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Hoops Preview: Florida State, Sweet 16 Comment Count

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THE ESSENTIALS

WHAT #3 Michigan (22-4, 14-3 B1G)
vs #13 FSU (18-6, 11-4 ACC)

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just like Northwestern?

WHERE Phil Klein Insurance Group Fieldhouse
Indianapolis, IN
WHEN 5 PM Eastern
Sunday, March 28th
THE LINE Kenpom: M -4
Torvik: M –1.3
TELEVISION CBS
PBP: Jim Nantz
Analyst: Hill/Raftery

THE OVERVIEW

Michigan's reached its sixth Sweet 16 in eight tournaments and faces a familiar foe: Florida State, which was the last team standing between Michigan and the 2018 Final Four. Despite the fact that only one Seminole still on the roster saw the floor that night (MJ Walker got eight minutes), this team will be extremely familiar. Giant persons? Check. Tendency to throw the ball into the stands? Check. More giant persons? Of course. Leonard Hamilton refusing to age? Certainly.

FSU had a pretty weird season that saw them limited to 15 ACC games and was punctuated by a bizarre ten-point loss to Notre Dame—probably the softest major-conference team in the nation—that cost them a regular season ACC title. They also lost to common opponent UCF by 12 and squeezed by Indiana by two in overtime. They lost to Georgia Tech in the ACC title game.

On the other hand FSU just detonated Colorado by 18 and possess double digit wins over Virginia, Clemson, and Louisville. They've got some juice.

THE US

Seth's graphic [click to embiggen]:

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No changes from last time out.

THE LINEUP CARD

Seth's graphic [click for big]:

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There are a couple guys who are likely to see the floor who didn't make the graphic because there are some MSU vibes from the rotation. (Not so much the post presence.)

[Hit THE JUMP for the rest of the preview.]

THE THEM

This will be close to the exact opposite of LSU. Leonard Hamilton likes Ents and he's got the Entiest team in all the land this year, #1 in average height per Kenpom. Hamilton also likes to roll deep. No FSU player has 70%+ minutes and 11 different guys get at least 6 MPG. This is one of those irritating situation where the Kenpom page, which bolds the top five guys in terms of minutes to denote starters, has a "starter" averaging under half the game. Meanwhile the highest-usage and best player is averaging almost 60% of minutes but is technically a bench player because Hamilton doesn't start him. Bah!

So we'll start with that bench player. Scottie Barnes is one of the weirdest dudes in the nation, a 6'9" guy with a legitimate claim as a point guard because he has a top 50 assist rate. He's also the kind of massively switchable, long defender the NBA covets. This has him in the top ten of most mock drafts. Sam Vecenie on Barnes:

… “do it all but scoring” wing/forward/point … often initiates the Seminole offense … terrific passer who sees the floor exceedingly well, making high-level reads. Defensively, he’s terrific as a help defender, although he hasn’t been quite as quick-twitch on the ball as expected. … going to have to figure out a way to score, as his touch doesn’t seem to be all that good around the basket or from distance.

Barnes's defensive disruption, length and big loping strides are reminiscent of Franz Wagner. Barnes is more of a playmaker and (much) less of a shooter. He's only taken 37 threes on the season and hits 30%. Barnes gets to the rim more than Wagner; both guys are superior finishers once there, especially since both guys mostly create their own looks. It won't be surprising to see those two guys go head to head for much of the game.

INDIANAPOLIS, IN - MARCH 22: M.J. Walker #23 of the Florida State Seminoles puts the ball up against the Colorado Buffalos in the second round of the 2021 NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Tournament at Indiana Farmers Coliseum on March 22, 2021 in Indianapolis, Indiana. (Photo by Josh Duplechian/NCAA Photos via Getty Images)

you're good if Walker is doing this [Josh Duplechian/NCAA Photos via Getty Images]

Barnes is most often flanked by two near-identical guys who probably want to be called shooting guards but are more realistically wings. MJ Walker and Anthony Polite are both Not Just A Shooter types who split their attempts down the middle between twos and threes and are exceptionally dangerous outside the line. Both hit 44% from deep.

Walker is higher usage and better at the line but has an elevated TO rate; Polite is the better rebounder and more efficient inside the line largely because he's a solid midrange shooter and Walker is a poor one. Walker is more of a guard. He's FSU's leading ball screen user. Unlike Javonte Smart, if he's shooting off the dribble against drop coverage this is completely fine.

