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Season Kickoff Mailbag Part 2: Mr Worldwide Comment Count

Brian August 22nd, 2019 at 11:16 AM

Who on this team will win the Pitbull Mr. Worldwide Trophy?

Important! First we must define the parameters of the Pitbull Mr. Worldwide Trophy:

  • Mr. Worldwide must be versatile. Mr. Worldwide must impact as many facets as the game as possible. This means different things for different positions—a Peppers type is always going to have an advantage, but if an OL catches a pass? Forget about it. Advantage: Mike Sainristil, Ben Mason, Josh Uche.
  • Mr. Worldwide must make his teammates better. Pretty much every Pitbull song is featuring someone else, and he is the greatest emcee in history. This favors unsung heroes who pave the way for their compatriots, whether that's a fullback blocking for his teammates, a center telling folks what to do, a safety doing the same, or a defensive tackle allowing his linebackers to grab the glory. Advantage: Mike Onwenu, Josh Metellus, Cesar Ruiz.
  • Mr. Worldwide must be cool against stiff odds. Pitbull is essentially a cave salamander who is a famous rapper. I don't want to see his high school yearbook photo. Do you have Kenny G hair? A hyphenated name? Tourette's syndrome? This is your award. Advantage: Ben Mason, Jordan Glasgow, Donovan Peoples-Jones.
  • Mr. Worldwide must enjoy spending time under highway overpasses. Advantage: Julius Welschof.

My favorites for the award—which is now very, very real and will be tracked in game columns—are Sainristil, Ruiz, Uche, and Peoples-Jones.

[After THE JUMP: Gattis timelines, I have not played XCom 2]

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not one and done [Bryan Fuller]

How long does Josh Gattis remain in Ann Arbor provided that things go well?

-GS

After Maryland hired DJ Durkin based on not a whole hell of a lot I'm leery to project a long-term anything. Gattis is probably going to be around for a little bit, though. Gattis has the Locksley thing hanging over him; Locksley got hired on the assumption his offense was, you know, his. Gattis will have to spend some time disproving that if he's going to get a head job, and that'll take some time.

The main way Gattis exits early is if a school with connections to him 1) needs a coach and 2) can convince him to take the job. The teams Gattis coached or played for:

  • Alabama: nope!
  • Penn State: Frames Janklin jokes aside, PSU is unlikely to be in the market for a coach in the near future.
  • Vanderbilt: probably the biggest threat since they can throw SEC money around and cycle through coaches in a flash. If Gattis is really successful he might be inclined to let it ride and take the Tom Herrman route instead.
  • WMU: Michigan can pay him more to be OC, probably.
  • Wake Forest: a deathtrap job that can't bring the dollars Vandy can.

It seems likely that Gattis will be leaving Michigan at the point where he can get a mid-level or better P5 job that he has no connections to. That's in the 3-5 year range.

What would you expect out of the run game in a optimistic, but reasonable scenario for this offense (particularly against the non-meatballs of the schedule)?

Something like 15 RB carries, 5 QB carries, and 10 screens which are technically passes but functionally runs?

-Andrew

Assuming "screens" don't include touch passes which are functionally end-arounds that number of bonafide runs is unrealistically low. A quick sanity check against Texas Tech—121st in run rate last year—shows that the Red Raiders ran just under half the time and averaged 29 QB/RB carries per game. (They did not run a single WR carry all year.) And Michigan is not going to be anywhere near the Texas Tech extreme.

Further complicating things is the fact that almost all of Michigan's QB carries last year were dictated by the defense and weren't QB draws or power. The QB/RB ratio is often more dependent on what the defense does unless you really force it; Michigan won't do that with Patterson. Instead they will prefer to give the ball and take what yards the defense gives the QB.

So. A reasonably up-tempo passing-oriented, Harbaugh-exists offense will have something more like 30-40 carries from the QB and RB, with 5-8 of those being pulls from Patterson. Screens may not be that prevalent since RPOs are rarely screens.

Brian,

How do you set expectations for the program now and going forward now that we live in a world where Ohio State is no longer coached by their most successful head coach in program history? I have a hard time imagining they'll drop-off quickly unless Justin Fields doesn't work out, and their recruiting appears to have already bounced back to elite levels after one eh year. They're going to continue being ridiculously talented - slightly moreso than Michigan - until further notice.

