Hello: Jake Ryan Comment Count

Tim

Yesterday the Wolverines gained a commitment from OH LB Jake Ryan from Cleveland St. Ignatius High School, a traditional power in Ohio's largest high school division.

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GURU RATINGS

Scout Rivals ESPN
2*, #113 OLB 3*, NR OLB NR, not in database

Before everyone starts freaking out, I'm going to go ahead and warn you: this kid is a sleeper. Like, a deep, deep sleeper. He barely even exists in the eyes of many talent evaluators, though some have been quick to admit they simply missed the boat on him. Now, let's dive into the evaluations.

We start with Rivals, whose Greg Ladky caught him in a scrimmage against Twinsburg (alma mater of Sapce Emperor Zoltan Mesko) this fall:

LB-Jake Ryan- St. Ignatius- Ryan may end up being a defensive end at the next level. His 6-foot-3 listing may be a actually be a bit short. He looks like he is in tremendous shape, and made a few nice tackles on defense. He has the size and range to be a force for St. Ignatius this year, teaming with McVey to form a strong and mean linebacker corps.

The general scuttlebutt is that Ryan may be a bit taller than 6-3. Ladky seems to think so. Interesting to see that he may be considered a potential defensive end even if Michigan's coaches aren't likely to share that opinion. Good range is a plus in coverage, but the Wolverines' linebacker commits over the past couple years have had plenty of range, it's the size that's new and exciting. The McVey in question there is OH LB Scott McVey, an Ohio State commit who was in and out of the lineup with injuries this year.

Ryan managed to make 1st-Team All-State as a linebacker, and he's listed at 6-5 on that list. On the Scout message boards (take with a grain of salt, of course), "CatFan93" who says he's been involved with Ignatius football for more than 30 years, says the following about Ryan:

Ryan was Ignatius' best defensive player this year by a wide margin. Jake had a great year and has an excellent frame at 6'3 225#, he is a big strong kid that can run in the high 4.5s, he is a very athletic kid. Versatile athlete that played FB this year, some TE in the past and also excelled on KO and PR coverage

To this point, I have been perplexed by his offer sheet, which is essentially every team in the MAC conference. He is far better than a MAc player, I would have expected his offer sheet would read something like Boston College, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Virginia, Northwestern, Michigan State, Iowa, Pittsburgh, Louisville, etc at this point.

That said, i think this is a stretch offer for UM. Jake is a B10 talent, just but not a Big 4 [UM, OSU, ND, PSU] talent IMO. While he possesses good speed, he doesnt possess the lateral sideline to sideline speed that I would want to see at an elite BCS school. Watch his film, when he is making plays near the sidelines, often times it is after someone has already turned the play back inside.

That's not a exactly ringing endorsement, but it's pretty positive. Maybe you can see some Ohio State fandom bleed into the assessment in the contradictions: a 225 pound, 6'3" high school kid running in the high 4.5s has plenty of speed to play middle linebacker, and the youtube highlight reel shows him tracking down guys from Glenville wide. In any case, at this point in the recruiting cycle it's good to pick up a guy who would fit in just fine at Iowa at a position of need. He doesn't have to be a four star to be a much better option than Michigan's other underclass middle linebackers: air and walk-ons. 

CatFan also sheds a little light on Jake's sleeper status:

One need only look at junior year tape to compare McVey v Ryan. Jake was a starter for 6-7 games his junior season before he got injured. Not a rap on Jake's abilities, but McVey was just head/shoulder above...It has been a long time since I have seen a LB have the kind of season that McVey did last year.

The recruiting types could look at Ryan and see a higher ceiling because of the better frame, maybe they are right...but as long as Scott's shoulder heals - and everything I hear is positive in that regard, there is no question which one I would rather have on my football team...

So, I guess the cliff notes version is that Scott McVey is an amazing high school prospect, and Jake Ryan is just OK. The junior injury helps explain Ryan's low profile, and McVey's senior injury might explain why Ryan was named St. Ignatius's best linebacker at the team banquet.

OFFERS

Again with the sleeper talk. Ryan had scholarship offers from mostly MAC-type schools, including Ball State, Bowling Green, Central and Eastern Michigans, Ohio, and Toledo. He took visits to Ball State, OU (not that OU), and Toledo prior to this weekend's Ann Arbor visit.

On that visit, Rich Rodriguez and company decided that his film was good enough to warrant an offer, which he accepted today. There have been rumors that he's a Patrick Omameh-style sleeper, with Ohio State coming on strong very late. In that case, it's a heck of a steal.

STATS

St. Ignatius finished the 2009 season 11-1 with wins over talented teams like Glenville, Massillon Washington, St Xavier, and Inkster, whose quarterback is some guy you may have heard of. The lone loss was a 13-30 defeat in a playoff rematch with the Tarblooders of Glenville.

The Cleveland Plain Dealer tells us his stats for the year (and also provide the picture up top):

Ryan used his outstanding pass-rushing technique to register a team-leading 104 tackles for the Wildcats with 62 solos, 26 tackles for loss, eight sacks, eight quarterback hurries, four deflected passes and two fumble recoveries.

