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Hoops Hello: Terrance Williams Comment Count

Matt EM January 2nd, 2020 at 4:04 PM

Well, that was quick. Two days after completing his official visit to Ann Arbor, Terrance Williams gave the Wolverines their 4th commitment of the 2020 class with his announcement on Twitter this evening

GURU RANKINGS

Rivals

ESPN

24/7

Endless Motor

4*, #94 overall

#23 SF

4*, #77 overall

#14 PF, #1 D.C.

4*, #100 overall
#22 PF, #1 D.C.

4*, #108 overall

#23 PF

Three of the services generally agree on Terrance being a back-end four-star, while ESPN is a bit more bullish with their top 75ish assessment. There is a consensus height for Williams at 6'6, with some disagreement on girth. Rivals sees a lighter version of Terrance at 210, while ESPN and 247 go slightly higher at 215 pounds. Endless Motor lists him at 230. The most recent measurement has him at 6'4.5 without shoes and a tad short of 224 pounds via the 2018 Nike Elite 100.  My recent eye test in December at the National High School Hoops Festival in tandem with the 2018 measurement likely means he's closer to 230 than 210.

SCOUTING

Michigan is getting a very unique prospect, the likes of which we never saw during the Beilein tenure. Terrance is a versatile mismatch forward that is too strong for typical wings to handle, while being able to exploit opposing bigs with his ball skills and perimeter shotmaking.

A true three-level scorer, Williams consistently bullies defenders to the rim off the bounce with superior strength before finishing with good body control. He's also a solid shooter from beyond the arch that can stretch out a defense from the perimeter. He's perhaps most dangerous from the mid-post area where he displays a very good turnaround jumper in addition to a face-up game.

Terrance is also a plus-rebounder, particularly on the offensive glass. He doesn’t have great size at 6’6, but he has a surprisingly quick second jump given his physical profile. That, in tandem with his motor, likely mean he’s an adequate rebounder for Michigan that will provide some garbage points via putbacks.

Defensively, he’s best suited as a PF that offers strong position defense against the would-be bullies of the B10. Williams won’t provide much rim protection and may be susceptible to the occasional blow-by if switched on a guard, but I don’t see this as much of an issue with the Wolverines running drop coverage against pick and roll.

Perhaps the best thing about Terrance is that he accepts, and embraces, his role as a combo-forward as opposed to viewing himself as a guard. He’s an average athlete that uses a combination of skill and brute strength to be effective rather than attempting to be strictly finesse. He has limited upside for NBA purposes, but has the look of a guy that will produce at a solid rate for 2-3 years in Ann Arbor.

I love the evaluation from Rivals’ Eric Bossi, in which he essentially says to hell with measurables because the kid produces.

“Exactly what position Williams fits on the next level, there really isn't a defined role. Just expect that he's going to find a way on the floor and he's going to find ways to be productive. He scores inside when he needs to, starts making jumpers when his inside game gets figured out and he always seems to end up having put together a much better statistical line than you would expect. Just focus on what he does and that's produce.”

ESPN has a somewhat bizarre scouting report that seems as if it was thrown together in a hurry once Williams committed if the 1/1/20 date is any indication. Projecting him as best-suited for a workhorse role with an occasional jumpshot and then throwing around ‘sky is the limit’ and ‘compete at the highest level’ is hard to reconcile.

“Terrance has reach and uses it. This neophyte will crash the glass, seeming to understand that at his size and relative strength THAT is where he can make his mark now. Williams can also shoot it comfortably and ably to 15' with the 3-ball not far from being consistent. For now, though, he seems receptive - unlike some young 'Bigs' - to toil where he can shine: near the basket with touch and strength. Can also get to the rim with one dribble from the free throw line. Terrance is truly one of those 'sky is the limit' youngsters. He has the size, strength and burgeoning skill set to - projected - compete at the highest level. More power, continued improvement on both his inside and outside game would make Terrance a true nightmare to contend with.”

Jerry Meyer of 247 echoes my versatility thoughts with his 2018 assessment:

“Has strong physique and plays with toughness. Not an explosive athlete or high leaper, but has physical/functional athleticism. Has good hands and feet. Reliable positional rebounder. Average ball handler and passer. Has efficient shooting form and potential to stretch the defense in college. Has versatility as a big man defender.”

[After THE JUMP: geez it feels good projecting a top-100 type as a positional luxury]

OFFERS

Originally a Patrick Ewing commit, Terrance decided to open things up as a myriad of bad things occurred at Georgetown. In the immediate aftermath, UCLA, Notre Dame, Miami, Stanford, South Carolina, DePaul, Providence, and Nebraska all extended scholarship offers.

