Tillman being able to sag off Johns was a huge problem for M's offense. [Marc-Gregor Campredon]

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Ace January 8th, 2020 at 10:40 AM

Brian's post-MSU game column hit the nail on the head.

Livers was not replaceable. Not that we thought he was, but two of the above three bullet points were impacted by Livers's absence. Obviously missing your 50% three point shooter is an issue. [Brandon] Johns had a decent game, all things considered, but after he missed an early three he started turning down open shots. Michigan turned those into much worse shots.

As Brian mentioned, having Zavier Simpson at point guard comes with some limitations. The one most exposed at Breslin is that, when your point guard isn't an outside shooting threat, you need everyone else in your lineup to be a relatively confident and competent three-point shooter. Johns didn't have the confidence on Sunday and it played a big part in wrecking Michigan's spacing.

While this play ends in a made basket, it was an early turning point. Johns gets a pass in the corner while his defender, Xavier Tillman, still has a foot in the paint. This should be an automatic shot. Instead, Johns passes it out, and Michigan is forced to end the possession with a Jon Teske post-up—he has to turn away from a double-team that doesn't even include Tillman lurking in the lane to hit a tough baseline hook:

That's a nice finish by Teske. The expected value on that shot, however, is significantly lower than Johns attempting a wide open corner three. Tillman got the message that he didn't need to respect Johns on the perimeter. That'd have major ramifications for the rest of the game.

[Hit THE JUMP for an example of those ramifications.]

The difference between Johns and Isaiah Livers leapt out later in the first half. To start, I'm not sure why he's hanging out mid-play in the midrange area and not either beyond the three-point line or down low in the dunker spot. Michigan is setting up a two-man game with Franz Wagner and Teske on the near side of the court. Johns isn't threatening anything and his initial positioning lets Tillman set up in the lane:


Tillman is standing just below the 'G' in the B1G logo.

MSU's Marcus Bingham stays home on Teske, so Wagner looks to drive to the hoop. Johns recognizes this and begins to drift out to the three-point line. Tillman, however, sees no reason to follow him there, instead sinking lower in the paint:

Johns poses little threat because, instead of having his feet set behind the arc, he's backpedaling into position; even if Wagner decides to kick it out to him, Tillman is going to have some time to recover while Johns gets set up to shoot. Wagner chooses to attack before Johns gets set, which is understandable—the game moves too fast to wait. The problem is he now has two defenders ready to contest his shot:

The problems here are now two-fold. Wagner gets stuffed at the rim on his initial attempt because he's trying to go through two players, one of whom is an athletic big man. Then, even though he gets a second chance and his initial defender is out of the play, Wagner is stuffed again because Tillman is still there. Wagner's initial defender is then free to grab the defensive rebound without resistance. In motion:

Johns eventually made a three-pointer on his fourth attempt of the game, though it came after a couple hesitant outside shots that didn't change the way MSU played him. This positioning and decisiveness is what Michigan desperately needs out of Johns while Livers is out of the lineup:

Don't get me wrong: I'm encouraged by Johns's development this season. He had some really promising moments in this game, particularly when going to work down low, and his offensive rebounding can be a legitimate game-changer.

The Livers injury is forcing some players outside of their comfort zone, however, and if he's out an extended period of time, a lot is going to ride on Johns's confidence in his shot. This look at on/off numbers with guarantee games removed is alarming, even when you account for considerable three-point noise:

via Hoop Lens

Michigan doesn't have enough shooting right now if Johns is going to be hesitant. While his rebounding impact is considerable on the offensive end, he's not a great defensive rebounder, nor is he on Livers's level as an on- or off-ball defender. I wouldn't get too scared off by the defensive numbers, even the ugly two-point figure, since much of this is from the MSU game—I'm not gonna fault Johns much for what Cassius Winston did to M's defense.

