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hate_week_wolverineEssentials

WHAT Michigan vs Ohio State
WHERE Ohio Stadium, Columbus, OH
WHEN Noon Eastern, November 27th 2010
THE LINE OSU -17
TELEVISION National on ABC
WEATHER Mostly sunny, mid 30s
0% chance of rain

Image at right via reader Brian Walline.

Run Offense vs. Ohio State

You know, from skimming the Ohio State blogs in my reader I'd picked up a narrative of safety injuries and a somewhat disappointing performance from the defensive line that led me to believe the OSU defense was something less than its usual self. Then I go and check the stats as I do and they're third in rushing and total defense. They are fifth in pass defense. This is nationally, not in conference. So… not so much.

As anyone who's followed the Gordon Gee-Boise/TCU spat knows, a weak schedule has something to do with that. OSU has not played the Big Ten's #1, #4, or #5 offense and is the #2 offense.. They've had almost the kindest league schedule possible to date. However, in their matchup against #3 Wisconsin the Badgers only managed 330-some yards of offense; Iowa was held under 300. Do not be taken in by complaints about Orhian Johnson or fretting about freshman Christian Bryant—this is a smokescreen.

The sack-excluded numbers in the league (minus Indiana, which didn't seem even slightly relevant) reflect this:

Opponent Att Yards TD YPC
Illinois 33 136 1 4.1
Wisconsin 43 184 3 4.3
Purdue 24 52 0 2.2
Minnesota 26 103 1 4.0
Penn State 32 113 0 3.5
Iowa 23 97 1 4.2

College teams average 4.9 yards an attempt when you take out sacks; Ohio State has been somewhere between good and ridiculous through the Big Ten. This is not a huge surprise given the overall numbers.

Michigan's rushing offense is almost as shiny in the national stats at tenth. They have four triple option teams ahead of them—on a YPC basis they're fourth nationally. The last couple weeks opponents have really truly dared Denard Robinson to throw by putting a linebacker over the slot receiver and moving their safeties up into the box (Purdue) or just outside of it (Wisconsin). Rain and a crappy half for Robinson (plus a worse one for the defense) allowed both opponents to get away with their hyper-aggressive defenses. In the second half Robinson started hitting receivers who found themselves in single coverage deep and Michigan ripped off touchdowns on four of five drives, with the fifth headed inside the Wisconsin twenty before a Roundtree drop led to the inevitable batted-ball-to-INT combo.

There are risks involved with going so aggressive, especially when your safeties are indeed injury-plagued and young, and it doesn't seem like Tressel's style to go damn-the-torpedoes. It doesn't look like he'll have to, anyway, with those numbers above. I predicted Wisconsin would back off and Michigan's run game would bounce back. The former definitely didn't happen and the latter may have looked like it did but that relies heavily on a couple of meaningless draws at the end of the first half. This week, Ohio State probably will back off and it will be something like a fair fight on the ground.

Given OSU's results to date expecting something magnificent is foolhardy. The most relevant game above is probably the Illinois game, in which heavy wind and Nathan Scheelhaase's youth—that was his first Big Ten start—gave the Buckeyes an idea of what was coming before the snap. Michigan does have a better rushing offense than the Illini—they're about eight tenths of a yard to the good—and should provide more threat through the air than Scheelhaase, so you can/should expect something more effective than 4.1 YPC. Hitting 4.5-4.8 seems realistic. They'll need more than that to win, though.

Key Matchup: Denard versus Last Safety To Daylight. Okay, I'll take the bait: if safety is a weakness for the Buckeyes, Michigan might be able to spring a long touchdown on the ground, which would be nice.

orhian-johnson Pass Offense vs. Ohio State

If Orhian Johnson is three times worse than Ohio State fans say he is we've got it in the bag.

Denard Robinson's sustained bout of inaccuracy lasted until halftime of the Wisconsin game, after which he was ruthlessly effective. He hit several downfield passes, picked apart the Wisconsin zone, and landed himself almost 10 YPA by the time the day was over. That's not enough to dismiss the previous three or four games, in which Robinson slew scoring drives by the hundreds* with passes behind or above but rarely in front of open receivers.  It is encouraging. Robinson is in the top 20 in passing efficiency in an offense that throws about 40% of the time. While his legs are a big chunk of that, they are, you know, his legs. He gets opportunities others don't because of them.