INDIANAPOLIS, IN - MARCH 20: Florida State Seminoles against the UNC Greensboro Spartans in the first round of the 2021 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament held at Bankers Life Fieldhouse on March 20, 2021 in Indianapolis, Indiana. (Photo by Joe Robbins/NCAA Photos via Getty Images)

Gray is a load [Joe Robbins/NCAA Photos via Getty Images]

Power forward Raiquan Gray puts the "power" in power forward at a thunderous 260 pounds. He's at his best around the basket and gets there a bunch. Like Barnes, he puts up the very occasional three, but he's more or less exactly what you'd expect from a guy his shape and size: a rebounder and guy who will play bully ball at the basket, finishing through contact.

Synergy files Gray's shots under all kinds of different things but an oddly large number of them are spot ups—a third of his halfcourt shots—despite the fact that he's got a 42% eFG rate on them. This is not a team you want to give catch and shoot looks but Gray is the exception.

We're about to address this in the next section, but FSU plays Gray at center a fair bit and this has usually gone extremely badly.

INDIANAPOLIS, IN - MARCH 21: Florida State plays Colorado in the second round of the 2021 NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Tournament held at Indiana Farmers Coliseum on March 21, 2021 in Indianapolis, Indiana. (Photo by Trevor Brown Jr/NCAA Photos via Getty Images)

Ol' Glider Material, they call him [Trevor Brown Jr/NCAA Photos via Getty Images]

Center Balsa Koprivica is almost exclusively a garbage man on offense, deriving the vast majority of his half-court shots from putbacks, cuts to the basket, and acting as the roll man on PNR. He does post up a bit and is miserable doing so, shooting 7/21 in those situations with a TO rate of 21. He is extremely bad once pushed outside the paint, hitting 27% on other twos. He is efficient at the rim, as befits a seven-footer who's not generating his own shots.

Despite this peripheral role on offense, Koprivica is critical to the whole Seminole enterprise largely because when he goes to the bench most of the time it's Gray moving over to the five, and that's been a fiasco:

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In a word, woof.

Part of this is Koprivica been a legitimately game-changing defender. He's got a top 50 block rate and the above 2P% numbers speak for themselves. But that block rate comes with a cost. Koprivica tries to block everything, which leads to an elevated foul rate (5.6 per 40) and a number of Kobe assists. Koprivica fouled out in 11 minutes against Colorado and was limited to 24 and 26 minutes in FSU's previous two outings because he picked up four fouls in both games. Meanwhile, I think something's off with Hoop Lens's coloring on the rebounding line, because FSU is 296th nationally in cleaning up their own glass. They yield a 31.8% OREB rate; that 31.7 is Very Bad Actually.

How does Koprivica do against post ups? I don't know and nobody else does either. He's faced a total of 13 this year. It is notable that Trayce Jackson-Davis roasted FSU in a 69-67 OT win for the Seminoles. TJD had 25 points on 21 shooting possessions and seven offensive rebounds. If anyone else had done anything for Indiana—a recurring theme for the Hoosiers—they would have won. Meanwhile the only team that does anything in the post in the ACC is North Carolina's broke-ass offense, and they have a bunch of guys grading out at around 50th percentile. Dickinson and Davis are around 90th percentile.

The Florida State bench is extensive:

  • Senior SG RayQuan Evans technically starts but is a low-usage gent under 20 MPG so he's slotted here. Evans is the worst offensive player FSU has. His strategy is to bull his way towards the rim no matter what and try to draw fouls. He does draw a lot of fouls; he hits 42% at the rim, which seems impossible.
  • Backup C Tanor Ngom transferred in from the Canadian equivalent of the NCAA—not sure I've ever seen that before—because Hamilton wasn't full up on seven footers. He's 7'2" and gets 6 MPG. Giant block rate, 30+ TO rate, zero assists on the year, almost never dribbles, you get the idea. Ngom only got seven minutes against Colorado despite Koprivica fouling out in 11, so he's got a hard cap on PT and it'll Gray, mostly, when Koprivica is out.
  • Junior PF Malik Osborne crashes the glass, gets to the line, and hits 84% once there. He's got a little three point shooting as well. Like Calhoun, he's a black hole.
  • 6'6" wing Sardaar Calhoun is a JUCO transfer who's best as a shooter (40% from three) but does have some ability to get to the basket himself. He's a bit of a black hole.
  • Junior stretch four Wyatt Wilkes is just a shooter hitting 38% from deep.
  • So is SG Nathaniel Jack.

