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2017 Recruiting: Dylan McCaffrey

By Brian — August 15th, 2017 at 3:09 PM — 63 comments
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Previously: Last year's profiles. S J'Marick Woods, S Jaylen Kelly-Powell, S Brad Hawkins, CB Ambry Thomas, CB Benjamin St-Juste, LB Drew Singleton, LB Jordan Anthony, LB Josh Ross, DE Kwity Paye, DE Luiji Vilain, DE Corey Malone-Hatcher, DE Deron Irving-Bey, DT Donovan Jeter, DT Phil Paea, DT James Hudson, DT Aubrey Solomon, C Cesar Ruiz, OT JaRaymond Hall, OT Joel Honigford, OT Andrew Stueber, OT Chuck Filiaga, WR Oliver Martin, WR Nico Collins, WR Tarik Black, WR Donovan Peoples-Jones, FB Ben Mason, RB O'Maury Samuels, RB Kurt Taylor.

Littleton, CO – 6'5", 210

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Scout 4*, #134 overall
#5 PROQB
Rivals 4*, #131 overall
#7 PROQB, #1 CO
ESPN 4*, #117 overall
#6 PROQB, #1 CO
24/7 4*, #204 overall
#6 PROQB, #3 CO
Other Suitors UCLA, LSU, Neb, Washington, Stanford
YMRMFSPA Also Andrew Luck because he's Brandon Peters 2
Previously On MGoBlog Hello post from Ace.
Notes Twitter. Related to some guys.

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Junior:

Brief senior reel:

Yes, that McCaffrey. This one, Dylan McCaffrey, is a quarterback with a prototypical frame and a long way to go to maximize it. In most other ways he's as far along as anyone else in his class.

He sounds like a McCaffrey, basically. He's taken full advantage of his athletic legacy and arrives in college a technically advanced player. ESPN notes that he plays in a "multiple I-formation" offense with a lot of play action and timing routes—i.e., a high school manball offense. While this may be a bit exaggerated based on his highlights, there are some snaps from under center. He's "the rare QB who can go under center and take a drop," per Scout, and he performs in that context:

prototypical size … very lanky. … very polished player. …nice feel for where to go with the ball pre-snap. … Play-pass ball handling and quickness in his set-up is as good as any in the class. …calm, shows balance and good movement skills in the pocket to work through reads and deliver the football. Very heady and does a great job with feet and eyes under duress. … Anticipation and ability to throw guys open is very impressive. …very impressive tools and footwork … adequate-to-good arm strength and when sound with his footwork can make just about every throw. Compensates with timing and pacing with his feet, drops and delivery. …still blooming and has a high ceiling … will get stronger and thus be able to make deeper throws at the next level.

McCaffrey draw praise for his polish and general McCaffrey-ness in just about every evaluation. Clint Brewster:

…really sees the entire field. McCaffrey makes decisions that put his team in position to win. He is a smart player and really dissects coverage well, with precision accuracy and decisiveness. He makes a ton of advanced level throws and reads on film and can really pick you apart with his arm. His mobility is just the icing on the cake.

McCaffrey's mechanics in the pocket are very polished, especially for a player with his type of upside and mobility. His pocket presence and footwork really set him apart from others in the class.

Greg Biggins:

tremendous upside. … 6-5 but can move around in the pocket and has no problem escaping pressure and either making a throw down the field or running … can throw with heat or with touch, is accurate to all three levels of the field and shows poise and a calmness in the pocket beyond his years. … extremely bright quarterback with a high football IQ. … checks off every box you could want in a next-level quarterback. He has not only the physical tools but more importantly, the makeup required to lead a big-time program.

There are some disagreements about his physical abilities right now. McCaffrey does not have a Mallett/Morris cannon. Arm strength takes range from the generally positive ("velocity is already above average; McCaffrey can zip passes into tight windows with confidence") to the middling ("good arm, not a great arm"; "won't necessarily wow anyone with elite arm strength").

McCaffrey's motion produces similar disagreements. Drevno asserts that he "loves the way he throws the ball … he's got a quick release"; ND's 24/7 site praised his "clean, compact motion" and footwork. On the other hand, when 24/7 started moving him down from his near five-star status after the Elite 11 Barton Simmons said he "has a glaring technical flaw he needs to clean up," without any explanation as to what exactly that was. Rivals mostly talked about his option game in a post where they explained a move down; the scouting report sounds like a different player entirely:

McCaffrey was impressive in operating the option read in the game we attended earlier this season, tucking the ball when he could and making plays with his feet, but he struggled a bit throwing down field. He certainly has the athleticism and awareness that makes him a terrific game manager at this stage in his development, but he should probably be lower in the rankings until he proves he can be a top-flight passer.

