On Erik Swenson And Talent-Based Decommits Comment Count

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Michigan's longest-standing commit is no longer one:

While that's a surprise it's less of a surprise since this week people started putting their name next to the assertion that he would not end up in the class. Mike Spath said so in a post on attrition; Wiltfong did the same at 247; Webb concurred. With Northwestern and Nebraska possible landing spots, academics are obviously not a problem.

Swenson committed to Brady Hoke's Michigan sometime during the Truman administration and hasn't wavered or visited elsewhere; like Rashad Weaver and Kiante Enis this appears to be a case where Michigan re-evaluated the players' talent after their senior season and did not like what they saw. Let's talk about how we feel about that, with the caveat that we are working with incomplete information here since neither side is offering much detail on what went down.

Editorial opinion on decommitting guys based on talent

Michigan's suffered a number of decommits this cycle. Some were not Michigan's choice, others are because of academic concerns, and a few look like Michigan straight-up pulling offers from committed recruits because they prefer other players. To date players in the latter category appear to be Enis, Weaver, and Swenson.

This could be anywhere from completely legit (Harbaugh tells them they may have to find another landing spot if things don't work out) to not great (this is not communicated). There's a post on the board from a gentleman claiming to be two degrees of separation from a recruit who consciously uncoupled from Michigan, and it was more or less the former:

He said the coaches meticulously laid out who his competition would be, and explained to him that they weren't done recruiting the position yet.  Harbaugh also told him that his scholarship to one of the best academic institutes was absolutely still available to him, but he would need to work his ass off to see any playing time.  Said recruit has decided that while academics are important, playing football is his true passion and wants to see the field sooner than later.  He would rather fine tune his game on the field and get better.

Despite the parting of ways the recruit seemed fine with the overall result, as he got a ton more interest after "Michigan commit" was appended to his resume.

Enis and Weaver were probably given a heads-up a couple months ago. Enis made an official to Indiana in December; Weaver scheduled an official to Temple in November. In any case they are likely to find schools that are a better fit for them and have fine college careers.

This doesn't really bother me. These days "commit" is used about as accurately as "literally" and Harbaugh has adapted to that situation. If you want to visit, visit. Michigan is going to recruit as if commits don't exist, just like everyone else does. It can be infuriating for players, coaches, and fans as order and structure break down but that's life. I've never really railed about that practice; it's shipping guys out mid-career without a degree, against their will, that rankles. I don't think Michigan will be doing that and certainly hope they never do.

However, Swenson's situation is considerably more sketch. He has not made a peep since his commitment and was tweeting about signing with Michigan as late as January 3rd. Webb says "don't be surprised if a little mudslinging happens." Swenson took the high road, but if someone pops off after a LOI is safely faxed I won't be surprised, nor will I have much to say other than "seems accurate."

If Michigan was going to pull Swenson's scholarship it should have at least warned him about the possibility during the season so he could make a backup plan. That doesn't look like the case and it appears Michigan has pissed some people off. Not a good look.

If he wants to play and does land with the Wildcats or Huskers, he's probably better off. Michigan looked at senior film and decided he would not play.

I wouldn't want to go to a school that thought I wouldn't play and wouldn't tell me that; I would expect them to tell me that. By November at the latest.

This isn't so much a rug being pulled out from under someone as an order for a rug being canceled. Michigan does have to get more organized with this stuff going forward. Setting someone adrift approximately three weeks before Signing Day—the news took a week or two to get out—isn't enough time for them to find the best landing spot.

Comments

BellGoBlue

January 20th, 2016 at 5:02 PM ^

Silent majority. Yeah, it looks bad, but we'll never get the official U-M side of the story. Somehow, I think the millions of U-M fans will sleep well enough when we are winning. I know I will.

This is not a ends justify the means at all. It's just extremely unfair to judge a coaching staff that cannot comment on a situation where a group of rabid fans claim to know what is moral and ethical when we don't "know" squat.

Viva la Harbaugh, and Go Blue!

EGD

January 20th, 2016 at 12:39 PM ^

Thanks for addressing this.  I am disappointed in Harbaugh's actions here, even though if Swenson winds up at a place like Northwestern, where he can still get a premium education and actually play some football, it probably would actually be a better outcome for him in the end.  

Hail Harbo

January 20th, 2016 at 1:04 PM ^

First, what exactly were Harbaugh's actions.

