[Marc-Gregor Campredon]

Let's Start Again: Shooting Guard Comment Count

Brian May 19th, 2021 at 11:18 AM

A series looking at Michigan's 2021-22 basketball outlook. Previously: center, power forward, small forward.

ROSTER

Eli Brooks (Sr.+): Ultimate glue guy shot 45/40 last year and hit 91% of his FTs while providing secondary playmaking and taking opposition's best perimeter offensive option. COVID bonus year is massive for program.

Zeb Jackson (So.): Pops physically as a 6'5" guard with a lot of lift but limited playing time as HS senior and last year. Bit of a mystery man. Crucial year for him as he'll either establish himself a rotation piece or get wiped out by freshmen.

Kobe Bufkin (Fr.): Willowy 6'4" combo guard steadily rose in rankings over cycle, landing at #42 in the composite, despite wrist injury that cost him much of his senior year. Three-level scorer but might need Camp Sanderson to bust out.

Adrien Nunez (Sr.): Deep bench option unlikely to break through in year four.

I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS

Uh… do I?

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TVLand, the player [Campredon]

Brooks's return means this spot is going to be the most stable and predictable on the roster. Dickinson might look pretty different next year; we don't really know what to expect from Johns; there will be new starters at SF and PG. Eli Brooks is going to be Eli Brooks. I probably don't have to explain what the last two years of Brooks looks like to anyone who stops by this blog, but for the record:

  • 36-40% three point shooting, with virtually all of those threes catch and shoot attempts.
  • Pull-ups in the midrange that are reasonably good late clock options.
  • Missed floaters and questionable finishing at the rim because of a lack of size and bounce.
  • Plus defense that isn't quite lockdown against bigger guards who can get to the basket and finish over him. (EG: Duane Washington roasted him.)
  • Ineffable sense that things work well with him and do not work well without him.

[After THE JUMP: splits splits splits splits]

Here are Brooks's on/off splits from last year. On offense you see the ineffability in the TO rate. The defensive numbers look a lot like Franz Wagner's except with some really bad three-point luck:

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So the question is how much of that did Brooks drive and how much did Wagner drive? Parsing answers out of the available data is difficult, but maybe Brooks's junior year helps clarify:

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Wagner was around for that, too, but that version of Franz was not the Great And Terrible Passing Lane Kraken. Michigan was actually a bit worse on defense when freshman Franz was on the court:

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So yeah, he's pretty good. Juwan Howard putting Brooks on guys like Cam Thomas even though Chaundee Brown was around should be evidence enough if those 2P% D numbers don't sway you. Juwan Howard knows things about basketball, and he consistently put Brooks on the opposition's most dangerous threat even with other good options.

Does Brooks have some upside left to explore?

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old vs older [Campredon]

Players aren't static, even guys coming back for fifth years, but… uh… probably not. Brooks is the definition of a heady, maxed-out player who's taking advantage of everything he's got already. He doesn't make many mental mistakes. His shooting is already at a level where expecting an improvement would be foolhardy. He's not going to be much different physically in year five.

Michigan actually moved usage away from Brooks last year, and with the addition of Devante' Jones it would be a big surprise if they asked Brooks to have more of a role in shot creation. His PNR numbers are pedestrian: 0.84 PPP on offense derived from 132 PNR possessions last year, 50th percentile. Since Brooks is emphatically not an isolation player (and Michigan, being well-coached, sends almost no possessions into the iso bin) it's hard to envision him having an appreciably bigger role in the offense without a big uptick in PNR possessions he uses. I don't think anyone's expecting that to happen, especially since the primary PG options are questionable shooters who are probably going to need the ball in their hands for maximum efficiency.

I expect a rerun of last year, and that's just fine.

What happens when Brooks isn't on the court?

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A pivotal year for Jackson [Campredon]

Unless something weird happens Brooks is going to be out there for 30+ minutes, which leaves limited opportunities for two high-upside underclassmen. Both Zeb Jackson and Kobe Bufkin are tall enough to explore some three-guard lineups, maybe, but taking minutes away from Houstan probably isn't happening. If you assume that all of the PG minutes will be covered by Jones and Frankie Collins you've got 20 minutes to split between Isaiah Barnes, Jackson, and Bufkin backing up Brooks and Houstan.