Michigan's got some complications, however. Martavious Odoms is done for the year and both other starting wideouts appeared on this week's injury report. It sounds like Darryl Stonum will be good to go, but the perpetually questionable Junior Hemingway is questionable again. Je'Ron Stokes and Jeremy Jackson may get more time than Michigan coaches are comfortable with. Roy Roundtree exists, though, and Michigan can shift its production around without affecting their efficiency too much—usually the choice is not between covering the outside guy and covering Roundtree, but dealing with Robinson and covering Roundtree.

On the other side of the ball, Ohio State fans still manage to sound disappointed in the #7 pass efficiency defense in the country. They are pretty weak at getting to the QB—hardly better than Michigan—and they do have safety issues and they don't have a shutdown corner like they usually do. They've also missed two of the league's best QBs in Kirk Cousins and Dan Persa. Like the rush defense, they haven't played a big chunk of the Big Ten's good passing offenses. They played 1 and 2, but haven't gotten to 3-6 yet. Performance against 1 and 2:

Opponent Att Cmp Yards TD Int YPA
Wisconsin 16 13 152 0 1 9.5
Iowa 31 20 195 1 0 6.3

This just in: Wisconsin's Scott Tolzien. Anyway, that's a bad performance in a game Wisconsin hardly threw in and a pretty good one against Iowa. Everything else is brutal strangulation of doe-eyed innocents and the Jacory Harris Interception Spectacular. There aren't many good comparables for Michigan.

Assuming Tressel plays it low-variance, Michigan won't have a ton of opportunities to hit it deep but this will open up the underneath stuff, especially Roundtree's hitch routes, or more likely a variation on them that Ohio State hasn't scouted to death. We've seen QB Lead Oh Noes disappear over the past few weeks; maybe that can be used to exploit Ohio State's youthful safeties. The last time they ran it they had Martell Webb streaking open for what would have been a touchdown if Martell Webb wasn't pretty slow and the ball wasn't chucked directly at an Illinois safety.

*(This may be a slight exaggeration.)

Key Matchup: Robinson's Accuracy versus That Stuff Whatever That Was. No one has been able to consistently defend the run and pass against Denard, so they've chosen the run and have been right more often than not. Michigan needs two halves like the second against Wisconsin—occasional error, mostly deadly—to have a shot.

boom-herron Run Defense vs. Ohio State

Ohio State doesn't quite have the Badger ground game, with emphasis on "quite". Wisconsin is 12th, Ohio State 17th, with OSU trailing the Badgers by a quarter yard per carry. The main guy is Boom Herron, a compact, powerful runner without a ton of shimmy. He makes a lot of yards by sliding through tackles thanks to his low center of gravity and tree trunk legs. He's not likely to break anything long. He's what Kevin Grady was supposed to be.

Backup Brandon Saine has found himself marginalized as the season goes along. He's a lot like Michael Shaw, combining blazing speed with a lack of tackle-breaking power and a nasty tendency to avoid the intended hole. He's come on as a receiver out of the backfield and in the slot and will probably get a half-dozen carries.

And then there's Pryor, infrequently utilized but wildly effective when deployed. If you take out OSU's sacks he's averaging 8.2(!) YPC on 87(!) attempts this year, numbers that boggle the mind when combined. 87 carries takes the YPC outside the realm of fluke, so… how does a guy averaging 8 yards a carry only get 87 attempts? Tressel, yo. I get the argument you'd like to spare your QB hits against teams with little chance of winning, but Ohio State desperation catchup mode is the spread option. This is frustrating to both Michigan and Ohio State fans.

The script last year against Michigan was similar: OSU came out and ran their I-form "Dave" package with little success most of the day; when Michigan scored to draw within a touchdown out came the spread option. Pryor ran right down the field, touchdown, flood of Michigan interceptions, ballgame. Michigan doesn't have Brandon Graham anymore so the regular package should be more successful than it was last year, hampering Michigan's ability to get the three and outs that kept them in that game.

Key Matchup: Michigan Tacklers versus Herron's Thighs. With Mouton and Demens around it's likely that FBs will be taken on near the LOS and Michigan will have opportunities to get the Buckeyes in long-yardage situations in which Pryor's had some difficulty. One of the many, many problems against Wisconsin was Michigan tacklers not tackling, or giving up two or three yards after contact. That seems like it might be more fixable than Greg Robinson's beaver brain or the incredible youth of everyone. 