THE TEMPO-FREE

Left defense, right offense:

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FSU's very good at threes (16th nationally) but doesn't take many because they have a limited number of shooters. They punt the ball OOB a lot because Barnes isn't really truly a point guard and their secondary playmaker, Walker, is a bit of a butterfingers. Obligatory Florida State stuff: OREBs because they're massive, blocks (11th) because they're massive, poor DREBs and FTAs allowed because they aggressively contest everything.

Like LSU, LSU has a combination of lots of threes allowed and good three point D. The disparity isn't nearly as big as LSU's and there is a mechanism that makes you think that those numbers could be real. Excellent two point defense (10th) can lead to more and worse looks from three.

FSU is tenth nationally at defending the rim, FWIW.

THE KEYS

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do not close out on these please [Campredon]

No clean looks. Synergy coughed up an incredible disparity here. Florida State is 99th percentile(!) on catch and shoot jumpers, averaging 1.26 PPP on them. That is 339 possessions—extremely robust. They are 2nd percentile(!) on jumpers off the dribble, averaging 0.59 PPP. That will likely be the game.

There is good news here for Michigan, which does a very good job at preventing catch and shoot opportunities (14th nationally) and forces a ton of dribble jumpers (12th nationally). This is not a game where FSU's ability to shoot over Michigan's guards when drives get cut off is going to be relevant like it was against LSU. The imperative is clear: close out like maniacs on Polite and Walker (and the bench shooters) and use help defense to force guys to put it up before they can get to the rack.

This is a perfect fit for Michigan's drop coverage.

Test Koprivica. Koprivica has literally not seen anyone like Hunter Dickinson this year. He is foul prone and FSU's gone off a cliff when they've played Gray at center. FSU's team numbers against post-ups are scanty but encouraging for M: 7th percentile in 82 posts ups + pass out situations, and 16th percentile on the 28 possessions where there's been a hard double team. Michigan goes to the post early quite a bit and should be going out of its way to get Dickinson going, for multiple reasons.

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Punish switches. FSU loves to switch everything one through five. This explains why Koprivica has faced under 20% of opponent post-ups. Koprivica has surprising agility on the outside and often forces heavily contested threes on his switch, so here too it looks like the gameplan should be dumping it to Dickinson. That'll likely create post doubles and rotations and open threes. Hopefully there's a contrast here between this Michigan team and the ones that faced Xavier Tillman-era MSU.

Know your personnel. FSU will be fielding two non-shooters most of the game and sometimes three. Meanwhile the guys who can shoot vary from very good to deadly. Michigan can do a lot of work by sagging off guys, particularly an excellent passer but iffy shooter like Barnes, but have to keep their heads straight if they're going to be switching on screens lest Polite and Walker get open looks.

Think about zones? Ace pointed out that the ACC championship game against Georgia Tech featured 25 FSU turnovers as the Seminoles struggled with GT's weird matchup zone:

On a season-long basis there's not much difference between FSU's performance versus man or zone, and Michigan hasn't put as much practice time in as GT has. But if things are going badly, or Dickinson's in foul trouble, or Austin Davis is in the game, it might be worth seeing if the matchup zone can stall FSU out and maybe induce some more of those dribble jumpers.

THE SECTION WHERE I PREDICT THE SAME THING KENPOM DOES

Michigan by 4.

Comments

WolverineinLA

March 25th, 2021 at 3:56 PM ^

I was there with my MIL at the Staples Center. She is an FSU alum and I am a Michigan alum. Was a great game and celebrated hard after. Watching the game at their house this year, we will have to be in separate rooms this time as we both get heated watching our teams!

BlueinGeorgia

March 25th, 2021 at 6:34 PM ^

I was at the Texas A&M game as well, the only Michigan bball game I've seen in person.  What a sweet game it was watching everyone hit everything from the floor.  That game had such an atmosphere of a home game with all the Michigan fans, it was incredible.  I'd like to go to another game, I'm just worried it won't live up to the experience of my first one. :) 

TrueBlue2003

March 26th, 2021 at 3:10 PM ^

Yeah, that one will be tough to beat but don't stop there!  While Michigan played amazingly, it wasn't a close game and the opponent wasn't all that fun - not even as fun as a conference foe and certainly not like a blue blood.