Since two of those guys are freshmen and the third may as well be trying to predict an outcome here is difficult. I'd imagine that the backup 2/3's role will be to shoot threes and try not to screw up on defense too much, which makes me lean towards Barnes and Bufkin since Jackson was 2/13 from three last year with some ugly misses and doesn't have a track record as a shooter. Barnes was discussed in the previous post. Meanwhile Bufkin in particular is well-suited to a breaking-in period as a gunner. Matt D:

Kobe is outstanding as a traditional catch-and-shoot SG. With one-motion mechanics, a high release point and good size/length, he is able to get his shot off against closeouts with ease. His range already extends out to 28 feet in what is very fluid shot that doesn’t appear to stress him regardless of distance. There is real potential for Bufkin to be a potent shooter for the Wolverines.

On the other hand, Bufkin may not be an ideal fit as a backup 2 defensively:

Defensively, I don’t necessarily think he moves well enough to defend quicker guards in the B10. I’ll reiterate that for me position designation is determined by the defensive assignment you are most likely to draw. In my opinion, Bufkin is best suited to defend the SF position. A few of the coaching staff members among his final 5 are of that belief as well.

That evaluation is from a year ago, when he committed, and it's possible that's something that's changed over the last year—Bufkin has gradually climbed the rankings from where he was back then.

A bigger issue for Bufkin may be his size, which tends towards early Caris LeVert. He's not high school Caris—he does not look like a UNICEF ad—but neither is he Chaundee Brown:

If he's knocking down shots at a much higher clip than Jackson it's not going to matter; that's something that might give Jackson an edge.

Meanwhile Jackson will enter his second year at Michigan in a sink or swim situation. The competition isn't going to let up going forward, so if he can't chisel out a role this year his long-term prognosis gets dim. Mentions of Jackson on this blog last year were generally of this variety:

Jackson made a couple bad decisions and looks like a guy who's going to need a year to get situated but you can see the athletic potential every time he attacks the basket.

Depth is a problem. … . [Jackson] went 0/3 from three and had a turnover. Michigan was seemingly fighting its way back into the game when Chaundee Brown asked for a blow, and Jackson was close to personally responsible for a 7-0 Minnesota run.

He did flash an ability to get to the basket and do something productive.

He is 6'5" and can get places on a basketball court. That's something to work with.

"Work" is the operative word, though. We're trying not to read too much into low-usage stats from freshmen after Cole Bajema put up a 92% eFG last year and then was nearly invisible for a terrible Washington team this year, but Jackson shooting 5/26 on the season does give you some pause.

My money here is on Bufkin, FWIW.

Comments

MGolem

May 19th, 2021 at 11:35 AM ^

Watching Ibi Watson turn into a legit stud at Dayton suggests writing Zeb off is premature. That doesn't mean he will be a star at Michigan but giving him a chance to get his feet under him could pay dividends down the road. His ball handling and size make him an excellent fit at up to 3 positions depending on what the team needs. I hope he can see the big picture and sticks around long enough to be a contributor. 

FightThePower2021

May 19th, 2021 at 1:06 PM ^

Being a "legit stud" at Dayton does not indicate anything other than he excels in a non-P5 conference against 'lesser' competition.

Not to say that being in a 'lesser' conference didn't bring out the best in him - but sometimes people shine under a less bright light.

mi93

May 20th, 2021 at 9:56 AM ^

That Dayton team was a legit FF (maybe NC) contender and he was a big part of it (yes, Obi Toppin was the clear headliner).  Only 2 losses, both in OT, and Watson led the team in scoring a handful of times.

It would have been nice to have him last year.

schreibee

May 19th, 2021 at 1:25 PM ^

Look who's coming in next season, and who we expect to join the team in '22. Look at how little Zeb contributed last season, on ball or off.

Saying Zeb is in a "sink or swim" situation, as Brian did, is completely fair.

You saying you hope Zeb sticks around even if it appears to be "sink", just because Ibi Watson became passable at a lower level conference isn't, not really. 