Pass Defense vs. Ohio Statepearl-harbor

Terrelle Pryor hasn't exactly developed into the world-beating Vince Young (except better!) imitator he was supposed to be out of high school. Against the good defenses on OSU's schedule he does stuff like this:

Opponent Att Cmp Yards TD Int YPA
Miami 27 12 233 1 0 8.6
Illinois 16 9 76 2 1 4.8
Wisconsin 28 14 156 0 1 5.6
Iowa 33 18 195 1 2 5.9

The other somewhat average pass D on the schedule was Penn State; Pryor threw just 13 times, completing eight.

Unfortunately for Michigan, "good" is nowhere in the conversation when it comes to Michigan's pass defense. They're looking up at "putrid" and hanging out with "fairly good reason to go insane." I think they peed on my couch and tried to sop it up with a handful of crushed Cheetos. I do not mean this as a metaphor.

They're currently idling at 92nd in pass efficiency defense. Pryor's performance against Indiana, Purdue, and Minnesota, the—sigh—closer comparisons for Michigan's crew of befuddled freshman and slow guys:

Opponent Att Cmp Yards TD Int YPA
Indiana 30 24 334 3 0 11.1
Purdue 22 16 270 3 2 12.3
Minnesota 22 18 222 2 1 10.1

Good Lord. Pryor meets a level of defense at which he is suddenly mediocre or worse; below that he is a ruthless bomb-thrower. Adding it all up gives you a quarterback who's 14th in passer efficiency this year and still hasn't had a good game against a real defense.

Pryor's main targets are his outside receivers. Both have around 50 catches, with Dane Sanzenbacher averaging considerably more YPC and has nine touchdowns to Posey's five. The tailbacks and TE Jake Stoneburner are secondary targets, and then there are guys scattered down the roster with the occasional catches. The line's pretty mediocre at pass blocking, giving up almost two sacks a game (59th) despite being 85th nationally in pass attempts.

Even Pryor and the OSU passing game is something of a paper tiger, that fact obviously has no relevance against the Michigan secondary. Scott Tolzein's passes never hit the ground last weekend; Wisconsin went away from the passing game because the run game allowed them to. Amongst the many things the Michigan pass defense cannot do are pressure the quarterback (1.5 sacks per game, 94th), cover receivers (yeesh), tackle, and provide anything more than a slight hindrance to quarterbacks more competent than a rain-soaked Sean Robinson.

Key Matchup: HAHAHAHAHA

Special Teams

OSU's been good with the ball in its returners' hands, solidly above average in punt returns and very good at kick returns. They've been worse than bad in coverage, giving up 12.7 yards a punt return and yielding a touchdown against Miami. Two kickoffs have been returned for touchdowns, too.

The usual story at kicker: OSU's Devin Barclay is 16 of 19, Michigan's blah blah blah. This week I can point out their proficiency at onside kicks, though.

Key Matchup: STOP KICKING THE DAMN BALL

Intangibles

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Cheap Thrills

Worry if...

  • OSU aligns in the spread, the formation in which Terrelle Pryor is actually quite effective.
  • OSU aligns in the I.
  • Robinson inaccuracy allows yet more creepin' on the run game.

(Site note: Jebus. One of the "worry ifs" from last week was "Scott Tolzien completes every pass he throws.")

Cackle with knowing glee if...

  • Orhian Johnson turns out to be a true freshman two star.
  • Denard goes back to his UConn form.
  • Ohio State's years-long defiance of karmic comeuppance goes supernova.

Fear/Paranoia Level: 10 (Baseline 5; +1 for Terrelle Pryor Eats Baby Seals And I Can See The Club For Miles, +1 for Despite Everything This Is The Top D In The League By All Measures, +1 for Ours Is Not Very Close HA HA HA, +1 for Turnover Margin: 5 vs 101, +1 for They Are A Much Better Football Team)

Desperate need to win level: 10 (Baseline 5; +5 for The Game)

Loss will cause me to... continue repeating "I expected 7-5" until the bowl game.

Win will cause me to... dissolve.

The strictures and conventions of sportswriting compel me to predict:

There's no reason for optimism, as not even the Epic Pryor Meltdown scenario seems to result in a win a week after Wisconsin didn't throw in the second half.

Tressel won't even have to risk it, as he should be able to grind it out on the ground with success and watch his excellent defense bottle Denard up sufficiently to stake the Buckeyes to a two-score lead they'll maintain most of he day. They'll take the Maserati out of the garage and run the inverted veer when/if Michigan brings it within a score, immediately going down the field to push the margin back out. The defense will be toyed with.

Finally, three opportunities for me to look stupid Sunday:

  • Pryor throws fewer than 20 times.
  • Two Michigan drives die on the vine around the OSU 35.
  • The bitter hollowness of defeat has a piquant familiarity, almost like an old friend.
  • Ohio State, 35-20.