Second question.  For sake of argument let us say Harbaugh told Swenson that he wouldn't be seeing much playing time at Michigan.  How is it a bad thing to tell him that?

funkifyfl

January 20th, 2016 at 12:41 PM ^

I wonder how much of this can be chalked up to the transition from Hoke to Harbaugh. Is the likelihood of a similar situation occurring in the future lower because Harbaugh (and/or his staff) would've been the recruit's contact all along?

 

This distinction is important. If this is more of a one-off than a regular practice we can expect going forward, then it's unfortunate but not disingenuous. If it's the latter though, fans will have to decide for themselves whether to compartmentalize the practice in the name of results or call a spade a spade.

bronxblue

January 20th, 2016 at 12:42 PM ^

This was my general sentiment as well.  Slow-playing sucks but you sorta give the kids heads-up months in advanced.  This seems to be a late-occurring decision due to increased interests from other players.  And that sucks for Swenson and is a black eye for Harbaugh, shiners that most big-time recruiters have in droves.  Still doesn't take the sting away, and I credit Swenson for taking the high road, at least initially.  I wish him the best, and I hope this doesn't become a common occurrence around these parts.

Brian

January 20th, 2016 at 1:01 PM ^

The thing is, I have heard that Swenson has been on the fence for a while now. So either

1. the coaching staff knew it and didn't tell him
2. the coaching staff hinted at it and he didn't want to listen
3. the coaching staff told him flat out and got fingers in the ears going LALALALA

I'm guessing #2 is the most likely occurrence. Harding was kind of the same way.

bronxblue

January 20th, 2016 at 1:11 PM ^

I'm sure it was #2, but then just tell him. When it hits 2016 and its pretty clear the kid still thinks he has a committable offer, someone failed in their job. I guess that's my thing; it's the timing. I get that Swenson probably missed there signs, but he's also a teenager in love with the school he committed to over a year ago. The adults in both sides should have stepped in earlier and pulled the offer. Maybe they did, but this doesn't seem like a kid who couldn't get offers elsewhere if he knew, and he's mobilizing pretty quickly.

Yooper

January 20th, 2016 at 1:20 PM ^

The question for me as well is how could any confusion exist (if it did) this late in the game?  If they moved away from him as a recruit just tell him straight out, the sooner the better, with a parent present.  I am willing to believe there may have been some miscommunication, but making sure that doesn't happen is on the Michigan staff.

Yeoman

January 20th, 2016 at 3:06 PM ^

1. Silence = we're no longer interested in you and maybe you should be looking around.

vs.

Silence = I'm already committed so they have no reason to talk to me.

2. "Son, we don't think you're good enough to ever play here" (or some euphemistic version of same) = you'd better find somewhere else to play

vs.

"Son, we don't think you're good enough to ever play here" = I'd better work my ass off and prove them wrong, and even if they're right I'd rather be on that Michigan sideline anyway.

You can see the possibilities for misunderstandings all through the thread here. There's a near-universal assumption that ultimately he'd be better off playing somewhere else than riding the pines at Michigan. The new coaching staff probably made the same assumption, and assumed Swenson would see it that way as well. They'd never really had any contact with him, after all, and probably didn't realize just how much that Michigan offer meant to him.

I'm probably in the minority on this but I think they should have swallowed the possible loss of a scholarship. If a kid wants to be at Michigan that bad and you've already made the offer, live with it.

stephenrjking

January 20th, 2016 at 1:14 PM ^

I suggested this elsewhere, but isn't a slight alternative version of #2 available? Suppose: Swenson gets hints, kind of knows that things aren't looking good, but he's a Michigan guy. He was our first commit, loves the school, wants to wear the winged helmet, everything I was at 17. So he holds on and hopes. Because he loves Michigan. 

I mean, it stinks to tell a guy like that he can't come, but that's how I would have acted if I had that possibility available at 17. And because he chooses to hold on, and because it becomes clear that every slot will be used, the staff eventually has to pull the offer completely.

That's my maize-and-blue-colored glasses scenario of this.

WorldwideTJRob

January 20th, 2016 at 1:34 PM ^

I think that's just our fandom hoping that happened. Weaver and Enis blatantly came out and stated they hadn't heard from the staff in months. That's more of ignoring signs that things may not work out in your favor. Swenson however was up here for the OSU game, was visited at his HS by the staff on 12/5 and lastly posted that tweet on 1/3. That doesn't logically sound like a case of a kid being told something and ignoring it. To me it sounds like the staff got some Intel on a possible recruit that might be interested now whom wasn't before, leading to this situation now.