Their take was very much an outlier, though Brandon Brown did note his "passing motion can look slow and deliberate."

This space is usually dubious about "intangibles" since they're typically nonsense feelingsball, but we'll make an exception for quarterback recruits since there are some actual attributes that get shoved in there. QBs can get shook in a way that doesn't really happen to running backs or wide receivers or anyone else who doesn't have to stand still and hope that a 270-pound man isn't about to barrel into his back. The ability to keep calm and carry on reading defenses, especially on the road, is a real skill. I'll also admit that I believe that QB leadership can have a tangible on-field impact. So too the invisible stuff that happens before the snap. Organization is a real QB skill.

So. One thing that the above scouting reports touch on are those intangibles, which McCaffrey appears to have in spades. Scout gave him a 10 in that department:

…pure pocket passer with good athleticism and a great feel for the game …very good footwork and poise. He's a natural leader with the arm strength needed to make all the throws and is able to escape pressure and make a play with his legs.

Tyler Donohue had an extensive McCaffrey breakdown with a detailed section on the brain stuff McCaffrey has going for him:

Family lineage and elevated football intelligence make Dylan McCaffrey one of the country's most compelling quarterback prospects. … Impressive mental aptitude in terms of digesting a complicated playbook; excelled in this facet at the Elite 11 Finals. A competitive athlete who commands his offensive huddle with authority. Selected by Elite 11 counselors as finalist with the strongest leadership attributes. Mental intangibles and potential for physical growth create high-ceiling projection. …presents the playbook diligence and mental fortitude coaches covet. His personality, athleticism and smarts suggest he'll be ready to follow family footsteps toward stardom when opportunities arrive in Ann Arbor.

And his high school coach provided some details on the way McCaffrey's abilities were already paying off for his team:

“…he got us into the right play so much with kills and alerts at the line of scrimmage, that really allowed us to be in the right play against the defense we wanted to run it against."

An early ESPN article on their then-junior 300 emphasized this aspect of his game as well:

"…this kid will be offered by every program that is taking the pro-style, multiple approach that requires a great deal of the quarterback at the line of scrimmage and to run the offense -- both in the run and pass game."

Simmons summed it up well: "the way he processes what's in front of him is elite."

A couple of those scouting reports mention McCaffrey's ability to move, which is significant. Rivals actually had him listed as a dual-threat QB for most of the cycle, and in crunch time last season his team started relying on his legs more than any other in their possession. His high school coach: 

“Especially in the playoffs, we relied a little bit more on his legs: he ended up being our leading rusher. He was able to get us 3-5 first downs a game with his legs in addition to what he could do with his arm."

In addition to completing two-thirds of his passes for nearly ten yards a pop, McCaffrey rushed for around 600 yards with ten touchdowns and even caught three passes. Other scouting reports that touched on his athleticism call him "very athletic," "mobile but a pure pocket passer," and the like.

Harbaugh himself said he's "very athletic and he's going to be able to move." With Brandon Peters possessing approximately the same level of mobility, Michigan's going to be able to design their offense with a half-dozen or so QB carries in mind no matter who emerges in a post-Speight world.

Speaking of, if all of this sounds barely distinguishable from Peters, yep. 24/7 called him another version of Peters, one "maybe even more talented," when he committed. A different analyst followed that up when they saw him at the Elite 11:

"a lot of similarities between McCaffrey and Brandon Peters. …similar calm to his game and seems to play without panic … really high release point … unorthodox route to get there. … just a guy that has a maturity about him."

At the level of specificity this series aspires to these guys are almost the same prospect.

They ended up at the same point in the rankings, eventually, but at one point McCaffrey was ranked the top QB on the composite not because any one scouting service was particularly high on him but because all four thought he was a top-50-ish prospect. He steadily dropped over the course of the cycle. His most precipitous drop came after the Army game. He was busy attending that award ceremony where he zinged his parents on the first day, and when he arrived he was naturally behind the other guys in attendance:

…looked a little out of sync … was late on some throws but he certainly flashed that major potential as well with some nice throws while also displaying he can be an RPO threat in Ann Arbor getting loose in practice with his legs as well.

…struggled a bit on the first day, never really settling into a rhythm with his receivers.

He would settle in as the week went on, but criticism continued. Some of it gives off a whiff of Wormley Derangement Syndrome wherein a recruiting guy is talking about putting together a high school all star team instead of projecting to the next level:

… showed the most poise and accuracy but lacked the arm strength to make deep and tight throws.