Comments

RagingBean

November 26th, 2010 at 2:54 PM ^

I still think this can turn out something like the Illinois game where we just start scoring and the OSU defense is rattled into not being able to stop us with any consistency. Plus, yeah, karma and justice and every other fair thing in the world has to apply to us at some point, right?

mgoblue0970

November 26th, 2010 at 3:12 PM ^

Considering how bad the defense is, what a shit hole Columbus is, how karma seems to have passed that team and its fan base by, one can only imagine all the couches on fire Saturday night if Michigan were to win.

dougr188

November 26th, 2010 at 4:41 PM ^

If Michigan wins this game, I am 100% sure that it will take more than a day for me to fully comprehend it.  After that.... may God forgive me.

Kyrie_Smith

November 26th, 2010 at 4:45 PM ^

I would imagine that it must be fairly difficult to prepare a defense for such a dynamic player as Pryor, which is why I see a much closer game than expected.
<br>Michigan's D will be ready tomorrow (as much as they can be given their youth). Having to practice against Denard every day can only help our chances.
<br>Though I don't see my beloved Wolverines winning tomorrow, I fully expect them to make a good showing.
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Yostal

November 26th, 2010 at 4:48 PM ^

"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function.  One should, for example, be able to see that things are hopeless and yet be determined to make them otherwise."

My brain says Ohio State will win.  My heart says Michigan will win.  I'm listening to my heart today because I like what it's saying.  My brain is taking its revenge by giving me massive acid reflux today.

Go Blue!

U Fer M

November 26th, 2010 at 5:20 PM ^

Michigan usually wins this year after I've predicted a loss, and I'm positve Michigan will lose tomorrow. It's going to be cold tomorrow, ball will feel like concrete, my advice, like I've seen so many times before, hold on to the damn ball, never, ever kick the damn ball(only bad things happen when we kick) except for Hagerup, but we shouldn't be punting either, go for it on every 4th down. Give it back to OSU and they will just score again, why delay the inevitable. How many run on sentances was that?

They showed the 1969 game yesterday on BTN, and wow, OSU's kicker really sucked, and we had a lineman, #39, can't remember his name, who was tearing it up all game, that was a Bo defense, anyway 2010...OSU 42 M 20, and if my tv wasn't so expensive I'd be throwing scotch bottles at it(empty of course) and screaming Bring on Baylor(opponent in bowl game?) and Just wait til next year!!

exmtroj

November 26th, 2010 at 6:20 PM ^

If I'm Rich Rod, we are playing with absolute reckless abandon heading into this one. Super, hyper-aggressive offense,never punt.  Ever.  Defense is blitzing on every damn play and laying someone out whether they have the ball or not.  If we're going to lose, we are at least going to fuck someone's universe up and go out in a huge blaze of glory.  Eventually the offensive line will wear down when linebackers and safeties are blowing the damn doors off every play and sprinting right into them. Eventually Pryor will freak out and arm punt or throw a pick.  Eventually the defense will wear down when we go into jet tempo and refuse to punt the ball no matter where it is on the field.  Go for broke, baby.

Route66

November 26th, 2010 at 6:25 PM ^

What if, just what if, we somehow catch a couple break and go up two scores.....I like our chances..........just sayin.......seems like the opposite has happended to us all year in the losses so why not the other way around in the Big One!!?

M-Dog

November 27th, 2010 at 12:43 AM ^

what if we strategically trade field goals for touchdowns?

The goal is to let their offense get into the red zone as quickly as possible, so as not to wear out our defense.  They are going to get to the 20 anyway, why waste energy fighting it? 

Once they get to the red zone, the D tightens up and uses the short field as an ally to try to hold them to three's.   The D stays fresh, playing no more than 6 plays on any given "drive".

In the meantime, the O goes all out for touchdowns every drive.  There is no need to punt, if they get the ball we want them in the red zone anyway.  The short field strategy on D will give the O lot's of possessions no matter what happens.

I am only half joking.

exmtroj

November 27th, 2010 at 9:32 AM ^

This is actually pretty brilliant, assuming that the D can actually tighten down in the red zone. And even if they don't, well hell, at least OSU isn't milking 8 minutes off the clock and then scoring.  As long as there's time on the clock, and the offense is doing something, then we're still alive.  Plus, we know that sweater vest will settle for field goals if we can batten down the hatches near the end zone.