HIGH SCHOOL

Gonzaga College High School is a basketball powerhouse located in the District of Columbia. The Purple Eagles face stiff competition in the DMV-area and have notable alumni such as John Thompson III (former Georgetown coach), Nate Britt (North Carolina), Chris Lykes (Miami), Prentiss Hubb (Notre Dame), Myles Dread (Penn State), Kris Jenkins (Villanova) and Bryant Crawford (Wake Forest).

The current Gonzaga team features a few other highly touted prospects in Myles Stute (Vanderbilt commit) and Chuck Harris (Butler commit) on a top 25 squad nationally.

STATS

Williams went for 15.6 points and 5.6 rebounds per contest with an efficient 54.1% from the field and 36% from distance during the 2019 EYBL season.

VIDEO

Courtside Films 2019 City of Palms:

Endless Motor 2019 2019 EYBL Session II:

Scoopman TV 2019 NBPA Top 100 Camp:

PREDICTION BASED ON FLIMSY EVIDENCE

Michigan has great depth at the SF/PF spot, and with that you can expect Williams to get limited playing time as a freshman. Just how much time will largely depend on how things go with Isaiah Livers this season and the status of Isaiah Todd. Both are impossible to confidently project at this point, with Livers’ injury and ‘cruitin for Todd. I’ll undoubtedly look foolish, but will attempt to play both sides of the fence for your laughing pleasure.

Its probably not far-fetched to project Livers returning next year with his health status unclear and no meaningful progression as a shot creator. If that is the case, its going to be nearly impossible for Terrance to nab real minutes during conference play with a forward rotation featuring returning starters in Livers/Wagner and a solid backup in Johns. If Todd ends up on campus, you can most certainly expect token minutes at best in the mold of Cole Bajema.

On the other hand, if Livers gets healthy and helps lead Michigan to a solid tourney run, perhaps he sees this as the best opportunity for NBA pastures. In that scenario you’d likely see Johns get significant minutes at PF with Wagner manning the starting SF position. Todd would be the wildcard, and might supplant Johns as a starter, but both would garner real playing time. If Todd finds the overseas option more appealing, it is possible for Williams to get some backup minutes at the forward spot.

In any event, the most likely scenario is a limited role for the 19-20 season, with emphasis on Camp Sanderson and refining his physique a bit. As a sophomore, he will likely emerge as real rotational piece that could lock down a starting spot depending on how Wagner and Johns develop. I’d expect Terrance to produce at a solid clip as a guy that stretches the floor a bit while beating up smaller defenders. As an upperclassmen, I think a reasonable expectation is around 10-13 points per night and 4-6 rebounds with frequent trips to the FT line.

Again, the versatility is his greatest asset. Williams can be a PF against smaller defenders while taking on more of a hybrid wing/forward role if the opposition throws a 6’8-6’9 defender on him. He brings a ton of lineup flexibility.

UPSHOT FOR THE REST OF THE CLASS

Terrance is the fourth member of the 2020 class, joining four-star PG Zeb Jackson, five-star forward Isaiah Todd and four-star Hunter Dickinson. Michigan has at least one more open slot, and possibly two, depending on the status of Todd. Top-10 guard Josh Christopher is the clear priority at guard and has the Wolverines in his top 4. Expect Jace Howard to end up in the class one way or another as well.

Comments

timtebro

January 2nd, 2020 at 4:07 PM ^

Sounds like Draymond Green (minus being Draymond Green and all..).... Also sounds like a potential B1G "he's been around forever" kind of guy. Looking forward to seeing him play!

MaizeBlueA2

January 2nd, 2020 at 5:35 PM ^

Excellent comparison and I think people are going to be shocked at how effective and how good this kid will be as a college player.

I'm sure Howard sold him on LeBron, but he plays a lot like Green.

I think he could be a guy that we look up and say he's one of the best players to come through Michigan THIS decade.

outsidethebox

January 2nd, 2020 at 6:13 PM ^

I think he committed because Juwan is not a jerk bull-shitter and Terrance felt that authenticity. Coach sure as hell did not tell him he was LeBron.

I love how this kid plays. I know Rick Fox is before many of y'alls time but this kid is Rick with a little Barkley mixed in-and that is a very good thing.  Absolutely love how he uses his body...and his ability to score, as Matt notes, at all three levels. These types of players are rare and invaluable. 

TrueBlue2003

January 3rd, 2020 at 1:08 AM ^

I thought he sounds more like Grant Williams as primarily a banger and mid-range guy without being a defender first.  Draymond was similarly an "undersized" PF but not this short and has relatively long arms which helps him be an excellent defender of a lot of positions.  He's long enough to play center in the NBA! 

the Bray

January 2nd, 2020 at 4:12 PM ^

One more open spot? Are you assuming Austin Davis won't be back for a 5th year? If not, they have:

Davis

Brooks, Livers

DeJulius, Johns, Castleton, Nunez

Bajema, Wagner

Jackson, Todd, Dickinson, Williams

That's 13 and no room for one more. I realize they will recruit for attrition, but how do they have at least one more open slot? 