ShadowStorm33

May 19th, 2021 at 2:36 PM ^

Yeah. And honestly the better comparison (than Ibi) for Zeb would be Brooks himself. Unless I'm misremembering, Eli didn't look like he'd pan out after his first year or two. I'm sure I wasn't the only one close to writing off Eli and Zavier Simpson early on, and look what they blossomed into. So it's definitely not too late for Zeb in a general sense.

The problem for him is that his career isn't in a vacuum. Given the way Juwan is recruiting and the guys he's bringing in, it's not going to be enough for Zeb to simply grow into a productive player. Eli is great; he's a stabilizing force and will be bringing experience and leadership to a very young team. But even if he could stay another year or two past this coming year, there's no guarantee he'd be able to hold on to his starting job over the highly athletic and talented guys Juwan is brining in.

Molding into a productive player is a prerequisite for Zeb, but he'll likely have to do more than that if he wants serious minutes down the line. Just look at Brandon Johns, who's blossoming and yet will have Diabate breathing down his neck. So while I'm rooting hard for Zeb to reach his potential, it totally is a sink or swim year, for a number of reasons many of which are outside of his control...

JamieH

May 19th, 2021 at 6:40 PM ^

I will admit I completely wrote Brooks off.  He looked LOST his first two years here.  He shot 10-41 from 3 his freshman year and followed it up with 14-48 his sophomore year.  

Suddenly his junior year he figured out how to shoot, and that turned things around.

MGolem

May 19th, 2021 at 2:54 PM ^

Ibi wasn't "passable." He shot over 40% from 3 and averaged over 15 per game last season for a team that often makes deep runs in the tournament, despite their relatively mid-tier status. Zeb is obviously a high level athlete and guy who could become a big time contributor as an upper classmen. Which may be especially handy if we keep getting big time players coming in who leave after a couple of seasons for the pros. 

njvictor

May 19th, 2021 at 11:38 AM ^

Brooks is the definition of a heady, maxed-out player who's taking advantage of everything he's got already

The one thing that I'd like to see Brooks improve is his floater. One has to think that given how much he was attempting it in game, he hits those in practice somewhat regularly. If he can hit that with some consistency in game, then he can add some diversity to his game by being able to attack close outs

which makes me lean towards Barnes and Bufkin since Jackson was 2/13 from three last year with some ugly misses and doesn't have a track record as a shooter

I find this comment and Brian's commentary overall on Jackson odd given what he's been saying about Terrance Williams since their situations seem similar. Brian wrote this in defense of Williams freshman struggles only a few weeks ago:

Don't write him off as a perimeter option just yet. It's common for sparingly-used freshmen to put up ugly shooting numbers. Freshman Brooks from 3: 25%. David DeJulius was 1/15 as a freshman and hit 36% on 83 attempts the next year. (He fell back to the Bad Place on a horrible, horrible Cincinnati team this year.) Moe Wagner was 2/11 as a freshman. Guys who don't get their feet under them and often play in weird or end-of-bench lineups don't have shooting numbers that we should put a ton of stock in

Idk how you can say that about Williams then seem to write off Jackson

schreibee

May 19th, 2021 at 1:31 PM ^

Because Terence played important minutes in the ncaa tournament? Rebounding, passing, guarding, never really taking horrible shots, or looking horrible doing it? 

That's why I personally would say Williams has time to work out his shooting in a lower pressure environment than Jackson. In '21-'22 Williams does things that contribute to team success even if he's not shooting. 

The same cannot be said for Zeb ?‍♂️

njvictor

May 19th, 2021 at 3:41 PM ^

Brian's comments in both instances were specifically about each player as perimeter shooting options so my comment was not off base. Also, Zeb showed upside as a playmaker in his limited minutes and still possesses upside as a 6'5" athletic guard

schreibee

May 19th, 2021 at 5:08 PM ^

NJVictor & MGolem are here to represent the leading edge of Zeb stans. And that's cool.

Make comparisons to other M players past & present who you believe Zeb could or should be compared to - that's fine too. 

But just to keep this grounded, Ibi Watson was a player who made 0 impact at Michigan, and then was a solid (is that more palatable than "passable"?) player for an NIT early round losing team. 

