the 3-3-5 rocks!

Submitted by AdverseVillain77 on

I know you guys are going to hate this, but let me just summarize.  It is absolutely freaking asinine that we are running a defense that neutralizes Roh and that 100 percent of all sane  people agree that you cannot run in the big ten.  My solution for iowa/wisconsin/osu.

1.  install the base defensive line of martin, campbell, black, and van bergen

2.  bring in roh on third down as a fifth defensive lineman or move him into ezeh's spot.

3.  let the corner's deal with man coverage, we can only stop one or the other, so be it. If they get torched, thats fine, but lets take away the cutback runs and the backwards roller skates on third and short.

And I don't want to hear anybody saying that freaking Campbell doesn't work hard or Campbell can't play.  Its bullshit.  Camnpbell is a beast and even if even he is Gabe Watson 2.0, it doesn't matter, because at least he would  provide reliability a la cutback lanes so Ezeh didn't have to guess each time.  He will draw a double team and he is a body, period.  End of story.  Those cutback runs yesterday demoralized the team and if GERG can't freaking come up with a solution or continues with this fu--ing insanity, then he will deserve to get what's coming to him.  Freaking moron.

What we are asking for as fans is for him to try to make an adjustment.  This shit 3-3-5 needs to go, it needs to go now, it needs to be extinguished so we can at least let Denard and the offense win us some games in the big ten this year.  We come out next week without campbell and martin anchoring that line, we are done.  Period. neg bang away. 

Magnus

October 10th, 2010 at 8:03 PM ^

This could have been expressed in any of the other 1,000,000 threads about the 3-3-5.

Besides, your solution is to run a 5-man defensive line or put Roh at MLB?

And you're saying the 3-3-5 is dumb?

You should probaby sit this one out for awhile.

AdverseVillain77

October 10th, 2010 at 8:07 PM ^

My solution is to put anyone on the field rather than Ezeh in his spot..  I didn't advocate running a five man defensive line if you read the post, call it what you will, or maybe just tell me i'm wrong when iowa brings in two tight ends and a fullback next week and runs it down our throats.  If you think I'm wrong, maybe you should be down there on the field with Gerg commandeering our next big ten ass-handed loss. 

Magnus

October 10th, 2010 at 8:13 PM ^

You DID advocate running a 5-man defensive line:

bring in roh on third down as a fifth defensive lineman

By the way, if I remember correctly, we had 4 down linemen on 3 of the 4 touchdowns yesterday (Baker's run, the pass to Dell, and Bell's run).  So...uhh...yeah...maybe the 3-3-5 isn't the whole problem.

But yes, I guess if I think you're wrong, I should be down on the field with Gerg.  That makes complete sense.

It's going to be a very crowded sideline because EVERYONE thinks you're wrong.

AdverseVillain77

October 10th, 2010 at 8:26 PM ^

No, what the post meant was that you could bring in Roh in some situations on third town as a fifth defensive lineman against heavy run packages.  we used to do this all of the time with crable.  That is what Roh is.  he is not a defensive lineman.  I don't care if you all think I'm wrong because I'm not wrong.  I guarantee you before the end of the year you will see Campbell and Martin out there at the same time, with two other traditional defensive ends. Watch.

 

david from wyoming

October 10th, 2010 at 9:31 PM ^

No. My basic point was that you are annoying and I don't want to hear any more of your ideas, even if do happen to be right. But, you don' seem to understand anything anyone else is trying to tell you.

meals69

October 10th, 2010 at 9:33 PM ^

then why aren't you coaching college football?

Magnus is right, you need to take a seat back on the bench an learn a little bit about how things work on this board, let alone how to fix things on the field every saturday. their makin' the big bucks, they'll get it figured out. and i'm quite sure they'll do it WITHOUT your help!

AdverseVillain77

October 10th, 2010 at 8:10 PM ^

but there is a difference.  The million posts about the 3-3-5 all came before yesterday, when it was proven to be absolutely the worst possible defense we can be running against a big ten team that can run the ball, the category of which at iowa, ohio state, and wisconsin fall into.  We know now that it can't possibly work and it has to change.  Unless of course you like losing to these freaking rummy teams every year that we used to beat. 

Magnus

October 10th, 2010 at 8:15 PM ^

I think you should watch the game again.  We used 4 down linemen on 3 out of 4 of MSU's touchdowns, all of which were big plays.