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Cranky Dave

January 20th, 2016 at 1:35 PM ^

logical but indeed sad.  I am also curious at the parents' involvement and how much interaction the coaching staff has had with them.  If Swenson's parents were getting the message and telling Erik to rethink things then I guess I feel a bit better about this situation in the sense that all of the adults were giving the kid the hints. 

Yeoman

January 20th, 2016 at 3:14 PM ^

...up to the next-to-last sentence.

Why does the staff have to pull the offer? So they wish they could use the scholarship on somebody else--well, sometimes you can't have everything you want.

They can do it if they want to, obviously. But it's a choice, it's not something compelled on them by an outside force.

A Dude

January 20th, 2016 at 12:42 PM ^

A shame for the kid. Would have been nice if he had more time so I hope he lands on his feet.

Since this was based on his development. Can anyone get a good read on the film posted above? Does he look like the rivals 250 4 star guy or was there regression?

Not that that excuses all parties, but asking the football question.

alum96

January 20th, 2016 at 12:46 PM ^

A few other comments:

  1. If it was indeed based on lack of development in senior year in a vacuum, this could have been communicated mid November when HS season ends.  Nothing new has happened in past 2 months in his development - all that has changed is UM's board.  Hence it adds to the shade on UM's side.  I am sure someone will argue coach's didn't have time to review film because of the season yada yada - well find some time post OSU game and pre bowl game.
  2. Please no one say "I will wait to hear both sides of the story..." - you will never hear both sides... and many here are happy to throw other schools under the bus only hearing 1 side.  #GlassHouses
  3. Please no one say "NSD is just the first day to sign players so its not that bad, he has until April 1st" or whatever nonsense.  Almost all decent P5 programs will be "full" as of NSD and no spots will be avail.
  4. All that said, it does sound he has been in communication with NW staff the past week and he should land on his feet.  That doesn't mean this could not have been handled much better and hopefully is a learning opportunity.  Again, if it was solely based on lack of development it could have been communicated up to 2 months earlier - even 30 days earlier would have kept a lot more options over because every school - just as UM - will only want to devote X spots to Y position.
  5. There are degrees of bad - not everything is black and white.  So I hate to see the extremes people always go to - "if you dont treat Swenson like this you are just a Hoke!"
  6. Swenson probably helped recruit a lot of other players to this class - so to see him sent packing at the end after all that groundwork he helped lay, damn it sucks.
  7. No one thinks its the end of life for Swenson peeps so cool it; it's just a 2 year dream denied.  And that's a lot of committment in this day and age and for people that age.  Or any age.

Mich OC

January 20th, 2016 at 12:54 PM ^

Agree on #2.  This board has no problem passing judgement on other schools at the drop of a hat for things like oversigning, medical redshirts, arrests etc.  But when it's our coach, then we need every last piece on information before we can feel a certain way.  

Where was this measured approach with the Weber situation last year?

Carpetbagger

January 20th, 2016 at 1:01 PM ^

Who says it hasn't been communicated until this last week?

I find it much more likely Swenson simply ignored the broad hints that he needed to find another school for the last several months than we pulled a scholly at the last minute.

It's not like Michigan/Harbaugh doesn't have a trend of letting these guys know they need to look around. Perhaps Swenson just chose to ignore those hints, in hopes he would still end up at his dream school.

Swenson would hardly be the first 17 year old to ignore advice.

CommodityTrader

January 20th, 2016 at 1:07 PM ^

Another thing to consider, maybe Harbaugh and Drevno are upset that they allowed this to happen. You will never know. People, including Harbaugh make mistakes, maybe this is one? Maybe the coaches learn a lot from this and don't make the mistake again? Harbaugh repeatedly acts with a high degree of integrity, but it doesn't make him perfect. I suggest the board use this as Strike 1 and keep a watchful eye going forward.

westwardwolverine

January 20th, 2016 at 1:07 PM ^

8. Its still the right thing to do by the player no matter how bad it makes some of us feel as fans or how bad some of us think it makes Harbaugh look in the short-term. And that is actually what's most important. 

9. Here is a link to a fainting couch for those who might need it to get over the fact that Erik Swenson will end up in a better situation for himself:

http://madison.craigslist.org/atq/5344227647.html

Given the hand-wringing and anguish over this, I'd hurry up with your bids as there is sure to be a lot of competition for this very necessary item. 