I do agree that if Zeb sticks around 4 years he could improve into a passable player at Michigan - I would have no problem if he hung in.

But when I said it wasn't fair to ask it I meant for him! He might want to do what Ibi did, and get on the court. 

And as for the comparison to Williams, I'll reiterate, Terence will have the opportunity to get on the court for the other things he brings to the team. Zeb will need to shoot & shoot well to see the floor. Totally different level of pressure on the 2 player's shot development. 

I guess the bottom line for me is I just didn't see any of the potential displayed by Zeb that many in these comments keep insisting they saw.

He instantly reminded me of Nunez with how badly his shots missed (except in that 1 tournament game - was it the 1-16 match-up?) I personally didn't see any particular defensive "dog" in him, any passing or cutting flair, just not really anything to make me feel as positive about his potential as many others are.

As always, when I'm dubious on any M players - HOPE I'M WRONG! 

outsidethebox

May 19th, 2021 at 9:48 PM ^

You are correct-not wrong at this time regarding Jackson and Williams. There is a set of fans who seem to have an emotional attachment to Zeb that does not allow for an objective assessment. Here, Williams clearly demonstrated himself to be the better player-between the two. This is not a giving up on Zeb-it's simply stating that the eye-test indicates that he has a lot to learn about playing this game and he has a very long way to go to be a solid contributor...and expecting solid, meaningful time play next year is not realistic. 

MGolem

May 20th, 2021 at 7:54 AM ^

I personally am not hyping Zeb out of misplaced emotion. He looks like a high level athlete with great size for a guard. Yes, Terrance Williams looked more competent in his limited minutes but he also wasn't asked to handle the ball, or run the offense. Much has been made of the learning curve for young PGs, not sure why that is being forgotten already. Zeb may never be a great shooter but his bounce, length, and ball handling (and left handedness) remind me of Bernard Robinson. Wouldn't that be nice.  

outsidethebox

May 20th, 2021 at 8:43 AM ^

Each of us are uniquely informed. PG is/was my position...and I see it as being profoundly intuitional. If you need it to be taught to you-most likely you ain't got it. Here, those who believe there is a steep learning curve are misinformed. For the most part, a good PG just needs a coach to encourage us to employ what we know about the game and our teammates...and stand back and cheer for us. 

outsidethebox

May 20th, 2021 at 11:12 AM ^

I was "absent" for portions. I'm sure that my interpretation of what happened during the "Beilein years" is very different from most. First and foremost, I don't believe he did the PGs any favors...Walton, is exhibit A. I believe near the end of his senior season he (internally) told Beilein to go to hell and said "I'm going to run this show to win-how I know it needs to be done"...and put Michigan on his back and made quite the run. 

Otherwise, there is plenty of learning to do for a PG-the emphasis is just different. I'm pretty sure there are people/players from inside/close to the program who could give you an ear-full regarding this larger topic of Beilein's coaching. His strengths outweighed his weaknesses but there were issues with his philosophies...including ones that, finally, prompted his leaving. Just my opinion-I do not expect much agreement with me here. This is all water under the bridge. 

Juwan is one hell of a coach...a players' coach...a style I prefer.

njvictor

May 20th, 2021 at 9:01 AM ^

I'm not a "Zeb stan" by any means. I just think people are weirdly counting him out way too soon and am intrigued by a 6'5" athletic combo guard with playmaking ability, potentially good shooting, and defensive upside. 

I just didn't see any of the potential displayed by Zeb that many in these comments keep insisting they saw.

I mean Brian literally posted one of the plays that shows his upside and he did that multiple times when he played with the starters

UP to LA

May 19th, 2021 at 1:53 PM ^

I agree about Brooks's floater, and also think he has some room to grow with respect to getting threes up off the bounce and drawing contact/getting to the line. Despite shooting 40% from 3 and 90% from the line, he had just an OK true shooting percentage last year (.557), and it's because his 2pt % was so-so (work on that floater!), he didn't get a ton of threes off, and he almost never got to the line. All of that can be improved given the tools that he has.