McCaffrey is 6'5" and probably 30 pounds from the finished product. The arm strength will come. You can't make the same assertions about fireballers without any vision.    

The resulting drop was dramatic. 247 slid him almost 150 spots, and McCaffrey went from 51st in the composite to 123rd. And that's fine. If it's me, I'm not looking at a guy named McCaffrey who's going to play QB for Jim Harbaugh and knocking him down the list based on this amount of data…

only got to lead the West offense twice in a scrimmage format, he threw a bad interception in one of them … being looked at based on (literally) a handful of throws

…mostly because he's not as far along physically as some other guys in his class.

Tom-Brady-shirtless-02-15-15

Etc.: My man:

“It was Denard Robinson," he said. "I loved watching him! They were definitely tough to beat. I laid out all the options, so I really did look at all the schools that I was interested in. It just so happened that they fit me best."

There have been some doozies but this is the saddest MSU recruiting article of the cycle:

MSU DB target Cumber beats Michigan QB commit McCaffery

Cumber committed to Colorado State.

Why Also Andrew Luck? He's the same recruit as Brandon Peters so he gets the same comparison. Luck is a pocket passer with plus athleticism who was ranked in about the same range coming out of high school.

Guru Reliability: High. Heavily scouted QB, All Star and Opening appearances. More or less total agreement rankings-wise, but some scouting wobbles.

Variance: Moderate. Competition level and tendency to drop when put in those All Star appearances do give some pause, as does a certain amount of projection needed to get him to 230 and assimilate increased arm strength into his repertoire.

Ceiling: Vast. 6'5" guy with some wheels and an advanced ability to process information. McCaffrey's top end is bonkers.

General Excitement Level: Very high. I mean… McCaffrey QB coached by Harbaugh seems pretty all right.

Projection: Harbaugh QB means redshirt, especially when there are three guys in front of him. Assuming Speight maintains the job McCaffrey will be in a three-way competition for the job with Peters and Joe Milton in 2019. That competition could come a year early if Speight takes off and heads to the NFL.

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What? No Fake 40 time?

What? No Fake 40 time?

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August 15th, 2017 at 3:28 PM
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it's not a commitment post...

it's not a commitment post...

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August 15th, 2017 at 3:35 PM
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He ran 5.18. TAWMY Brady says

He ran 5.18. TAWMY Brady says sup. 

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August 15th, 2017 at 11:23 PM
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I also remember seeing that

I also remember seeing that on his espn recruiting page and assumed that was his sparq info. I think he must've had a bad jump and didn't finish the sprint on that run because espn now has a 4.87 listed for him which seems more realistic base on his tape. A .3 second difference is more than a few steps.

Espn must take the lower of your two runs because they had a higher time for Rashan than his best as well. I wish there was more transparency in how they publish their times or a database. Nico Collins had a 4.70 which is super adequate for a player his size but espn is no longer showing that on his profile. Not sure what they're doing over there

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August 15th, 2017 at 3:35 PM
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From his 'Hello' post: "FAKE

From his 'Hello' post:

"FAKE 40 TIME

McCaffrey's Hudl page lists a Nike-verified 40 time of 5.18, which gets zero FAKEs out of five. He's not his brother; he still has enough athleticism to break the pocket and pick up first downs."

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August 15th, 2017 at 3:25 PM
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Whew!

Sure glad we don't play Colorado State.  But.....Fort Collins is beautiful!

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August 15th, 2017 at 9:05 PM
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I love how people in Fort

I love how people in Fort Collins give directions based on the mountains. "Turn toward the mountains, drive a mile, turn right and go parallel to the mountains..."

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August 16th, 2017 at 6:13 AM
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I'm sure there's a moral

I'm sure there's a moral victory in there somewhere...

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August 15th, 2017 at 3:25 PM
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Future

National Championship qb for M.

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August 15th, 2017 at 4:33 PM
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I agree. This blog loves to

I agree. This blog loves to hype up Peters, but I sincerely don't think he's going to do much at Michigan. I just can't bet against the McCaffrey family and think he will be our guy once Speight leaves.

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August 15th, 2017 at 7:59 PM
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Hey man

I love Peters too.  They both lead M to national championships.

MULTIPLE Championships in my view.

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August 15th, 2017 at 3:28 PM
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Good grief is that what men

Good grief is that what men wore for underwear in the late 90's? How did humanity even continue to breed?

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August 15th, 2017 at 4:35 PM
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Nu-metal has a way of

Nu-metal has a way of lowering women's expectations.

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ha

so who would have seen this comment and not broken down in laughter of disbelief 2 years ago??

That competition could come a year early if Speight takes off and heads to the NFL.