Mich OC

January 20th, 2016 at 1:18 PM ^

Maybe he will end up in a situation that is better for him, maybe he won't.  That is beside the point.  The staff didn't do this in the best interest of the kid, they did it in their own best interest.  It isn't up to the staff or you to decide what is best for Erik Swenson.  

If he was given the option to go to Michigan up until 2 weeks ago, he shouldn't have it taken away from him at the last minute just because someone else decides what a "better situation" is on behalf of Erik Swenson.  

westwardwolverine

January 20th, 2016 at 1:33 PM ^

It is absolutely a better situation for Erik Swenson to go to a staff that wants him than to go to one that does not want him. That shouldn't even be a question. 

The timing is not ideal, but its still the right move. And he will end up at a school where he has a better chance to further his career and achieve playing time. 

Mich OC

January 20th, 2016 at 1:51 PM ^

Just because at this time, before he has stepped foot on campus or participated in any team related activities, the coaches think there are better prospects on their board, doesn't mean that Erik Swenson wouldn't succeed at Michigan. Offensive line evaluation is an inexact science.  Coaches are wrong.  A lot.

If he showed up, worked hard, and developed into a good player, he would play and it would be better for him to be at Michigan than at Northwestern.  Michigan has better facilities, better coaching, and more NFL exposure than a school like Northwestern.  For someone eyeing the NFL, Michigan is a much better option, and provides players a much better opportunity of developing into an NFL player.  

And that's just the football side of it.  Maybe Michigan had a better program for his academic major.  Maybe he had family in the area which made Michigan a better place to go to school for him.  Either way, there is no way you can definitively say what is a better situation for Erik Swenson.  Cleary he had decided that Michigan was his best option, despite having offers from several other top notch schools.  

 

 

westwardwolverine

January 20th, 2016 at 1:57 PM ^

Except you can because its obviously a better situation to go somewhere where you are wanted and the staff thinks you have a future as opposed to somewhere where you aren't wanted and the staff thinks you have no future. 

 

westwardwolverine

January 20th, 2016 at 8:17 PM ^

I don't say this much anymore but here it is: What in all fuck are you talking about? 

This isn't (obviously) just Erik Swenson's decision. It's (obviously) a decision made by both the player AND the coach. And if the coach doesn't want the player (which is OBVIOUSLY the case in this situation) then it is DEFINITELY in the best interest of the player to go somewhere else where he is wanted and will get a fair shake from the coaching staff. I'm not determining what's better for anyone, I'm just describing the situation. If it was just the player's decision then there would be another handful of players still going to Michigan who have de-committed and gone elsewhere. You can either accept reality (like I have) or you can do what you're doing which is nothing but concern-trolling. 

Like I've said all day: I'm sorry that some people -  like you - can't handle the fact that Harbaugh did the right thing that happened to be the hard thing as opposed to taking the easy way out and doing what was worse for the player and the program, but you should probably get over it. 

Yeoman

January 20th, 2016 at 8:29 PM ^

So I'll be blunt too.

It's not your fucking place to decide what's definitely in the best interests of anyone except yourself, and maybe some dependents if you have any. It's also not my place, or Harbaugh's place, or anyone else's. The only person that should be saying what's in the best interest of Eric Swenson is Eric Swenson. Probably, at that age, in discussion with his family.

"This is for your own good" is the most dishonorable, the most cowardly form of lie, told by people that don't have the courage to live with the consequences of their own decisions and thier own motives. To be clear, there's absolutely no evidence Harbaugh himself resorted to it. But you've made it pretty clear that you would, in his shoes. Hell, you resorted to it on his behalf.

westwardwolverine

January 20th, 2016 at 8:49 PM ^

So the person who stops his alcholic friend from drinking is a coward? So the person who stops his gambling addict friend from gambling is a coward? Dude, you are a borderline idiot at this point. Actually, we've probaby crossed that border. You're actually saying if I stop my drunk friend from getting in a car for his own good, that I'm a coward. Incredible stuff. 

I'll make it real easy on your double digit IQ: Harbaugh does not want Swenson. Therefore, it IS in Swenson's best interest to go somewhere where the staff thinks he will fit into their plans if he wants to continue to play football. How the fuck is this even something you question? Why would it be in anyone's best interest to go to a program where the staff doesn't want you? Especially when its obvious you have options elsewhere? 

Like I said: You're a concern troll. Get over it. Or maybe go support Oregon, I'm sure they'll recruit to your liking.