AC1997

May 19th, 2021 at 11:51 AM ^

Good summary.  A few thoughts/questions after reading it:

  • If Collins is the most game-ready of the three young guards, would non-Brooks SG minutes just go to Jones?  He played off-ball last year for his team so how do we feel about almost all of the guard minutes going to Collins, Jones, and Brooks if Bufkin/Jackson aren't ready?
  • I still remain convinced that Zeb's path to playing time, at any of the three positions he could plausibly play, is defense.  I didn't see much in that department from him last year, but his physical traits make him the only person among the guards that you'd be comfortable switching 1-2-3 on defense.  Besides shooting, that's the skill I'd be asking him to focus on because he could make his mark there more than anyone not named Eli.
  • What is most unclear for next year's rotation is on-ball offense or scoring.  I think Jones has some of that in him, but I'm not sure how much.  Frankie might be a PnR deity from day one or his lack of a shot and freshmen mistakes might hold him back.  Brooks isn't that guy.  Zeb.....has a long way to go to be that guy.  Houstan & Barnes aren't those guys.  Bufkin's path to those minutes is a little more clear - be a shooter and scorer.  

outsidethebox

May 19th, 2021 at 2:00 PM ^

Jones scores very well at all three levels. His tape says he will be the best, most well-rounded offensive PG since Burke and Walton-by quite a bit, actually. For me, the only question mark is about how Jones and Brooks are going to get a blow-if, at least, one of those young pups don't step up pretty big-time. I think, at least, one of the youngsters will pull their weight. But it's going to be interesting.

blue in dc

May 19th, 2021 at 8:36 PM ^

I think people underestimate how much of an impact freshman regularly have in basketball.   On the 2012/2013 national championship runner up team, 5 of the top players in minutes were freshman.  Glenn Robinson (17) and Nik Stauskas (110) started pretty much the whole season, were 3rd and 4th on the team in minutes and tied for 3rd on the team in points per game at 11.0 per game.   Mitch McGary (28) split minutes at center for much of the season but started during the tournament and averaged 14.3 points and 10.7 rebounds per game).    Spike Albrecht (221) and Caris LeVert (239) averaged 8.1 and 10.8 minutes per game respectively.   
 

On the 2017/18 team,  we had only one top 100 recruit (Jordan Poole ranked 93).   Isaiah Livers was ranked 133 and Eli Brooks was ranked 201.  While none of them started, they all played 10 or more minutes per game.     Livers (15.1) Poole (12.2) and Brookes (10.0).

If we just focus on top 50 guards, we have Dion Harris (25 overall, 4 shooting guard), Manny Harris (37 overall, #8 shooting guard).  Zak Irvin (28 overall, #7 shooting guard), Derrick Walton (45 overall and number 10 point guard).   Zak Irvin was the only one who did not start and he averaged 15.4 minutes per game, shooting 42.5% from 3 point).

Indonacious

May 19th, 2021 at 9:21 PM ^

Ya let alone we have 3 McDonald’s all Americans coming in with Houstan being a consensus top 10 player with a college ready game. Throw in Collins who is consensus top 50. I think our fanbase (and to be fair essentially all fanbases) has no idea how to process this type of talent coming in to the program to complement returning players like Dickinson, brooks, Johns and players like devante Jones as well. 

blue in dc

May 19th, 2021 at 10:54 PM ^

I don’t think the question is, are Bofkins, Collins and Jackson good enough to cover 20 minutes at the 1 and 2.   I think the question is, are Jones and Brooks good enough to keep them from taking more.

The only player I am totally comfortable assuming will get at least the 26 minutes per game he played last year is Dickinson.  Brooks brings so much to the team that I can’t imagine he won’t start, but I would not be surprised to see him average  less than 31.1 minutes per game.  Johns will likely see his minutes go up from 12.9 per game, but I am not sure that I am ready to pencil him in for starters minutes.

MNWolverine2

May 19th, 2021 at 11:53 AM ^

I predict that Zeb will play a much bigger role on this year's team than people think.  Him and Bufkin are similar players from a size/skill (and lefty!) standpoint.  Difference is, Zeb now has an extra year in the system, particularly on defense.  That, combined with a year of Camp Sanderson for Zeb (remember, these freshman got almost no pre-season time on campus last year) leads me to believe we will see a big jump from Zeb this year. 

