michigan fans do the exact same thing.

WolvinLA

July 14th, 2009 at 12:43 PM ^

Michigan fans don't "spin" our recruiting, because it's actually better. State fans make claims like "more in-state recruits," "more head to head recruiting battles," or other subjective claims to imply that their lower rated classes are, in reality, better than ours. We have said things like "look at how many more talented players we have." That may be boastful, but it isn't spin.

WolvinLA

July 14th, 2009 at 1:31 PM ^

Your username implies that you're an M fan, but every comment I see of yours is ripping the team of the fanbase. Either way... This blog is uncharacteristically objective for a site with a clear team bias. Both Brian and the posters are good about this. When it comes to UM v. MSU recruiting, most of the national experts agree that UM's classes are better, in general, than MSU. This isn't spin, it's unbiased ratings. The comments that get the most criticism, actually, are the clearly homer comments like "we didn't want him anyway" when a recruit chooses MSU or elsewhere. When I think of "spin" I think of making a point sound positive, when on it's face it does not. Instead of saying "all major services rated M's 2009 class many spots ahead of MSU's," an MSU fan will say things like "we dominated instate recruiting" or "MSU's recruiting is improving by leaps and bounds as opposed to Michigan's" to make it seem like they haven't actually been outdone. That's what I'm trying to say.

WolvinLA

July 14th, 2009 at 3:06 PM ^

OK, I forgot MSU kid would be reading this. I'll slow down. The blog has a team bias. It's not a general sports blog, it's a University of Michigan blog. In that sense, it has affiliation. However, it's not a homer blog. Although it has overt fan affiliation with UM, it strives (and usually succeeds) to report UM sports news objectively. Do you see the distinction?

redcedar87

July 14th, 2009 at 4:16 PM ^

Biased UM kid thinks this is the most unbiased blog with a bias. Let me put this in terms that you can understand. It's kind of like being the coolest Internet message board commenter; you're still not cool by any real standard. Likewise, mgoblog is not very objective when viewed through the lens of another fanbase. Let me know if that's still too complicated of a simple argument for you.

WolvinLA

July 14th, 2009 at 5:03 PM ^

OK. You're looking at the wrong words. The blog is biased not in that it prints only pro-UM articles, but in that it clearly follows one particular team. It is objective in that it tells both the positive and negative aspects of the program. You haven't been reading long if you think everything said here is positive regarding the program. Brian has said when we play a shitty game, coaches make poor decisions or we sign a guy that we shouldn't. I'm going way too far into this. Think the blog sucks, I don't care. Brian appreciates the hits.

mejunglechop

July 15th, 2009 at 12:40 AM ^

Yes, we mostly want to follow stories that relate to Michigan football. No, this isn't the same as losing perspective. Yes, the word bias can be used to describe both scenarios above. No, that doesn't make them the same thing.

zoltan the destroyer

July 14th, 2009 at 2:49 PM ^

I love Michigan, but I hate stupidity. You made a false statement- 'Michigan fans don't "spin" recruiting'- I strongly disagree. We, as a fanbase, are no different than any other- some reasonable, some not. Your other points about specific examples of MSU spin are legit. Your statements about Brian and posters being uncharacteristically objective are laughable. This is a blog run by someone who openly rips "mainstream media" for presenting sports too objectively. Again, some posters are indeed objective at times, but to deny any "spin" by a fan of the University is stupid.

WolvinLA

July 14th, 2009 at 3:10 PM ^

I never denied any spin by any fan, but thanks for calling me stupid. I try to have a debate without name calling. If you truly think that, with regards to recruiting, our fanbase is no different than any other, I suppose we disagree far too much to even have the discussion. You have also failed to site even one example of how this blog or our fanbase spins recruiting. Do you think Brian rips the mainstream media for presenting sports too objectively? Do you have any reason to say that?

zoltan the destroyer

July 14th, 2009 at 3:58 PM ^

You wrote- 'Michigan fans don't "spin" recruiting'- I pointed out that this is a stupid statement. I didn't call you stupid. Relax. Brian rips mainstream media for objectivity, exhibit A: http://mgoblog.com/content/10-reasons-your-mother-unverified-voracity I won't site [sic] any specific examples of recruiting spin, there are plenty of examples on the blog and the board. Check it out: http://mgoblog.com/search/node/recruiting I failed to provide specific citations b/c I wasn't offered any as an argument. Perhaps you can site [sic] some specific examples of objectivity? If you don't want to debate, that's cool, too. Just agree to disagree.

BlueBulls

July 14th, 2009 at 1:20 PM ^

I think that fans on all sides spin things to make themselves feel better. The issue I think Brian was getting at, and that I have a problem with too, is when sportscasters that are supposed to be informing spin news toward their bias. This blog is obvious partisan, but I think that most "spin" is labelled as such by our fearless leader.

Coach

July 14th, 2009 at 2:45 PM ^

Not at all what I was referring to, and probably not what Brian was referring to either. I'm talking about when fans make up bullshit reasons for why they never wanted a particular recruit, and why not getting him isn't a problem. This type of spin is rampant in every fanbase, so to me it seems stupid to single out Sparty for it. BTW, I do agree with what you said.

rlc

July 14th, 2009 at 1:02 PM ^

we can see our linemen in the second level this year! In the CoJo(Cornelius Jones) highlight film his blockers were dominating the linebackers on the zone read. Go Blue!

Clarence Beeks

July 14th, 2009 at 11:22 PM ^

I completely agree. I'm looking forward to watching both schools. Already have the Spartanburg-Byrnes game on my calendar. We just moved to Jones' district (i.e. Spartanburg HS), and are really looking forward to going to the games this year. BRIAN - From everything I've been able to gather locally down here his name is NOT Cornelius, but rather Conelius (i.e. no "r"). Just an FYI.

Garvie Craw

July 14th, 2009 at 3:59 PM ^

The Spartans have always gotten players from the state, but now they're getting more of the top players who would have probably gone to Michigan or elsewhwere in the past. Dantonio has taken advantage of the transition to Rodriguez, who is also recruiting a different type of player than Lloyd in some cases, the media's pile-on, and last year's 3-9 record. However, Rich is opening pipelines to Ohio and Florida that should help in the future when the in-state talent isn't so impressive. I still don't see Michigan State being a big player in out-state recruiting. If and when it gets turned around on the field, the Wolverines should be dominant in-state again.

MechEng97

July 15th, 2009 at 8:06 AM ^

So we got White - Sam Webb is killing it. Now adding commitment announcements to his roundup...Good stuff. I love hearing the recruiting roundup on my way to work and hitting the MGoBlog at lunchtime. Best QB, RB, and WR in the state going to Michigan. Nice work RRod.