That said, it's hard not to notice a few creaks in the death star already. Mattison was an okay hire for them, and their defense will surely improve because of it, but it feels like a high floor low ceiling hire. Failing to retain any other viable QB once you brought in Fields feels like a mistake Meyer never would have made, but Day managed to run everyone else off over the offseason (while failing to recruit one in this past class) to clear the way for a guy who's never started a college football game in his life. I'm getting flashbacks to some of Brady Hoke's worst roster decisions.

Is that a very faint light I see at the end of this tunnel, or is it yet another train?

Thanks,
Caleb

Any new hire brings with it the chance of implosion, unless it's Urban Meyer after a siesta. Ohio State hiring Day is the best case scenario. Jim Tressel had been a very successful Youngstown State coach for 15 years before OSU hired him. Meyer had two national titles. Day… has been an offensive coordinator for a few years. There is no realistic head coaching hire OSU could make who would be less proven. And when that guy brings in a 70-year old and an NFL position coach to be co-DCs, well, that's a crack in the foundation.

Day still has the Urban Meyer machine to pilot and may get through it, but the chance that OSU does not take a step back after losing Meyer is very small. And this year it's Michigan who can confidently put in their backup should the need arise. All of OSU's eggs are in the Fields basket, so if he doesn't work out or gets hurt there's a cliff out there.

I vote light.

If Ambry Thomas is able to come back by the Wisconsin game and start the back half of the season, defensive tackle. If he's done for the year, cornerback. If Michigan can defend the run in the 3-3-5, cornerback either way.

I have not played XCom 2 but most tactical squad games are all about line of sight control: applying multiple troopers worth of shooting while exposing yourself to one hopefully-about-to-be-dead opponent. Smoke grenades are underrated.

The focus on Brandon Watson getting torched, which this site is as guilty of as any other, is only part of the story. The other part—possibly the main part—is the fact that Michigan's ~national best pass rush almost literally did not touch Dwayne Haskins all game. Don Brown has made it clear that he is maniacal about pressure. So what happens when the maniacal pressure guy gets no pressure? That.

Also sometimes, I mean… you know:

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Sometimes Brown ran into an NFL quarterback at BC and it didn't go that well. That was 2015, when Brown had the best defense in the country. It's 2019, sometimes a quarterback and some 6'5" impalas set you on fire and you have to keep pace.

Michigan has not been set up to win shootouts, so they lose shootouts. Hopefully that changes, and the offense does some of the heavy lifting in big games.

I do remember that. It is unfair to refer to this as a "Twitter" "meltdown." I was laying on the floor of my apartment with American cheese on my elbow, drinking both tea and some unholy gin concoction as I hallucinated horrible things, all of which turned out to be accurate. This was IRL, baby.

I prefer to think of it as a Prescient Awareness Of Football Future. I saw the threads of time, and they sucked. My acts were entirely rational. The elbow cheese was perfect. I experienced all the things I feared I would experience. They were as awful as I expected. That moment in 2010 is the closest I will ever be to the Kwisatz Haderach.

Anyway, no.

There is no Michigan player whose exit will cause James Rogers—a wide receiver who couldn't change direction if you gave him a map to Zendaya's house and a swift kick in the ass—to be a starting cornerback. There is no Michigan player who will cause Denard Robinson to be wasted like so many dreads in the breeze. There is no Michigan player who will cause Dave Brandon to hire Brady Hoke in the near future.

Michigan's footballing is secured for a decade or more. It's going to be very good. Michigan's going to have to beat Ohio State, sure. But at no point do I feel like this program is a meticulously planned domino run exposed to some dumbass Godzilla. Named Dave.

This question is over!

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Black did give someone the business this spring [Patrick Barron]

What's going on with Tarik Black? Supposedly he was the #1 receiver last season, but he barely got any targets after the returned to the lineup, and I haven't heard anything about him in fall camp.

— Jonathan Chait (@jonathanchait) August 20, 2019

Black was probably pretty rusty at the tail end of last year so it was hard to break through when Peoples-Jones and Collins are the top of the depth chart. Doubly so when Michigan's tempo and offensive approach meant that almost nobody got a proper number of targets. Nico Collins got ten more targets that MSU's Connor Heyward. I mean.