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August 15th, 2017 at 3:48 PM
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I hope Speight does go pro early

That probably means that we won a national championship!

Go Blue!  How many more days until Sept 2nd???

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August 15th, 2017 at 4:15 PM
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He's also on the older side

He's also on the older side since he sat out a year in HS.  So if he has a solid season and continues the improvement we were seeing before the Iowa game, it wouldn't surprise me if he were ready to move on at 23 years old.

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August 15th, 2017 at 3:36 PM
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Tom Brady but fast. Maybe

Tom Brady but fast. Maybe more of Matt Ryan but not a choke artist. 

 

 

EDIT: He ran 5.18. So he is just the next Tom Brady. No pressure. 

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August 15th, 2017 at 4:03 PM
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Interesting that he runs a

Interesting that he runs a 5.2 40 and his brother runs a 4.4.  You'd think with the same genes, Christian wouldn't be 20% faster.

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He's also 6 inches taller

He's also 6 inches taller than his brother and far less developed.  Give him a couple years in a college S&C program and I wouldn't be surprised to see that time drop to the 4.8 range which is plenty fast for the offense Harbaugh runs.  He certainly has the genes be a decent runner.

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Same Genes?

You forgot about genetic recombination, yo!

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The McCaffrey boys have elite

The McCaffrey boys have elite athleticism from both parents.

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August 15th, 2017 at 3:37 PM
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This class

This class is just stupid good.

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August 15th, 2017 at 3:55 PM
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Have seen him play a few times in person

and I'm very excited about his future. He does need to improve his arm strength some, but that will come with putting on more muscle, I think listing him at 210 right now might be a bit generous, I would think more 195.  I think 220 would be a good solid weight for him to play at.

He has good athleticisim and enough speed to make things happen when a play breaks down. He reads defenses well and spins the ball nicely. A couple of years under JH and I think by 2019 he could have a great shot at the starting job.

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August 15th, 2017 at 4:19 PM
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So now we're talking about

So now we're talking about Speight leaving early for the NFL?

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August 16th, 2017 at 10:13 AM
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"if"

IF Speight takes off.  If.  Last season, Speight at his best was a beast.  His stats were dragged down by regression to bad habits when he was rattled and/or injured.  If you extrapolate the games he was on -- not cherry-picking throws or stats, but the actual games where his mechanics were clean for better or worse -- you have one of the best QBs in the country.  Harbaugh uber alles.  Again, the attenuating factor here is his inconsistency.

I think it's unlikely that he leaves early, but it's not out the realm of possibility.  In the scenario where he cleans up his mechanics for good (I'm skeptical that'll happen but just saying), he'll be irresistible to the NFL.

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August 15th, 2017 at 4:19 PM
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The Excitement Levels

On these classes overall are trending in a direction I like. 2017 > 2016 > 2015

 

2018 is looking up, but that 2019 class could have crazy levels of excitement.

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August 15th, 2017 at 5:44 PM
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Based on the trajectory of

Based on the trajectory of the 2018 & 2019 classes, it wouldn't surprise me if the resulting order would be something like:

 

2019 > 2017 > 2016 > 2018 > 2015

 

Overall a pretty damned solid haul.  Clearly the recruiting isn't about just getting one specific player, or even getting one incredible class. It's about stacking up a solid 3-4 classes in a row to fill out the roster & then create some continuity so you can get into a "reload" type of pattern rather than "reload".

 

Giddy up.

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August 15th, 2017 at 4:29 PM
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Brand Name

I like how McCaffrey is used as a brand name:  "I mean… McCaffrey QB coached by Harbaugh seems pretty all right."

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August 15th, 2017 at 7:39 PM
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Makes sense, does it not? The

Makes sense, does it not? The same way a Glasgow is always a salty Irish facepuncher and a Bullough is bound to be a PED popping bro...

The pattern is clear.

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August 16th, 2017 at 1:26 PM
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Irish?

Welcome to 'All Things Scottish," if it's not Scottish it's crap!

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August 15th, 2017 at 4:59 PM
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RE: 40 time.

DCaff had 1,735 (HS) career rushing yards and 36 rushing TDs to go along with his impressive passing stats. I think he's closer (or will be) to the 4.8-4.9 range. He may not be explosive out of the blocks (like Christian) but he's got long strides (like his dad) that can get him past the markers.

He's got the genetics, tools, cast, and coaching to become a great QB. How fast he grows/develops has yet to be seen. Thankfully, it won't need to be rushed.

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August 15th, 2017 at 7:19 PM
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I'm with you

Barring an injury to one of them I don't see both Peters and Mccaffery finishing their collegiate careers at UM.