I went to the title game that year too. Was amazing for about the first 10 minutes of the game and then Divincenzo went nuts.  I will keep going to the big ones just because I'll want to be there if / when we break through.

gweb

March 25th, 2021 at 7:15 PM ^

Ha, we will be at Hollywood studios on Sunday and Disney world on Tuesday. Somehow I booked the only two days that Michigan would play. Oh well. 
 

My wife doesn’t want me to represent M gear since they play FSU on Sunday and thinks we will get heckled all day - likely fair point. 

IDKaGoodName

March 25th, 2021 at 8:40 PM ^

Funny, I was in Florida at Universal Studios years ago, rocking my michigan gear standing in line for some Harry Potter ride. Saw a guy queued behind me decked out in michigan gear and yelled out a "GO BLUE" and he literally just looked at me and didn't say a word, didn't smile, didn't gesture. Just left me hangin. Bummed, I was.

MGlobules

March 26th, 2021 at 12:06 AM ^

I live in Tallahassee, and--curiously--I find bball fans to be almost another breed from FSU football fans, who are sometimes annoying (though not aggressive, in my view, like OSU fans). They are really into their team, which tends to sell out its home games, but very respectful of other schools and their traditions, anxious to build their own. 

UPMichigan

March 25th, 2021 at 4:09 PM ^

I like seeing both guards with banana peels and a center who doesn't shoot 3's. Should allow Dickinson to stay deep in the paint without having to move out to the perimeter as much. I'm probably wrong, but it just seems like he gets gassed quickly in games where he has to move out to the perimeter a lot on defense.

mistersuits

March 25th, 2021 at 4:18 PM ^

In 2018 MAAR+Simpson had twice as my drives end in blocks (4) as made baskets (2). Michigan was bailed out by Charles Matthews putting up a team high 17 points. We're going to really need good Franz to show up and play the whole game to win.

bronxblue

March 25th, 2021 at 4:46 PM ^

True, though Michigan also had an uncharacteristically bad shooting night for them, especially on 3s (4/22 despite coming into the game as a 35% shooting team and FSU being pretty bad at defending 3s).  It was one of those games where everybody played good defense but also both teams just threw rocks at the backboards.

I agree that Wagner will be key, but so will guys like Brown, Smith, and Brooks.  Those guys can all shoot and FSU's defense seems prone to closing out near the basket so there might be some good looks for guys if they spot up.

yossarians tree

March 25th, 2021 at 4:47 PM ^

LOL I had to take a second and a third look at that photo before I fully realized it's beauty. However it leaves the burning question of what book he's reading.

I still think Seth's graphic really needs to provide scoring averages. I've asked before but apparently this is not a democracy.

Jordan2323

March 25th, 2021 at 4:50 PM ^

I’m a little concerned about the post entry to Hunter from Brooks and Smith with these big guards and wings out there. We may have to do a lot of the post entries from Wagner, Johns, Brown and Williams. I also think it is imperative to drive the ball but maybe not into the teeth of the defense with Smith and Brooks. I’m thinking more of drive and kick because I don’t thing their players will be as laterally effective as they are vertically. This will be a good game for Johns, Wagner and Williams to get those outback opportunities. Hopefully Brooks and Brown are on again. Need Wagner to step up as well. 

IDKaGoodName

March 25th, 2021 at 8:46 PM ^

Yeah wouldn't be bad to see plenty of Franz banana cuts to the center of the key and attacking the basket, looking to dump off or kick out. Once the dump off happens, Dickinson finishes strong. Once the kick out happens, you swing it around the outside making all the extra passes, as Michigan loves to do, and get your open looks. I agree that lateral agility may play as a strength for Michigan in this game, and we move the ball so well this could be a huge factor for the outcome of the game

TrueBlue2003

March 25th, 2021 at 5:25 PM ^

Zones don't prevent threes.  Zones give up wide open threes pretty easily.  Would probably be a terrible thing to do against a team with a few really good three point shooters and no major inside threat and no elite slashers.  Stick to the shooters, help off the rest of the guys and they should be fine.

Qmatic

March 25th, 2021 at 7:09 PM ^

They do give up open 3’s but different than busted coverage in Man. You’ll notice that teams pass up good 3’s in a zone because they get accustomed to fast close outs so they aren’t as open for so long. You notice watching teams play Syracuse. A lot of open looks second guessed and then followed by a turnover.