For those who disagreed with my assessment from his video the other day, it's "used his outstanding pass-rush technique" that bothers me: as a middle linebacker, he's going to have to do a whole lot more than rush the QB. Maybe he has another highlight video that shows him doing other stuff, but I haven't seen it.

FAKE 40 TIME

Rivals lists his 40 time as 4.6. That's your average linebacker time (listed, perhaps not accurately), and his highlight videos show that he has good closing speed. With very little to suggest he's not a very good athlete, I would give this 40 time just two FAKEs out of five.

VIDEO

On top of the video Brian teased with yesterday, Ryan has another Youtube highlight, plus his ScoutingOhio highlight reel:

PREDICTION BASED ON FLIMSY EVIDENCE

Michigan is thin, thin, thin at middle linebacker. The synopsis for this guy is that he's in good shape, and would be accurately listed somewhere around 6-4 and 210 pounds. That's a little on the smallish side but with the depth chart, he will be forced into spot duty as a freshman as a backup and on special teams. The company line on traditionally-powerful Catholic schools is that their players come out well-coached, so he won't be overwhelmed. Ryan actually, you know, played linebacker in high school—a rarity on Michigan's roster—and that should help ease his transition.

During that year, he'll hopefully be able to develop physically, adding muscle without any bad weight, and be the primary backup to JB Fitzgerald or Kevin Leach(!) as a true sophomore. After that, he won't put on more bulk unless he is just too slow for linebacker.

UPSHOT FOR THE REST OF THE CLASS

Ryan takes the second-to-last slot in the recruiting class assuming no further attrition. That leaves just one spot left, and it would take a serious upset for that spot to go to anyone other than a safety. The remaining options at that position are CA S Sean Parker, FL S Rashad Knight, and longshot FL S Demar Dorsey (a soft Florida commit) in order from most to least likely.

Michigan may also grayshirt an incoming prospect, and there could be another kid or two who leaves the recruiting class for some reason or another. In that instance, Michigan would try to grab two of the safeties, or the best option at safety and one lineman if they can find a good one.

Etc.: Fluff from St. Ignatius. Plain Dealer commit article.

Comments

WolvinLA2

January 20th, 2010 at 12:15 AM ^

There are exceptions to every rule. There are hundreds of 2 and 4 star players every year, some of them become all americans, and most of them go nowhere. Some 5 star players are busts, but a quite high percentage of them are drafted. Trust me, this is science. As for your TCU and Cincinnati comment: (Boise St. would be a better example) there are often teams that succeed without having a high level of recruiting. This, again, is the exception to the rule. However, there are very few examples of teams in major conferences who have regular success without solid to outstanding recruiting. Iowa and Wisconsin are close, but they have both had a hard time getting over the hump as well. Conversely, there are very few teams who have recruited very well and not had national level success (ND is probably the only exception to this rule).

Marshmallow

January 20th, 2010 at 12:33 AM ^

This might help people. The ratings services assign stars based on expectations. I believe 5 star means NFL level talent, 4 star all conference type performer and 3 star means impact player. Our problem is not so much star ratings, as a lack of a number of people generally and people who perform at their expected levels. Obi performed last year like he deserved no stars even though he was a 3 star guy. David Harris, on the other hand, performed like a 5 star even though he was only a 3 star guy. Omameh is a potential starter next year and he was a 2 star. A team with a lot of highly ranked talent should, but will not necessarily, perform well. A team without it should not, but can, perform well. Again, there is a correlation, but not causation. Recruiting is art and science, which should be obvious, since you cannot recreate success through recruiting alone. Your mention of ND proves my point. It's not that ND is an exception to the rule, it's that the rule isn't valid in a vacuum. High talent produces great results only in connection with great coaching, a good schedule and some luck. What ND lacked, and there are many examples, wasn't 5 star recruits, but competent coaching. On the other hand, RR's WVU teams demonstrate that average talent with excellent coaching and schemes can produce national title caliber teams. No one on RR's teams besides Noel Devine was a 5 star. White and Slaton were 3 stars. There are myriad other examples. This isn't as cut and dry as it seems. Good recruiting to me means more than star ratings, it means getting the right guys and the right number of guys depending on what your team needs and what your schemes call for. If you aren't running a pro-style attack, what does it matter that you have a 5 star road grader right tackle? It's helpful, but if you aren't running downhill all of the time, it isn't really critical to your success.

Jon Benke

January 20th, 2010 at 1:02 AM ^

I agree completely with that, and again, I was just making reference, at first, for the topic at hand; Jake Ryan. We're a 5-7 football team as of today, coming off a 3-9 season, and recruiting the 4/5 star talent isn't as easy as it once was, though our recruiting as been pretty good, given our records of late. Now of course, as if it really needs to be said, but going forward, as we start to win more, the better recruits will come. And so while we're in unfamiliar waters in discussing these players, our head coach and most of our coaching staff from W.V., they are in very familiar waters in finding the gems amongst the 2/3 star athletes, and they have been known to find those exceptional exceptions you speak of.