Rico

January 2nd, 2020 at 4:39 PM ^

I think Davis grad transfers to start or at least get way more minutes for a mid-major level team. It's possible though that he could get decent minutes next season at Michigan if Todd goes overseas and Dickinson takes time to get up to speed. Nunez might be looking to explore options having been a typical Beilein development project but now learning under a different coach that didn't recruit him and might not be able to get as much out of his specific skillset compared to Beilein. Livers may opt to go pro, sure he could use some more development to his on ball shot creating ability, but that might not ever be the type of player he is in the NBA anyways.

TrueBlue2003

January 3rd, 2020 at 1:18 AM ^

There's really no overlap with Todd (who is a wing) and Davis who is strictly a paint bound big.

All Davis will do next year is give Dickinson some time to acclimate to backup center minutes if needed.  And it'd probably be worth giving him a fifth year for that option but I don't think there's any meaningful impact on the wing.

Alumnus93

January 2nd, 2020 at 4:22 PM ^

Regarding the above comment

"Michigan is getting a very unique prospect, the likes of which we never saw during the Beilein tenure. Terrance is a versatile mismatch forward that is too strong for typical wings to handle, while being able to exploit opposing bigs with his ball skills and perimeter shotmaking"

Can someone explain to me why Beilein never went after this skillset, or, maybe he did but never got one?  Would his style not fit in his offense?   Seems to me every team needs a guy like this, especially vs a team like MSU who bullies everyone inside.

blueboy

January 2nd, 2020 at 8:02 PM ^

I get that Wilson and Williams aren't exactly alike, but which part of "versatile mismatch forward that is too strong for typical wings to handle, while being able to exploit opposing bigs with his ball skills and perimeter shotmaking" doesn't apply to Wilson?

 

I guess you could quibble about the "ball skills" part, but while he wasn't the biggest shot creator at Michigan, he's expanded that part of his game in the NBA and if he'd stayed for his senior year I bet he would've done a lot more ball-handling, so put an asterisk there.

blueboy

January 2nd, 2020 at 9:06 PM ^

I'll ask you again. Which part of "versatile mismatch forward that is too strong for typical wings to handle, while being able to exploit opposing bigs with his ball skills and perimeter shotmaking" doesn't apply to Wilson?

Is Wilson not versatile?

Is he not a forward?

Is he not stronger than typical wings?

Is he not tough for bigs to guard on the perimeter?

Yes, Wilson was skinnier coming out of high school but then he bulked up. Williams might also end up slimming down and then they'll end up being a lot more physically similar. I get that they have stylistic differences (although it's foolish to think that 17-year-olds will necessarily keep the same playing style as they mature and jump to a different level of play), but at the end of the day while a cheetah and a leopard might hunt differently, they're both big predatory cats.

Basketballschoolnow

January 2nd, 2020 at 10:22 PM ^

I always roll my eyes when a player is described as...'too quick for the power forwards to guard, too strong for the 3s...

Rather, why not say this?...'may be a tweener...not tall enough at 6-6 to guard the 4s...not quick enough at 230 pounds to guard the 3s?'!

Not saying Williams fits either the optimistic or the cynical description...I have no idea...he sounds like a great pick-up...the fact that he is currently the lowest rated recruit really speaks to what Howard is starting to build here!

TrueBlue2003

January 3rd, 2020 at 1:36 AM ^

Almost none of that applies to Wilson.  Wilson was not physical. He never overpowered wings.  And he didn't use ball skills to go around bigs.

He shot over people or jumped over people and that was about it.  This guy doesn't do either.  He's a crafty offensive player but doesn't sound like a great outside shooter and certainly isn't an above the rim player.

To your other point about being a "forward", this guy is a wing most likely if he's only 6'5ish.  Wilson was a big in college and his best position was center where he could be the pick man in the pick and roll and be the rim protector.  He (and Michigan) took off once he slid to center and Wagner to the bench during their tourney runs that season.  This is because Wilson didn't handle the ball and was a rim protector.  This guy apparently does have ball skills but most certainly is not a rim protector.

 

blueboy

January 3rd, 2020 at 6:07 AM ^

Fundamentally disagree about how physical Wilson was. He didn’t take guys down into the block, but you’re underestimating how much he overpowered smaller players on the glass and when finishing through contact. Yes, his leaping ability was a big part of that (a trait that Williams does not have), but there’s a reason Wilson wasn’t successful until he bulked up. His game absolutely relied on strength. Not to the extent that a low-post center relies on strength but still.

And calling Williams a wing and Wilson a big is splitting hairs. Under Beilein, Williams would have been almost exclusively a 4, and maybe even played some small ball 5. Under Howard, both players would be used at either the 3 or the 4.