Now a team with multiple 40% shooters...I’d caution against the zone

TrueBlue2003

March 26th, 2021 at 3:23 PM ^

But we're a very good man team that rarely busts coverages.  Hence Michigan's low rate of threes given up (32.1% of FGA, 30th best in the country).

Syracuse gives up a boatload of threes. mid-40% of FGA.  Consistently amongst the most in the country and that's typical for any zone team.  They're only the 83rd best defense in basketball - that's very bad for a P5 team, it's Iowa level.  And that's despite having excellent shot blocking and 2pt FG defense...because of all those threes they give up (and OREBs which zones give up as well).

Michigan absolutely cannot afford to let Polite and Walker get open or give up OREBs and a zone exposes them to both.  Their base man is perfect for this FSU team and that's what they should run.  The occasional zone changeup? Fine. But that's it.

TrueBlue2003

March 25th, 2021 at 5:00 PM ^

My number 1 key, by far: PROTECT THE BASKETBALL.

Michigan has had some issues with turnovers this year, especially Mike Smith.  FSU's length and their ability to switch everything is a bit scary.  Passing lanes will be tight.  Turning Michigan over will likely be FSUs best chance because it'll also allow them to get in transition where they're far more dangerous than in the half court.

Colorado turned it over on 29% of possessions and that was the game. Michigan can't do that.

Secondarily, yes, Dickinson v Koprivica will be important.  And I think Koprivica's lack of post plays defended probably says that teams haven't been willing to challenge him.  He could limit Hunter. However, I feel better about Michigan's ability to create from the perimeter than was the case against Illinois when Kofi neutralized Hunter. I don't think FSU's guards are as athletic but it would put a lot of pressure on Smith, Brooks and Wagner to create.

On the bright side, no one on FSU scares me on the offensive end of the floor to the extent that Smart and Thomas of LSU scared me.  Even Barnes I think should be kept in check by Wagner because he can play off him a little bit and it's massively to Michigan's favor that they can play their drop coverage without too many concerns. Hence, protect the ball and FSU will have a hard time scoring.

I feel like the LSU game was one in which the variance could have seen Michigan win by 30 but also lose by 10 if Thomas / Smart stayed hot with an expectation that Michigan would win by 8-10ish.  This feels like the expectation is Michigan will win my 4 but the variance will be low enough that I'm not sure there are more the 3 in 10 in which FSU gets the W.

Just win the game, baby!

TrueBlue2003

March 25th, 2021 at 5:31 PM ^

Fair. But their length means that even if they switch a big onto Eli Brooks and he blows by that big, they have plenty more length to help out.  Even if they're successful at beating the first guy, need to make sure not to get stuffed or throw away passes when the help comes.

And I'm picturing Mike Smith trying to throw an entry pass over an Ent.  Need to be very careful about not forcing things just because you have a weird matchup.  They have length all over the court and that makes for tighter passing lanes. 

SHub'68

March 25th, 2021 at 5:36 PM ^

"Koprivica has literally not seen anyone like Hunter Dickinson this year. He is foul prone"

This is where we'll need decent officiating. Not the kind that had guys all over Dickinson with no calls, then getting him for something ticky-tacky.

It seems like maybe this will be the kind of game where Davis could go off on offense under the basket with all his nifty post plays. Maybe send him in there as Dickinson's first relief. Mission: draw fouls on Koprivica.

Maybe Smith: a lot more penetrate and dish to the shooters, penetrate and pocket pass to any of the bigs versus trying to do too much that requires him to shoot over people.

And oh yeah, Dickinson: please do not get reaching in fouls at half court.

ehatch

March 25th, 2021 at 5:44 PM ^

The one common element to FSU's losses this season -- Defensive Rebounding. Against UCF, UCF rebounded 37.0%. Indiana (a win, but OT), 37.5%. Clemson 41.3%. Georgia Tech I 29.4%. North Carolina 52.6% (!). Notre Dame 24.2% (This is basically our average, by comparison). Georgia Tech II 36.8%.

 

This is a bad defensive rebounding team, we need to cash in on second chance points. I am concerned with their length in the backcourt. Dickinson needs to stay disciplined and play like he did at the beginning of the year, because I feel he's the key to this game.