Section 1

January 19th, 2010 at 5:37 PM ^

Chris Borland, LB at Wisconsin, the Freshman defensive player of the year in the Big Ten. 2-star, out of a quality Catholic school program in Ohio. No other Big Ten offers, and he probably would not have gotten a Wisconsin offer but for being a sort of a Badger legacy, and having gone to every one of the Badger camps he could get invited to. http://wisconsin.scout.com/a.z?s=193&p=8&c=1&nid=3812708 All of these guys come out as quality kids, well-coached, intelligent and hard working, from good h.s. programs where much is expected of them.

Koyote

January 20th, 2010 at 11:37 AM ^

Unfortunately, I haven't seen both play. I did see Kinville play though and from what I recall and from watching the highlights of Jake Ryan, they seem to be pretty similar players. Both are pretty close to the same size, quickness etc. That being said, Jake Ryan likely plays against slightly tougher competition down in Ohio. But at this point, I doubt the staff is offering him a scholarship, although you never know. That being said, I wouldn't mind if Kinville came to U of M as a walk-on.

Slinginsam

January 19th, 2010 at 6:01 PM ^

I don't know how this kid will pan out. I do know that the Wildcats' work ethic is tougher, and they work out harder than just about any team in the greater Cleveland area. Year in and year out, Ignatius is near the top. Barwis will love this kid. I am guessing that he is your classic overachiever(a la Jordan Kovacs). Let's see if he can develop some quickness. Who knows? Maybe we found somebody here.

The FannMan

January 19th, 2010 at 6:13 PM ^

This may also be about the program too. With Vinopal and Ryan we are not only getting good players, but we are establishing a contact with great HS programs in Ohio. Does anyone know the last Cardinal Mooney or St. Ignatius kids we got? (Sorry too lazy and I'm still at work and supposedly working.) I'm not suggesting that we should offer kids who can't play just b/c of their HS program. (That's not what happened - Ohio All-State in a position of need ain't too freakin' shabby.) I am saying that making contact with these schools is part of what these kids bring to the table. I hope they both get up here, work hard, have great carrers and help convert more players away from the Buckeye Dark Side.

Rosey09

January 19th, 2010 at 6:50 PM ^

Both Pat and Mike Massey were St. Ignatius grads. Iggy has sent kids to OSU, ND, MSU and M in the past, so I don't think you'll see a pipeline a la Cass Tech out of a renown school like theirs.

The FannMan

January 19th, 2010 at 8:03 PM ^

Didn't know the Masseys were from there. Thanks. You are right. "Pipline" was too strong a word. "Connection" or "ties to the program" is probably better. (FWIW - RR was killed for not preserving "ties" with Michigan schools. I am not agreeing with the truth of this statement, just saying it was made.) It has been a while since the Masseys came out. They also committed to, as Mr. Edwards would say, "Lloyd Carr's University of Michigan." I like that RR and current staff are keeping the ties to a great program. Hopefully this guy can live up to the "sleeper" status and turn into a force. [Edit - posted before I saw funkywolve's post. If Elvis and Desmond were from St. Iggy's too I really like this kid. But it wasn't that long ago. I mean, that's when I was at Michigan. It was only (does math) 21 years ago. Shit, I'm old!]

Rosey09

January 19th, 2010 at 8:16 PM ^

Yeah, I definitely agree that it'd be a good idea. I think there's something to be said about getting guys that go to academically strong prep schools having higher football IQs. One thing I've noticed is that learning/adapting/playing in Michigan's new schemes requires as much mental quickness as it does physical.

Koyote

January 20th, 2010 at 11:19 AM ^

Did you know that James Laurinaitis' father was a wrestler and that Tom Zibowkowski is a boxer? Oh, sorry, I feel compelled to state that any time either of those names come up thanks to the media telling us every freaking game about those stories....

Wolverine In Exile

January 20th, 2010 at 7:44 AM ^

one of those Wiscy/Iowa/Northwestern "tackling machine" type middle LB's... I don't need Lavar Arrington or Derrick Brooks- give me a Pat Fitzgerald who'll consistently get to the hole in plenty of time to stop a RB after a 1-2 yd gain and I'll be happy.

V.O.R.

January 20th, 2010 at 8:16 AM ^

Sleeper or not, this kid was named to the first team at his position at a power school, at the highest level in Ohio. He may have been a sleeper going into the year, but someone noticed him enough to elect him over every other player in the state of Ohio. That says something. Therefore, he is worth taking a chance on. He also fills a position of need. I'll take him.

El Jeffe

January 20th, 2010 at 1:43 PM ^

I think we've discussed his status as a "sleeper" enough on this thread. Here's my question: is he some combination of "gritty," "heady," or a "student of the game?" Also, is he a "gym rat?"

NoVaWolverine

May 29th, 2013 at 11:12 AM ^

This was linked somewhere on the front page today so I had a look. Jake Ryan, "sleeper" -- yeah, that worked out pretty well, I'd say.

We should always come back to this post to remind ourselves:

1) Ultimately, you need to trust the talent evaluation skills of your coaches (esp. the current Hoke staff)

2) The recruiting gurus do great work, but they don't know everything -- sometimes they miss out, even on kids from a well-scouted program like St. Ignatius. Jake Ryan, a 2-star!!! Good lord. ..