You're blaming the wrong thing (the 3-3-5) and grasping at straws.  It's not the 3-3-5.  Maybe it's the coach, it's definitely the recruiting and depth, etc., etc. 

But your ideas are much, much worse.

umchicago

October 10th, 2010 at 9:58 PM ^

what he is trying to say, i think, but stupidly, is that row isn't a true DE.  despite the fact he is the best pass rusher coming out of a 3 pt stance.  he appears to think that black would be a more effective DE than roh.  i, however, would like to try both black and roh as bookends at DE for an extended period of time. 

couldn't do any worse could it?

OaklandBlue

October 10th, 2010 at 9:36 PM ^

Curious as to what we should make of the fact that in three recruiting classes Rich Rod has not brought in a single linebacker type that is better than Ezeh.  How is that possible?

Separately I know that this sentiment has been shared before but how can scheme possibly be the culprit here when you look at the talent pool?  Bill Belichick couldn't do anything with this defensive roster.

dothepose

October 10th, 2010 at 8:04 PM ^

I actually share your hatred for the 3-3-5, but they are the coaches and know the talents of this team. I can't believe I'm saying this, but maybe the 3-3-5 gets our best 11 players on the field. That being said, its hard to see GERG coming back next year with the performances that have been put up the past two years. Lets just hope we can get to a bowl game, because after seeing Illinois beat PSU, I am now concerned with that game as well.

dothepose

October 10th, 2010 at 8:21 PM ^

That is a good point, my only concern with PSU its at Happy Valley at night. But anything can happen, I still think we can surprise some people and beat Iowa, PSU, or Wisconsin. I'm hoping we can put it together for one more game against a worthy opponent.

antonio_sass

October 10th, 2010 at 8:06 PM ^

I'm pretty sure we were running a 4-2-5 for a large part, if not majority of the game.

But by all means...rabble rabble rabble, 3 man-front

Also, if you've got "Camnpbell is a beast" sourced, I'd love to see that. Kthxbye.

p.s. on a not-so-sassy note, agree we need to fix our cutback woes.

cjffemt

October 10th, 2010 at 10:35 PM ^

I saw the same thing you did, as well as everyone else on this board.  If we were playing a 3-3-5 then CC would have had help deep on the (what was it,) 40yard bomb.  I liked the fact we blitzed our asses off, the defense showed some signs of improvement.  Now they need to work on a MLB, this is the one thing I agree with Ass, or whateeer his name is, on.  Obi either steps it up or he is benched, but once again as everyone has made clear it is for the coaches descion to make.  I hope they make the right one.

AdverseVillain77

October 10th, 2010 at 8:20 PM ^

what, and you do because you have three thousand points on your mgoblog account?  My position is simple, it advocates putting players on teh field to take away either the run or the pass, but not both.  Right now we are giving up both.  It may take someone who knows jack shit about football to actually be able to suggest something that might help us win, because right now our defensive experts are riding our team into a dungeon that is irretrievably crippling..  Certainly GERG is reputed to know more than jack shit about football yet look how bad his defense is.  Its last in the country.  Are any of you watching these games? 

BillyShears

October 10th, 2010 at 8:27 PM ^

Are you looking at the players on our defense?


Maybe Greg Robinson isn't the answer we can't make an informed judgement when his secondary consists of a Walk-on Sophmore, a guy who switched from WR this year, Sophmore JT Floyd and a Redshirt Freshman who also switched from WR this year

BillyShears

October 10th, 2010 at 8:28 PM ^

Are you looking at the players on our defense?


Maybe Greg Robinson isn't the answer but we can't make an informed judgment when his secondary consists of a Walk-on Sophmore, a guy who switched from WR this year, Sophmore JT Floyd and a Redshirt Freshman who also switched from WR this year

dennisblundon

October 10th, 2010 at 8:27 PM ^

I know about football because I actually played college football. That does not make me a coach and neither does you watching the game on TV. You advocated for a five man front on 3rd down as well as our corners playing man coverage. This alone reveals that despite watching the game on Saturday you don't know jack shit about football.

david from wyoming

October 10th, 2010 at 8:27 PM ^

You do not know more about football than GERG. You just don't. You may think you know more, but trust me, you don't. I'm sorry to break the news to you. Please take this information into account on all new mgo posts. Thank you.