Camp talk seems mostly focused on Ronnie Bell and Cornelius Johnson, two guys who are going to get maybe 50 targets between them. I'm not sure how to interpret the relatively light talk about Black. Neither of his injuries were the variety that should impact him going forward, and even last year he was supposedly a hair ahead of Peoples-Jones.

I still think he'll be the clear #3 outside guy and get almost as many catches as DPJ and Collins, but I'm less confident in that prediction as camp moves along.

Comments

ST3

August 22nd, 2019 at 11:36 AM ^

My favorite award from sports telecasts past was the Taco Bell Unsung Player of the Game. Brandon Inge and Tayshaun Prince owned that award.

J.

August 22nd, 2019 at 11:38 AM ^

a wide receiver who couldn't change direction if you gave him a map to Zendaya's house and a swift kick in the ass

That's gold, Jerry.  Gold!

ERdocLSA2004

August 22nd, 2019 at 11:49 AM ^

I don’t know if you came up with this Pitbull award but I have never thought of Pitbull in this way (or thought of him at all) but it’s brilliant and 100% accurate.  Well done.

lsjtre

August 22nd, 2019 at 12:02 PM ^

Just searched up that Troy Woolfolk post and it brought back too many ugly ugly memories and the little-known despair that was impending from that season and many others afterward. Thankful that time is behind us.

ShadowStorm33

August 22nd, 2019 at 12:03 PM ^

The comments on pass rush vs OSU almost make me more nervous overall. Losing Winovich and Gary, having DTs that aren’t projected to generate much pass rush, having a less athletic CB group overall, etc. At least we still have Uche, and hopefully guys like Danna, Hutchinson, maybe Vilain, etc. step up. Otherwise a lack of pass rush could amplify the weakness at CB. 

EastCoast_Wolv…

August 22nd, 2019 at 12:38 PM ^

I get that concern, but also think that in some ways our roster makeup last year made a game like the OSU game inevitable from a defensive standpoint.

To borrow an analogy from RPS, our Rock (organic pass rush from Gary & Winovich combined with man coverage from Hill & Long) was good enough to beat everybody's scissors, was stronger than most teams' rock, and was even strong enough to blast through the majority of teams' paper. So we got into the habit of throwing rock every turn because we didn't need anything else. Then when we finally ran up against a team whose paper was thick enough to cover our rock, we didn't have a strong enough scissors. 

To wrap up the analogy, I think that having a weaker rock will force Don Brown to come up with more creative paper and scissors strategies, and could ultimately help us in the long run.

jdemille9

August 22nd, 2019 at 1:28 PM ^

I agree it 'should' lead to a more creative use of scissors and paper. He had to get creative last year and that led to less Bush blitzes which resulted in less pressure and aggression and that showed up when we let Haskins sit back and pick us apart. 

I'm all for Brown and his aggression and I hope and pray that these mentions of 'schematic changes' means he's implemented some zone concepts to mask the lack of interior pressure the DL won't (likely) be generating, so he can blitz his LB's more then that should be creative enough. 

He can still be aggressive, and we know he wants to be even moreso, but with only Hill and some guys on the edge and no known Hurst-types on the interior, and thus the need to blitz the LB's more, I see no way this D survives the elite teams unless he has some zone concepts practiced and ready to go. 

I have faith in Don Brown to make the necessary adjustments, especially after the OSU debacle. But I'm gonna be in wait and see mode until the end of November before I believe it. 

ShadowStorm33

August 22nd, 2019 at 1:34 PM ^

Hopefully. 

I get that it’s cliched to talk about one team wanting it more, but I definitely got that feeling from OSU last year. We knew exactly what their offense was going to do, yet we trotted out our base defense and expected to stop it. By contrast, from admittedly what little I remember of that game, they were prepared for us. Brian’s talked about how we got no pressure whatsoever, and the Gary and Winovich injuries are front and center there. But Brown is supposed to be this mad scientist of evil blitzes, and nobody seems to mention that our blitzes were uniformly stonewalled. It was like they had been preparing for our defense all season, Dantonio style, knew exactly what was coming, and we had no response. 

