OT- Game of Thrones S6 E2: Home
How could you be disappointed that Jon came back? Who else is going to fight the Others & their army, which is the real threat, which practically no one south of the wall understands. Someone's got to be leader enough to hold the wall until Daenerys shows up with her dragons.
Maybe in the way he came back, but Thoros of Myr, who didn't have much faith, said he just said the words, and the Lord of Light granted his favor (raising Dondarrion). So it doesn't have much to do with Melisandre being on her game - she's just the conduit for the god's power.
Perhaps he is disappointed with how soon he came back. I love Jon Snow and am glad he is back, but I really thought that would be something they show either next season or as a cliffhanger to end season six. I mean come on...how great of a cliffhanger would that last scene of episode two have been for episode ten?
On the other hand, they've got 23 episodes left, and they need to start moving the pieces towards the endgame. Leaving Jon out of the picture for another 8 episodes would really make those last 15 episodes frantic.
It was how he came back. I don't really remember the details behind Dondarrion's deal - too many story lines ago. I just thought that she had given up completely when she took off the amulet last episode. And bringing someone back doesn't seem like something just anyone should be able to do. Whether ToM just said the words, or not, one would assume he was quite the priest that still fully believed. Mel no longer believed... So maybe I just suspend that little bit of belief I was holding out on and agree to let words be words? I'm okay with that - it's a good way to look at it. And yes, I know Jon needed to come back!
Now to see some dragon feasts...
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Thoros explicitly explains to Arya that he had lost all faith in the Red God and was no longer a believer, but when his friend Dondarrion is killed 1st time he "said the Words" because he knew them and because his friend lay dead before him.
He was the most surprised when it worked. Melissandre rebukes him and says he should not have that power and he just shrugs and says the Lord decides who gets brought back and who doesn't.
So in 2 instances now we've seen people get the power to revive the dead only after losing all faith in their God. So, whatever that means....?
I was interested to see the Euron killed Balon theory get confirmed.
I think the Iron Islanders storyline in the book just feels like a giant distraction in George's attempt to create an apparent Fodor's guide to Westeros. If it has a payoff then I will be happy to have gotten a glimpse into those inner workings, but for right now it feels like more time has been spent there than the anticipated payoff.
I mean, the show isn't exactly canon anymore and they are gutting out the storylines... so maybe they just went with the path of least resistence...
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The tea leaves were always there for Euron to have done it and you can introduce him equally as dramatically at the Kingsmoot as you can having him throw Balon off the bridge. Besides, as a confirmed skeptic about the books ever being finished, I'm calling this canon.
I'm guessing one way or another that Dany crosses the narrow sea on Ironborn ships, which would be one way to make them key to the narrative. Given the burning of the fleet at Mereen in the show, I'm leaning more heavily to this theory.
Agree. The trick will be how to deal with Euron having the horn Dragonbinder. With the "three heads of the dragon" having been pretty much identified, Euron* has to lose out, but I don't see how.
*assuming they just have Euron go to Slaver's bay, rather than sending Victorian.
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...well, I don't know what to tell ya. They certainly weren't gonna do all that buildup for nothing. Although, I admit, it would have been rather amusing (and a huge kick in the nuts to the fans), had they faded to black and rolled the credits as Davos left the room and the door shut. Even George R.R. himself isn't that sadistic. ;-)
Loved the Hodor/Ned flashback sequence. Hey, maybe one day we'll get a prequel series. I'd be down for that!
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I would love to see the Dornish stand up to the Targaryean's and their dragons.
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Why does it have to be Martin that writes a prequel? I've never read the books, and don't intend to, so I wouldn't care who wrote it - just that it makes sense with the current show. I like the idea, and its not without precedent.
G.R.R.M. has stated that there will be no prequel books because the story will all be told by the end of ASOIAF. As for a show? Would be awesome. They would have to get Martin to sign off.
Edit: There's been enough written about the Tournament at Harrenhal to cover 1/2 a season or better. Pivotal moment in the history that would be fun to see played out.
Edit-Edit - He was speaking of the time frame of young Ned/Rob to Roberts Rebellion. He did say he may be interested in writting about somewhere between the Doom of Valyria to Aegon's Conquest.
Your condescending tone is astounding. "Like the show? Must be an uneducated dolt that can't appreciate subtlety."
Come. On.
The first two seasons of the show were as literal and word-for-word adaptations as one could imagine.
Frankly, your post makes it seem like YOU haven't read the books:
Again in the show they needed a villain to replace Joffrey so they created this Ramsay character who is a military genius, sadist, lover, passionate foil to our hero Jon.
Ummmm... Ramsay exists in the books. He tortures Theon in the books. He kills people in the books. He rapes people in the books. In fact, the rape of Jeyne Poole was even more horrific in the books than the rape of Sansa. In the books, it's setting up for Jon and Ramsay to possibly have a showdown as well.
Hardhome is certainly a deviation, but the books don't go into ANY detail at all, outside of "something happened there."
And if you think GoT is a "ADHD explosion-fest" then you're seriously blind. In fact, many, many episodes are derided because they are too slow for some. Not me, I love the back story and dialogue. I love any KL politics scene or the adventures of Brienne and Pod or the adventures of Arya and the Hound. I really don't understand your wildly inaccurate complaints.
In fact, I wonder if you picked up on the GoT subtlety of Tyrion's scene's last night and some of the underlying implications (I won't get into because some theory talk might be considered spoilerish).
That's a very simplistic view of why the show differs from the books.
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Brienne and Pod meeting every main character in a country the size of south America, little finger marrying Sansa to the Bolton's, Jaime still not thinking Cercei a total cunt, saint Tyrion being right all the time, Barristan dying in a back alley to make way for a eunuch romance ect. It's all dumbed down for a television audience.
None of these things is "dumbing down" anything.
Lots of really bad assumptions there. You really need to think before posting.
You don't know what davos has said to Melissandre in the few hours she has been back at castle Black, so your assertion that Davos "does not question where Stannis is" is just an assumption you made to support a thesis that has no basis in fact.
As for resurrecting Jon, his reasons for asking her were actually presented in the show - you might be the simple one, if you couldn't follow that dialogue.
We get that you are a book snob. ASoFaI book snobs are a dime a dozen on the web and, frankly, they have long since worn ut their welcome. The show is as complex and fulll of detail as the medium allows and, frankly, the story is much richer and deeper with Martin's self-indulgent hogwash dumped overboard.
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