If you want to call Williams a wing, I’m not going to argue semantics with you but most people consider wings guys who straddle the 2/3 positions, not the 3/4.

TrueBlue2003

January 3rd, 2020 at 6:16 PM ^

When I say he wasn't physical, I mean that no aspect of his offensive game relied on physicality. Sorry, I didn't specify that I was speaking of his offensive style. He was a shooter and dunker/finisher.  He didn't use his body as part of his offensive game.  His free throw rate even in his final year was microscopically low. Just A Shooter low.  That's because he did not overpower smaller guys or ever really initiate contact (would have drawn more fouls if that was part of his game).

Williams is the kind of offensive player that thrives on contact.  He gets into guys bodies to make space, draw fouls, etc.  Wilson didn't do any of that.

And yes, Wilson did bulk up such that he could hold up while defending post players (did an excellent job on Happ in the big ten title game) and box guys out.  But those are table stakes for a big. That he could box out and defend the post acceptably made him playable.  He was successful because he was a great shooter for his size, he was a rim protector (length and athleticism) and he could stay in front of smaller guys on switches.  None of his standout qualities relied on strength.  

Michigan4Life

January 2nd, 2020 at 5:29 PM ^

JB recruited Draymond Green hard and Draymond Green was apparently all set to go to Michigan until MSU nabbed him at the last minute by turning up the heat on Green. Funny thing is apparently Izzo had to be convinced to get Draymond Green into fold and prevent Michigan from getting him.

JamieH

January 2nd, 2020 at 11:51 PM ^

Yeah I don't see anything of MAAR in this guy.  MAAR was a guy who started his career as a shooting guard who couldn't shoot but who could finish all types of crazy headlong drives to the basket against much bigger players.  He developed a 3-point shot to become an all-around weapon. 

This guy is 2 inches taller, 50 pounds heavier, and not a guard.  

TrueBlue2003

January 3rd, 2020 at 2:00 AM ^

Yes, mostly this style didn't fit in Beileins offense and also shortish guys on the wings are not usually high ceiling defenders.

Beilein's offense was meant to run a lot of motions to get guys open so shooters could shoot. It was not designed to stop to let a guy go one-on-one to exploit a mismatch.

Gucci Mane

January 2nd, 2020 at 5:09 PM ^

Does Matt EM know something about Todd we don’t ? It seems pretty clear that Todd is going to Uofm from everything I have seen, BESIDES for what I read from Matt. 

Gucci Mane

January 3rd, 2020 at 12:51 AM ^

Yeah that article makes it sound that Todd is 95% going to play at Michigan next year. That’s why I don’t understand why Matt EM is so unsure ? Either he is being very conservative and preparing for the absolute worst, not very connected, or is very connected and knows something bad. Which is it ?

blueheron

January 2nd, 2020 at 9:52 PM ^

I don't see it. Rellford was a football player (for real, IIRC) and looked like one out on the court. Similar size (6'6" and 230-something) but way less skill than T. Williams. Good athlete, though, and role player for those mid-'80s teams. He had a cup of coffee in the NBA, too:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rellfri01.html

MGolem

January 2nd, 2020 at 6:54 PM ^

He definitely looks like one of those guys who goes to a different Big Ten team and causes everyone fits for seemingly too many years. Jae’Sean Tate comparison mentioned above seems apt. Glad to have him. 

And I can definitely see Livers getting some NBA love this year. He is shooting like 50% from 3 and he is a very good defender. Perfect player for today’s NBA. He would make a lot of teams better as a low usage, sharp shooting 3 man.  

805wolverine

January 2nd, 2020 at 7:53 PM ^

TW is the lowest rated of our recruits by the services, but he's the one I'm most excited about.  He's got a great stroke and is a very good spot-up shooter with plenty of range.  What I'm most impressed with his ability to get buckets without the ball...cuts to the basket, offensive rebounds, or just finding openings in the defense for drop-offs.  Seems to be very high IQ.  Lots of production without needing the ball in his hands.  Teams that win at a high level need these kind of guys in the lineup alongside the ball-dominant, high-usage guys.

I like the Rick Fox comparison that somebody mentioned, I also think PJ Tucker is another comp...almost the same exact height and build, great spot-up shooter, finds ways to impact the game without having the ball.

outsidethebox

January 2nd, 2020 at 9:50 PM ^

OT regarding Fox: I don't know exactly what the story is behind how this kid from the Bahamas landed in Warsaw, Indiana...but I would guess that it revolves around their HS coach at that time. Warsaw was coached by one of the greatest HS coaches-ever...anywhere...Al Rhodes. The Rhodes coached teams were a joy to watch...though my brother says his games are a bit of a bear to officiate-as in, he is always in your ear. He is approaching the end of his career-he moved to his alma mater Penn HS 10-12 years ago. He has won well over 600 games. I'm sure Rick would give Al a ton of credit for his success-and rightly so.