Mhpangr

November 26th, 2010 at 5:22 PM ^

that Tressel is one of those Dr. Evil-type-characters that consistently catches the Austin Powers-type-character, and instead of shooting him in the face immediately multiple times, hangs him above a pool of sharks with lasers above their heads-type-characters and then the Austin Powers-type-character gets away and defeats the villain?

I feel that this MAY happen tomorrow by some act of Jebus... where Tressel consistently has us trapped and should shoot us in the face dead on the spot, but instead decides to devise some complex scheme to bring us to our demise and yet bumbles it up (aka running the football all day instead of carpet bombing us).  

To which Denard flips a coin as the laser alms to cut him in half, effectively cutting all his chains and he explodes to victory... just sayin'...

st barth

November 26th, 2010 at 5:40 PM ^

...M wins 52-34.  We jump out to a quick lead 21-0 and when OSU presses to get back into it they shot themselves in the foot by making mistakes and consequently M steamrolls them.  Our defense scores twice and Terelle Pryor cries after the game promising that he will never lose to M again. 

Michichick

November 26th, 2010 at 5:55 PM ^

"The Big Ten's Greatest Seasons" ran on the Big 10 Network after "Inside Michigan Football," featuring 1969, about the whole conference and how the season went, focusing on both M and OSU, how Bo shook things up and Woody had the best team ever at OSU.  Don Moorhead (M QB) and others said that Bo did "crazy" things to work them, like making them run stairs with another player on their backs.  It was a nice recap of the stuff we already know - pissed players off, a bunch left, "Those who stay will be champions," etc.

Let's hope this is a good omen.

Go Blue! Beat TUUOS!

D.C. Dave

November 26th, 2010 at 10:40 PM ^

...that won't matter. If they can hand the ball off, that will be enough against the Michigan defense. Used to be knocking out a star player meant something in this game, but Michigan cannot stop any offense, good or bad. If Ohio State has no turnovers, they win by 21, easy. Because they will stop our offense enough by just forcing it into mistakes.

BLUEFBFAN

November 26th, 2010 at 7:16 PM ^

Wonder how the weather will factor in to the game? It is supposed to be mid thirties and sunny but windy. It will probably be challenge to throw the ball with accuracy so it might affect both teams passing games. That might help Michigan's D,but also affect our offense's production.

jmblue

November 26th, 2010 at 8:03 PM ^

So after ranting earlier in the week about how this offense clearly is two standard deviations better than average, you only think we can score 20 in a game we've been pointing to all season? 

SC Wolverine

November 26th, 2010 at 8:06 PM ^

Recipe for epic UM victory tomorrow: 1. TOSU cannot keep from arrogantly assuming victory; comes out flat. 2. Tressell plays way too conservatively, keeping game close at half. 3. Denard gets it all together and plays out of his mind. 4. Defense plays with maniacal recklessness, actually stopping TOSU periodically. 5. Prior feels things unravelling, tries to do too much, throws back-to-back picks in second half. 6. UM takes 11 point lead early in 4th qtr, holds on to win by 4 as defense makes stop on final drive. Admit it- this is a plausible scenario!

D.C. Dave

November 26th, 2010 at 10:37 PM ^

Here's now you will know it's Harbaugh: If Rich Rod gets fired. If he's not fired, that means Brandon could not land Harbaugh. He won't make a move unless he is certain. He won't fire the coach and take a chance on a coaching search. If he cannot get JH, Rich Rod gets another year with a new defensive staff. But if RichRod gets fired, then you can be sure Brandon has his man ready to take over. It's down to that.

D.C. Dave

November 26th, 2010 at 10:32 PM ^

All you have to do is look at how we did against the four best teams we played -- Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State and Penn State -- and you will know we have absolutely no chance in this game unless Ohio State has 5-plus turnovers and we get touchdowns off of four of them.

I like the spread offense, I really do, but I am a little tired of all these people on here saying that, 'Now that we have the offense in shape, once we add the defense next year, we'll be great!"

No, we won't. Rich Rodriguez has never had a great defense. In the Big East, there is no such thing. His 'great' 3-3-5 defenses there would have gotten decimated in the Big Ten. All you need to do is note that Michigan, which is not close to contending for the Big Ten, whipped a mediocre UConn team that may very well clinch the Big East's BCS berth.