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August 15th, 2017 at 8:25 PM
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What about Harbaugh

to you shows that he plays the "experienced, less talented" player over the more "talented player"? 

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August 15th, 2017 at 9:43 PM
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Harbaugh QBs

What about Kaepernick starting over Alex Smith?

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August 15th, 2017 at 10:40 PM
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QBs

Ah, okay. I think I missed the word "here" previously. Of course that means we're basically talking about two seasons, one in which he went with the more experienced guy (Rudock) over guys with comparable or less talent, and the other in which he went with the less-experienced QB (Speight over O'Korn).

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August 15th, 2017 at 11:52 PM
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Except for last year, where

Except for last year, where he chose Speight over the more experienced O'Korn and Morris. But hey, 1 for 2. 50% is almost always, right?

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August 16th, 2017 at 7:34 AM
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That's some real goalpost

That's some real goalpost moving.  You said Harbaugh will always choose experience over talent, that clearly wasn't the case last year when he chose Speight, a guy who had no starting experience, over two guys who did have starting experience, one of whom was a starting QB for over a year.

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August 15th, 2017 at 10:06 PM
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Smith got hurt

And lost his job.

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August 15th, 2017 at 10:49 PM
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49er QBs

Right, but then Smith recovered from his injury and Kaepernick remained the starter. This was considered a bold move at the time because Smith had been playing very well leading up to the injury.

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August 15th, 2017 at 11:41 PM
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And Kaepernick took them to

And Kaepernick took them to the Super Bowl, so...

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August 15th, 2017 at 10:20 PM
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Speight may

very well leave early if he feels the writing is on the wall. I don't think it'll happen, but to openly dismiss it is ridiculous. Jim Harbaugh will start the best player possible, and if Speight sees the writing on the wall, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

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August 16th, 2017 at 11:08 PM
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He's a 6'5 Quarterback

from Michigan that was coached by Jim Harbaugh. Someone is drafting him lol. 

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August 15th, 2017 at 10:31 PM
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not so sure..

 you seem pretty certain about speight. there are alot of average looking qb`s either playing in the nfl or  who have had alot of chances to play. he looks to me like someone who will get a great chance to play in the nfl. you don`t think playing for harbaugh is going to help him?

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August 16th, 2017 at 2:58 PM
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Wait

I agree with you based on last year, but he will have this season to improve. He does have the measureables to make for a good NFL QB. I think we need to see what Pep and Harbaugh can do with him this year.

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August 16th, 2017 at 1:00 AM
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It's not a given tha Harbaugh will chose experience

Harbaugh chose Kaepernick as the starter over Smith in S.F.. And if Speight looks like an even slightly improved version of his 2016 self I think he's going to be coveted by NFL teams for his size and his ability to shake off tackles and throw downfield like Roethlisberger while in duress.

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August 15th, 2017 at 8:43 PM
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Harbaugh QB's

I look forward to the days where people (outside of Michigan fans) are as annoyed with Harbaugh having a tall, fast, smart, accurate QB every year just as we all are all annoyed with Saban having a big, fast, dreadlocked monster every year at RB.

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August 15th, 2017 at 9:14 PM
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I see Peters, don't see Luck

I see Peters, don't see Luck in either of them. What about Jake Rudock? Rudock could run some, he's a playbook genius, etc.

I do like him as a 40 year old Brady style QB with better wheels. IMO this new 4 WR, short passing game offense is going to be perfect for him.

This is a kid who can win a national title late in his career. He's going to be a coach on the field and he'll be able to get the ball to all of the playmakers around him.

I'm going with Citrus Bowl version Rudock as my comparison for McCaffrey.

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August 15th, 2017 at 9:49 PM
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Wow, he throws a nice ball.

Wow, he throws a nice ball. Also, that throw for a TD in the corner of the End Zone in his Senior roll, great touch. Can't wait to see what Jim Harbaugh is able to get out of him.

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August 16th, 2017 at 12:35 AM
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Peters ended up redshirting

With Peters using a redshirt last season we'll have both him and Dylan overlapping for 3 out out 4 years. I'm not sure that the loser of that competition is going to ride it out. And if it ends up that McCaffrey  wins Peters will be looking at holding a clipboard through his career at Michigan. Love having both of these gents but I'm not sure both will make it through their junior seasons together.

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August 16th, 2017 at 11:23 AM
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Speculation

Speculation sure is interesting. And somebody is going to be right and claim genius status...even if they only got lucky and are otherwise stupid or ignorant as hell.

 

Harbaugh is going to play whomever he believes gives the team the best opportunity of winning-because that's what good coaches do....end of story...stayed tuned.

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