The offense, though, is harder to ignore. The team turnover rate goes up and their two-point shooting falls by nearly five full percentage points, which I have to believe is a product of poor spacing. While the three-point dropoff is so massive as to be unsustainable, there's no question M's shooting is going to be worse without Livers drilling half his triples. Johns doesn't have to do that to keep this offense afloat; he does have to force defenses to show at least a little respect for his shot, though.

Comments

GhostofJermain…

January 8th, 2020 at 11:14 AM ^

Fab Five 2.0 is only a few months out.  Who would have thought 2 years ago the worst rated player in the 2020 class will be either Juwan Howard son or Zeb Jackson.  We are on a jet plane!

Cheers

JeepinBen

January 8th, 2020 at 11:42 AM ^

Nice detailed writeup Ace. It almost looks to me like in the video of your first example X tells Johns something on X's way out to the perimeter. He at least gives him an extended look. Hopefully it's "shoot that!"

TrueBlue2003

January 9th, 2020 at 1:20 AM ^

I'm surprised it continued most of the game because every coach had to be telling him "SHOOT THAT" every time he came out, all halftime...

I said before the game I thought Simpson was the most irreplaceable when someone suggested Livers was.  I was wrong. It's Livers, unfortunately.  Johns is still wildly inconsistent (he does a lot of things wrong that muck up plays like this stuff - on both ends).

outsidethebox

January 8th, 2020 at 11:46 AM ^

Given this roster, Michigan's early season success made no sense to me. All the opponent had to do was guard Livers and stay in the vicinity of the other four. But folks have caught on. and now with Livers out all they have to do is hang around while Simpson dribbles out the shot-clock then take a run at whomever he passes it too. That this fairly successful D1 program does not have a single player on the roster who can even halfway create their own shot has been exposed. Michigan has 15 nice complimentary players and zero alphas who can attack. I believe this is the primary reason Beilein left-he's no dummy...knew what was coming-did not want to endure the consequences. It is going to be very interesting to see how Coach and his staff approach the rest of this season.   

ak47

January 8th, 2020 at 12:57 PM ^

It wasn't that off the rails. Part of the speculation around JB's departure is that when Iggy and Poole left early he got frustrated about having to "start over" again and how frequently it happened due to guys leaving after 2 years. This roster was always going to top out as just ok without some major leaps from guys like Brooks, DDJ, and Johns. It looked like me get that in Atlantis but now it seems more like we got small jumps not massive leaps which takes this team from a bubble team to solidly in but not a protected seed. If Howard gets this team to a 6 or 7 seed that is fantastic coaching and what people would have been hoping for as the high end of expectations even if Beilein had come back. If he gets us to a 6 seed and brings in a top 5 class on top of that he will have had a better year with this group than anyone would have reasonably predicted.

TrueBlue2003

January 9th, 2020 at 1:32 AM ^

1. Michigan has barely been worse on offense this year than last year (they're sitting at 32nd right now and were 22nd last year) so I don't know why everyone is acting like it's fallen off a cliff.  The defense is the far bigger problem: it has fallen off a cliff a bit (2nd to 38th).  You can't give up 87 points at Breslin and expect to have any chance.

2. Michigan got tons of good looks against MSU even without Livers.  PLENTY of opportunities.  They had 23 mostly good threes and just didn't make many and they passed up a bunch more for no apparent reason.  Those are mostly created by Z which is largely their offense but it was very encouraging to see Teske and Davis go to work in the post as well.

Mongo

January 8th, 2020 at 11:47 AM ^

John's does not look comfortable in shooting 3s, never has and probably not going to be like Livers.  We need Wagner or Brooks to shoot those wide open attempts.  Might want to consider Johns and Teske in a high / low post.  Hopefully, demanding some double team help inside from which they can dish out to Wagner or Brooks in the open corner.  If no help, just pound it inside and look for offensive follow-ups. 

Johns does not look comfortable on the perimeter.  Like that Wagner drive to the hoop in the above clip should be in Johns' game.  Wagner should be in the corner for the open look triple.