There is absolutely nothing to support the argument that our itty bitty defenders are going to do any better next year. The truth is, no matter how dynamic the offense, it means nothing because touchdowns mean nothing in Michigan games. They only mean something if we can stop other teams from scoring at will, which we have not been able to do for 3 years. The recruiting claim is hogwash. This defense has gotten worse every year. Indeed, the three worst defenses in Michigan history are the past three seasons -- and this season's is the worst of all. If he was still our coach next year, the defense might even get better, but it still will be the fourth-worst defense in Michigan history. No one can argue that.

It's over folks. Laugh at Wojo and Lynn Henning all you want, but has no one noticed the abrupt change in the tone of Wojo's writing the past few weeks? In his long interview with RichRod about a month ago, he sounded quite supportive. He's not banging that drum anymore. You know why? He's got sources and he knows something. So does Henning. These guys are around the program a lot. They know that Rodriguez is gone. The winning record will not save him. Michigan has not beaten a good team all season. It's a joke. These columnists are sending signals in their columns, they're not guessing.

If you're not seeing those signals, that may be because most are analyzing this the wrong way. It has nothing to do with whether one can argue Rich Rodriguez deserves another year. In a perfect world, he does. Hard to argue that. He's only had 3 years. But here's the problem: Harbaugh is leaving Stanford. Gone. Period. It might be Michigan, it might be the NFL, but he is gone. Bank it. Even Andrew Luck, who is going to turn pro, mentioned that one reason is he's not sure Harbaugh will be back.

So for David Brandon, here is the crossroads: If you don't want Harbaugh, then you bring Rich Rod back. If he doesn't work out next year, you get someone else. By then, Harbaugh is someplace else. But if you do want Harbaugh, you make the move when you can get him.

And quite frankly, it's a move I would make. I like Rich Rod, I think he is one great offensive coach. I do not think he is a great head coach. I think he shows it all the time. A great coach does not let his defense get this bad. A great coach does not keep his friends on staff on a defense this bad, he fires them. A great coach does not get so obsessed with his offense that he convinces himself marginal defenders won't matter, because no one will stop us. There is a problem when the offense is in the top 10 in the nation and the defense is in the bottom 10. If you see that kind of disparity, there is a problem with the head coach. That cannot happen at a place like Michigan and there's nothing to make me believe he has it in him to admit he knows nothing about defense, get rid of his buddies and bring in a DC who has full authority. Rodriguez thinks he has it on the right track. He is that stubborn. And Brandon has figured that out and he's going to end this now.

So the reason Rodriguez will be fired is two-fold:

1) The 'progress' is deceptive, and the 'progress' does not win games. Yes, the team is better on offense this season, but that's only because it has been so horrendous the past two seasons. But the gap between where Michigan is now and actually DEFEATING talented teams is wider than ever. We are not just losing, we were non-competitive against every good team we played except maybe Iowa, and even in that one we were only within striking distance, but not outclassed completely. Brandon is looking at that competitive gap and he does not see this staff, with its philosophy and the head coach's stubbornness, closing that gap. Brandon might have given him one more year except...

2) Harbaugh is leaving Stanford, he has made sure Michigan knows it, and so it is now or never for Michigan. It is going to be now. The man is a complete football coach who could be at Michigan 20 years. It's the job he wants. He wants to coach in the Big Ten, and we should be thankful Michigan State did not hire him four years ago. Brandon cannot pass him up and don't look at our current 7-4 record (7-5 after tomorrow) to make a case for Rich Rod. Look at the huge competitive gap in the games involving the Big Ten's top teams. Brandon has to address it and he knows that if he brings Rich Rod back, it will be another year of big scoring and giving up big scoring.

No one should say Rich Rod did a great job. He cost himself a winning season with stubborness and stupid personnel decisions in year 1. He was an interesting experiment and that's how we'll remember him, but he took 40 years of winning and replaced it with a speedy team of midgets that gets steamrolled by quality Big Ten opponents. A head coach with a big-picture view of what it takes would never have made that mistake, and Harbaugh will start correcting it immediately. Denard is not going anywhere. He'll win more games when we have a complete team, led by a complete coach.

So don't argue about the pros and cons of Rich Rodriguez. We all have seen it. This is about Harbaugh's availability and a new CEO-minded AD who is going to grab him before someone else does. We should all wish Rodriguez well. He has quite an impact on college offenses. But he is not the complete package, as our half-team proves.

Go Blue!

 

 

D.C. Dave

November 26th, 2010 at 10:59 PM ^

...but I notice you did not offer any evidence to refute it. The argument I put forth is the analysis going on at Michigan.