I get you don’t want to overlook opponents, and maybe over preparing for us and overlooking some teams the past few seasons led to OSU’s losses to Iowa and Purdue (and scares against Nebraska and Maryland). But if I could trade a loss to a random West division team (say Purdue in 2017, and Wisconsin or Nebraska last year) for a win over OSU, I’d take that trade in a heartbeat.

The Homie J

August 22nd, 2019 at 5:16 PM ^

I haven't been able to find a concrete answer to this, but there seemed to be a rumor last year that Ohio State spent a majority of the last month of practices preparing for us, almost exclusively.  Based on game results, that certainly seems to be the case, given how utterly bamboozled they were by Maryland and Nebraska, yet super locked in they were for us.

I know they already dedicate part of daily practice to us, but I think they really went above and beyond last year because they knew the threat we posed.  While we did well in 2016 & 2017, I've never seen any sort of comment from the staff or players that we spend any extra time on them.  It seems we treat them like any other opponent, waiting until that week to really dive in.  I could be wrong, but we never seem to know them better than any of their other opponents.  I mean, Maryland had them so well scouted, they were popping off huge gains on simple outside runs.

curl06

August 22nd, 2019 at 1:03 PM ^

I'm with you. I hate to even say this, for fear of being way off, but the one glimmer of hope is that it SEEMS that OSU's WRs won't have the same speed this year. Their 2 deeps is mostly guys in the 4.5 range (based on their 40 times on their recruting profiles) instead of those 2 guys in the 4.3 range they had last year.

maize-blue

August 22nd, 2019 at 2:06 PM ^

I listened to an OSU breakdown on the Sam Webb show and OSU is really solid at WR, maybe even a little more depth than Michigan. It's the strength of their offense.

Dobbins sounds like the primary ball carrier. He and Fields will probably account for a majority of their rushing yards.

Day wants a passing offense but Fields may be better suited to the past OSU running QB offenses. I think they'll have no choice but to run him.

curl06

August 26th, 2019 at 9:51 AM ^

Do you have a reliable source on KJ Hill being a 4.3 guy? He had like a 4.62 at SPARQ coming out of high school. and a recent article from Land Grant Holy that I found in a quick google (below) states he is not a 4.3 guy. So just curious what you're basing this on?

 

https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2019/8/23/20688534/k-j-hill-ohio-state-wide-receiver-silent-superstar

jimmyshi03

August 22nd, 2019 at 12:04 PM ^

On Frames, I do think, as long as there’s the possibility of an opening at SC in the near future, there’s a chance he leaves. If they have a representative year, like 9-3 with a win over one of MSU, OSU, or Michigan, he’s a very serious candidate, especially if Urban decides to sit out a bit longer.

jdemille9

August 22nd, 2019 at 1:19 PM ^

SC as in Southern Cal? If so, why the hell would they even entertain James Franklin?! When they let go of Helton I'd imagine they know they need to target a high profile guy, not Franklin. For all the talk about Harbaugh's record against rivals and top teams, Franklin has been abysmal, 3-12 vs. M, MSU and OSU. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Franklin has been a middling HC at PSU, yes sanctions and all but the back to back 11-win seasons reverted back to the mean after Moorhead left, I'd expect more of the same this year and going forward.

If you're USC you hire a guy who has already taken elite programs to the next level; Urban Meyer. 

Urban Meyer is/should be, USC's #1 target. 

TrueBlue2003

August 22nd, 2019 at 1:39 PM ^

I mean, they hired Helton so hard to poo poo on them entertaining Franklin. 

I think bias is getting in the way a bit here about Franklin too.

He's a pretty big name in coaching.  He recruits well.  He's made some smart hires.  And he's had on-field success. His last three years are collectively better than Michigan's last three years: two 11 win seasons, an average of one more win per season than Michigan (10.3 to 9.3), a win over OSU, and a division and B1G title.  It's very hard to call him a middling HC based on recent performance unless you think Harbaugh is also a middling HC.

I know we like to make fun of his in-game gaffes, but those negligibly impact a team compared to recruiting and hiring.

Maybe it was all Joe Moorhead and McSorley and maybe he can't find a way to replace those guys but objectively, his track record looks pretty solid right now.