Mich1993

May 19th, 2021 at 12:02 PM ^

I'm with you on Zeb Jackson.  There is a lot of youth on the bench and having a steady guy that can play D, not make mistakes and shoot well enough will be valuable. 

I predict he'll be a very good shooter next year too.  He's got a nice stroke.  He shot well in garbage time with no pressure.  I just think he needs more time on the court to get comfortable.  Given the talent on the bench, it is possible he doesn't get that time.

Indonacious

May 19th, 2021 at 9:24 PM ^

Impressive how Underhyped Kobe Bufkin (McDonald’s all American!!) is by our fans. His rise was only limited by his hairline fracture in his wrist, which I think kept him from being in the 30s ranking wise (he still was #42... and would have been a headliner for us by far many years). 

AC1997

May 19th, 2021 at 3:43 PM ^

According to the 247 composite he was #305.  Under Beilein, he had success finding those developmental projects:

  • Duncan - NR
  • Douglass - 313
  • Bielfeldt - 323
  • Morgan - 328
  • Dawkins - 396
  • Rahk - 434

Having a 6'5" guy who can shoot the lights out is still valuable even if he's not particularly athletic and you can dig up plenty of posts on this very website touting his shooting ability.  The issue is....he hasn't shot well so the other things start to matter.

schreibee

May 19th, 2021 at 5:15 PM ^

My mistake, I thought I remembered reading in this blog Nunez was very low ranked, and shot lights out at a camp or such Beilein attended, thus getting Coach B to offer believing he'd found his ultimate Coach B unicorn! 

Perhaps I fell for an urban myth?!

DetroitDan

May 19th, 2021 at 2:09 PM ^

Just watched me some Will Tschetter video.  Man -- That guy can finish at the basket as well as shoot from downtown.    Could see him getting some time when Houstan is on the bench.  Offensive juggernaut.

So we have a number of good offensive players whose defensive ability is unknown -- Barnes, Tschetter, Bufkin, Jones.  Williams and Diabate are the reverse.

Was Jackson really good in high school before he became a seldom used sub at IMG?

 

ShadowStorm33

May 19th, 2021 at 2:45 PM ^

Was Jackson really good in high school before he became a seldom used sub at IMG?

Sort of, yes? The thing about Zeb is that before transferring he was at a TINY school. I'd say his graduating class would have been ~40. Maumee Valley is not known for athletics, especially wrt basketball, and plays a bunch of other small schools, so probably about the weakest competition in Toledo.

So I'm not sure just how good he was vs. simply being in a completely different class athletically from his teammates and competition. My read on Zeb is that it's always been about potential; hopefully that starts to shine through in his second year.

AWAS

May 19th, 2021 at 3:12 PM ^

In addition to his on court contributions, Eli Brooks is going to be a de facto part of the coaching staff.  You could see that already last year making sure everyone was in the right place.  With the influx of new backcourt players, his presence becomes even more valuable.  If he helps the guards half as much as Austin Davis helped Hunter Dickinson, the team is in a very, very good place.

4th phase

May 19th, 2021 at 4:16 PM ^

Brian since you have the synergy and hoop lens subscriptions, how many Zebs 3s were catch and shoot and how many were off the dribble? 
 

Im going to stick with the prediction that it’s a 3 guard rotation of Jones, Brooks, Zeb. Zeb will have the best d of any of the young guys plus I expect him to shoot better as a catch and shoot option as opposed to running the offense and forcing it in Kenpom time.

AlbanyBlue

May 19th, 2021 at 7:03 PM ^

Brooks will be that 5th-year guy that brings reliable skills and ability as well as intangibles and leadership. Those kinds of players are necessary for deep tourney runs. Zeb will get his chance to show improvement, but he needs to play within the offense while doing that. I don't think Juwan is going to tolerate setting many possessions on fire with the talent and potential this team will have.

On a related note, it's really nice to be talking about how to make sure this team makes a deep tourney run again. These sure are fun topics.

k1400

May 19th, 2021 at 9:29 PM ^

....questionable finishing at the rim because of lack of size and bounce.

 Yeah but that Eli can THUNDER DUNK.  I know I didn't dream that, right?