Remember what I wrote. The reason it's going to happen is Harbaugh is forcing their hand and Brandon really, really likes him. He doesn't hate Rodriguez (Mary Sue Coleman does not really care for him) but Brandon also is not sold enough on Rodriguez to pass up Harbaugh. He sees next year's schedule and he sees 7-5 again, maybe. Plus, if Michigan does not hire Harbaugh, the San Francisco 49ers will, or some other NFL team. So Michigan will make the move, as you shall see. My sources are not wrong and they are the same ones who told me three years ago that Michigan had decided not to offer Les Miles the job, which prompted Miles' famous press conference in which he acted like he had turned down a job he had never been offered. Every bit of that information was right on the money.

The only way Rodriguez stays is if Michigan beats Ohio State (not going to happen) or cannot close the deal with Harbaugh (doubtful, given both sides' interests). But even if Michigan strikes out with Harbaugh and keeps RichRod, he will then be forced to hire a top DC and let him pick his assistants.

Things can always go wrong in a negotiaton, but that's all that will save RichRod.  Brandon is shrewd. If Harbaugh wants it, he's the new coach.

michgoblue

November 26th, 2010 at 11:07 PM ^

Your central premise is that JH is forcing Michigan's hand and that this is the reason that DB will can RR.  So JH definitely wants the job.  You have sources, you say.  If that is so:

1.  YOu say that if RR beats OSU, he will keep his job.  If DB is so in love with JH and thinks that RR has failed because of his desire to have a mediocre defense with intentionally overmatched players, then why would DB keep RR because of 1 win?  Wouldn't this cause DB to lose out on JH (who has told your sources that he wants the job)?

2.  IF you are so sure that JH wants the job, why do you conclude by saying " If Harbaugh wants it, he's the new coach."  Havent you already started from the premise (based on your rock solid sources) that he does want it?  Why are you suddenly unsure?

D.C. Dave

November 26th, 2010 at 11:17 PM ^

Cmon, is this that hard? Politically it becomes difficult to fire Rodriguez if he beat Ohio State. That's pretty obvious. I threw that in there because it would become a consideration, but it is so unlikely, let's not worry too much about that. It's not going to happen. And I am not saying that definitely save Rodriguez. I am saying that is his only chance. Personally, if I knew I could get Harbaugh, I'd fire Rodriguez win or lose. Harbaugh will not set us back two more years, he'll stop us from getting set back 4 years on defense.

As for whether Harbaugh wants it, yes, he wants it. But lots of times it does not work out. What if the 49ers offer him $6 million a year? There can be other factors. He may very well want it, he may want more millions even more. Go out on the Web right now and look up what Andrew Luck said about next season. He considers Harbaugh like a second father and he is already saying he is concerned whether Harbaugh will be back. He loves Michigan, but what if someone offers him twice the money? These things do happen. But he is gone from Stanford.

I'll pass on responding to the sarcasm. No one believes RR purposely chose overmatched players. But it is true that he pays little attention to it because he believes great offense solves all. He's not a great evaluator of defensive talent. He's not even a good defensive coach. And he is loyal to his friends to a fault. Opposing teams look at the Michigan defense and are amazed at how fundamentally unsound it is, no matter who is playing.

Look, I don't hate Rodriguez. But no one should feel bad when he gets canned. The bottom line is we should be competing with the big boys, not desperately seeking to score our way into the top half of the Big Ten.

michgoblue

November 26th, 2010 at 11:58 PM ^

Look, at the end of the day, I agree with almost all of your points.  I, for the same reasons as you, would jump at JH over RR at this point.  (I am usually making the same points as you on these threads).

My only real issue with your post is the timing - I hate this whole issue being so central on the eve of The Game.   My apologies for the sarcasm - just testy about this topic.

Go Blue!

mgoblue0970

November 27th, 2010 at 12:34 AM ^

I was kinda with you until this...

Politically it becomes difficult to fire Rodriguez if he beat Ohio State

NO!

It's easy.  RR's contract (I posted a link to it in a previous post) is pretty clear, in a number of sections, that major violations are grounds for dismissal.  RR was the HC when Michigan was found committing 4 major violations (yes, the violations and the Freep are garbage but it is what it is).

Politics has nothing to do with it.  No difficulties found there.

Plus this notion of Harbaugh forcing anyone's hand is complete BS. 

Dave Brandon is a smart dude.  He already has a short list of replacements regardless if RR gets another year.  This is not Bill Martin we're dealing with anymore.  DB is a leader, not just a finance guy.  He's got an idea of what he wants to do and no matter what Jim Harbaugh may or may not do, and no matter what the score is tomorrow, DB has a vision for Michigan, the AD, and the football team and DB is going to execute his plan regardless.