Eng1980

August 25th, 2019 at 9:42 AM ^

There appear to be more blue blood college programs than blue chip coaches.  Once you get past the three most likely or most desirable candidates you are left with anyone's guess and any number of candidates with obvious flaws or shortcomings in their resume or in the coaching performance.

enlightenedbum

August 22nd, 2019 at 12:08 PM ^

Brian: play XCOM2!  I know there are small children around and between them and football season you have probably no time, but still.  It's great.

Cliff: Grenades.  If you have a problem, throw a grenade at it.  If the grenade doesn't solve the problem, throw another grenade at it.

lorch_arsonist

August 22nd, 2019 at 12:19 PM ^

Love the mailbag. Two quibbles:

1) IMO, Mason has to be the favorite for Pitbull Mr. Worldwide. 

2) If things go well I'll be pleasantly surprised if we get a year 3 out of Gattis.

 

The Homie J

August 22nd, 2019 at 5:19 PM ^

I can't see more than 2.  That seems to be the norm these days for in-demand coaches.  Also, we experienced pretty heavy turnover after the 2016 season from guys looking to move on.  Even the "DC-for-life" Don Brown started entertaining offers after his first 2 years here, and was THIIIIS close to taking 1 this last offseason.

If it goes well at all, I expect Gattis to be gone in 2021.

Bodogblog

August 22nd, 2019 at 12:23 PM ^

I have a question. 

How much, if any, do we think MSU's defensive performance last year can be credited to teams being conservative on offense, because MSU's own offense was so bad? 

Michigan ran 53 times for 183 yards, 3.5 YPC.  And that was totally fine and made complete sense, even against the best run D in the country.  They took one deep shot, it worked, they got 14 points on the board and it was game over, knowing there was likely another TD or FG coming later.  Remember MSU only had 7 points because Evans fumbled on Michigan's 5 yard line.  And Nordin missed a FG.  This game should have been Michigan winning by at least 3 scores, the 94 yards vs. 400 yards total offense disparity speaks to that. 

Ohio State literally did almost nothing on offense, and just waited for MSU to fall apart.  No problem, that worked.  I mean, MSU had 12 first downs that game. 

Their defense was very good last year.  I'm just not sure if their horrendous offense meant teams backed off.  And they do lose their #2, #3, #5, and #8 leading tacklers from last year. 

maize-blue

August 22nd, 2019 at 12:58 PM ^

I'm not a buyer of MSU's defense. The way people talk about them it's as if they (MSU) don't even need to play offense at all.

I think they will be tough, they'll play hard. They have a good DT and DE but they won't be able to keep up with an offense that moves them side to side, up and down the field. Do they have backups/depth? Can they stay with 3 or 4 receivers?

If UM's offense pans out, Michigan wins by double digits and the game will probably be over once MSU falls behind by more than a TD. 

Unless their offense takes a historic leap forward this season all their defense will be good for is preventing them from taking blow out losses.

ShadowStorm33

August 22nd, 2019 at 1:08 PM ^

While I get it, I also hate this reasoning. It’s one thing in a hurricane or something, but otherwise you should never be saying, “ok, we got to 14, time to pack it in.” I get that MSU’s offense did nothing all day (that wasn’t gifted to them), but even then one score games are tense because your margin of error is just one mistake. 

It’s a good thing the D shut out NW after spotting them 17 last year, because our plodding, ball control offense took until just a few minutes left in the game to make it to 20. If NW had managed another score after the first quarter we lose that game. 

I’m so sick of playing tight and not to lose, and it’s backfired on us plenty of times. Really looking forward to Gattis hopefully opening things up in that respect. 

Bodogblog

August 22nd, 2019 at 2:32 PM ^

I think Harbaugh learned the lesson last year: today's football requires offense non-stop, and that's why Gattis. 

There is one argument that hates this about Michigan's approach to offensive football in 2018, and that's been had many times.  What I'm wondering above is how many teams made a choice in playing MSU to throttle back.  The offense they were facing was so bad, and the chances they score so low (relative to nearly any other offense), that taking a risk in your own territory was needless.  Turning the ball over on your side of the field meant giving a terrible offense an actual chance at scoring.  Why not run conservative, take a few strategic shots, see if anything pops for a big gain, and wait until later in the game to win.  Rutgers almost won with this exact strategy. Nebraska did win.  

What I can't really say is whether MSU's opponents throttled back.  Feelingsball and the risk-averse head coaching mindset in the B1G makes me think they did.