TrueBlue2003

January 9th, 2020 at 1:35 AM ^

There's a reason they're leaving Johns open.  They know he's the gun-shy player.  That's the whole point of the post.  If he was the guy driving they wouldn't leave Franz as open.  We have no evidence that Johns is a guy that can drive and kick anyway.  That's almost certainly not part of his game right now.  He needs to either start shooting it or give way to Castleton or even Bajema (who then would need to shoot it).

maize-blue

January 8th, 2020 at 12:11 PM ^

I think they are settling back down to what a lot of us thought they would be, a clunky offensive team that may have occasional outbursts of good shooting. They are good enough to beat most teams in the country when they get good contributions from the supporting players. But it remains to be seen if these guys can regularly step up.

I think the goal for the season is not to win the conference, make the Elite Eight or Final Four, but to look decent enough to keep this recruiting class together.

MGoBender

January 8th, 2020 at 12:39 PM ^

I think the goal for the season is not to win the conference, make the Elite Eight or Final Four, but to look decent enough to keep this recruiting class together.

That's kind of a weird goal. How about, the goal should be to finish top 6 in conference, and be a tough out in the tournament (i.e. legitimate Sweet 16 candidate).

They are essentially the same goal, but why write off this season on January 8? Particularly when this team has a #1 seed W on its resume already.

KBLOW

January 8th, 2020 at 1:11 PM ^

I really don't get how Johns can look as bad as he did in that game. Yes, he didn't lose it for us and though he contributed to poor team 3pt shooting, so did Wagner. But, dang, things like refusing wide-open 3s and his brainfart of spacing seem to be issues that really ought to not be issues this far into the season. The game just shouldn't be moving too fast for him at this point. 

DonBrownStache

January 8th, 2020 at 2:27 PM ^

Hes got all the traits of a kid with supreme talent but lacks confidence. You can see a lot of that in high school ball but most of the kids with the skill set to make a D1 program don't have those issues. I've never had the pleasure of meeting Juwan but he seems like the right guy to inspire confidence in a kid like that, I would be surprised if we don't see some rapid(ish) improvement in his output this year.

L'Carpetron Do…

January 8th, 2020 at 1:55 PM ^

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Johns, Brooks, Wagner and Simpson all turned down open shots and it routinely resulted in worse shots later on. A few times they even pumped, took a dribble and then shot because State wasn't challenging it - but at that point the rhythm was gone. Castleton actually took a long ugly 3 in the first half and while I wasn't a fan of that shot I have to give him credit for pulling the trigger - it was the right decision. Johns/Brooks/Wagner should've done the same. 

AC1997

January 8th, 2020 at 8:51 PM ^

Ace - your summary is 100% correct, especially the part about his positioning on the court.  However, I think the narrative is a little exaggerated because I don't think Johns going 2-9 or something from outside was going to make MSU respect him more.  While I want him taking confident open 3s, I'm not convinced that he'll make more than 30% of them right now.  (The talk about being a good shooter in HS is a little overblown since he only hit 31%.)  

I was far more concerned that we got nothing out of Brooks or DDJ.  Those guys were mostly guarded by Winston, a bad defender, and got nothing.  Simpson always got a tough defender and Wagner got Henry on him.  Asking Johns to step up is true....but there's still a ceiling there as he improves.  DDJ and Brooks needed to give us SOMETHING and didn't.  

TrueBlue2003

January 9th, 2020 at 1:45 AM ^

3-9 is 33%.  He should be a 33% shooter (not a 22% shooter) and we'd take 33% all day from him because not only is that 1 point per possession (assuming 0 OREBs on the misses), it's good enough to make the opponent play a half step closer to him and spread things out.

Brooks took his open threes, he just missed them, unfortunately.  I am disappointed that they stuck him in a corner after MSU switched Winston on him (and Henry on Simpson).  The coaches needed to scheme Brooks more into things.  Unfortunately, if you give the ball to Brooks, you have to put Z in the corner and that's even worse for spacing than having Johns there.