As for whether Harbaugh wants it, yes, he wants it. But lots of times it does not work out. What if the 49ers offer him $6 million a year? There can be other factors.

If one reads between the lines of some of Jim's interviews, his heart is in the college game.  He has noted what happened to Spurrier and Sabin in the NFL.  Heck, Harbaugh was pissed when Dantonio got the Moo U. job.  Jim is Maize and Blue through and through but would have jumped at the chance to be the HC in East Landfill.  I think there's more than money at stake here.

Go out on the Web right now and look up what Andrew Luck said about next season. He considers Harbaugh like a second father and he is already saying he is concerned whether Harbaugh will be back.

I really have no idea what amount of value that adds to your post.  Lots of players say that about coaches.  Lots of Michigan players say that about RR.  That rarely is a barometer about ANYTHING other than good coaches forge good relationships with their players.  Unless Harbaugh has addressed the team, it doesn't mean squat... Luck could be playing to the idiots in the press for all we know.

OMG Shirtless

November 27th, 2010 at 12:40 AM ^

Question, since you seem to be up on RichRod's contract.  Wouldn't the University have needed to fire RichRod pretty close to the day the NCAA announced the Major Violations to take advantage of that out clause.  My only question is, to fire someone "with cause" don't you have to do it pretty close to when the situation occurred rather than let them coach the rest of the season, see that it didn't go the way you wanted it to, and then try to use the out clause.

mgoblue0970

November 27th, 2010 at 3:41 AM ^

My only question is, to fire someone "with cause" don't you have to do it pretty close to when the situation occurred rather than let them coach the rest of the season

Law varies from state to state (and I don’t reside in Michigan anymore) but the short and very general answer to your reply is, "no".  You don't have to fire someone on the exact day of the misconduct.  It does have to pass the "reasonableness" test though (and that's true in a lot of applications of the law as well).  Could Michigan fire RR at the end of next season for infractions this year?  That may get sketchy.  But could Michigan fire RR say, 90 days later, after the final investigation?  In the absence of any "thou shall terminate employee at the first occurrence of misconduct or damages" language, which again doesn't exist, you bet. 

dougr188

November 26th, 2010 at 10:53 PM ^

This is your last night as a Michigan fan.  If you want RR fired right here and right now you simply haven't taken the time to see two things:

1. A coaching change will simply extend the mediocrity at minimum 2 more years.

2. All RR has done is improved the team each year since the first.

Seriously we all see the defense is atrocious.  Does no one think RR won't do something to make it better.  

What would make you happy with every Michigan season? 12-0 every year? 9-3? 8-4? Obviously not 7-5.

D.C. Dave

November 26th, 2010 at 11:07 PM ^

Come on. We did not beat a single good team this year. As for whether RR will make the defense better, no, he won't! That's the point. It will never be any good. He's never had a defense that could play in the Big Ten anywhere he's been.

But what you're missing is this is about Harbaugh's intention to leave and Brandon not wanting to pass him up. If it were not for that, and the fact that we'll be humiliated tomorrow, perhaps RichRod gets another year. But don't tell me he's a great coach. He's a great offensive coordinator.

As for asking me what record would make me happy, well, that's the point I am making. A winning record should not save the coach. We are non-competitive with the best teams, we beat only the bad teams. I don't care about any specific record, but this is a non-competitive team that will do no better against the top Big Ten teams -- plus Nebraska -- in 2011. And Brandon knows it.

Everybody wants to attack when someone offers a real analysis of an offensive-minded coach who cannot win in the Big Ten. But I'm not wrong and there's nothing in this guy's performance to merit keeping him if Jim Harbaugh is saying he'd love to be the coach. If you put the two side by side, who would you hire? That's how Brandon is looking at it, not whether RichRod has made 'progress' from his first 3-9 team. If you say you'd take Rodriguez, great, we disagree. Of those two, I'd hire Harbaugh. That is the decision.

dougr188

November 26th, 2010 at 10:53 PM ^

This is your last night as a Michigan fan.  If you want RR fired right here and right now you simply haven't taken the time to see two things:

1. A coaching change will simply extend the mediocrity at minimum 2 more years.

2. All RR has done is improved the team each year since the first.

Seriously we all see the defense is atrocious.  Does no one think RR won't do something to make it better.  

What would make you happy with every Michigan season? 12-0 every year? 9-3? 8-4? Obviously not 7-5.