On Banning Satellite Camps
[Eric Upchurch]
The NCAA has banned satellite camps, because… [404 reason not found]. But it's done:
DI Council also approves rule requiring FBS camps and clinics be conducted on a school's campus or in regular facilities.
— NCAA (@NCAA) April 8, 2016
I have literally not seen a single peep in favor of this ruling anywhere public, from coaches to athletes to media members. A couple of reporters covering the SEC have related the private thoughts of coaches happy they can binge-watch Everybody Loves Raymond again, but ain't nobody coming out and waving the flag in favor of a rule change that literally only benefits people making 300k+.
This isn't going to have a major impact on Michigan, but it rankles because it is so transparently opposite the NCAA's claimed mission. If there's anyone who takes the NCAA's increasingly hilarious self-promotion seriously anymore, this should end that. It's a cartel of self-interested asshats operating under a veneer of virtue, because you can do astounding things as long as you have said veneer.
Meanwhile Jim Delany sits in a corner burbling about cable subscribers and counting his millions of dollars. What a country.
Additional thoughts will be introduced with an innovative bolded in-line title.
Q: SMSB? Over the past ten years, Sound Mind Sound Body has become a very large camp indeed, one featuring dozens of college coaches and four digits worth of athletes. Either the NCAA just bombed that camp hard or maybe there's a loophole. That loophole could be SMSB's charity nature. Coaches have been allowed there because they volunteer their time, IIRC, and the word choice in the ruling is specific:
SPORTS LAW HIVEMIND: Does the fact that this is "employed" and not "may not participate" mean what I think it does? pic.twitter.com/MpVJSaRRCX
— Bryan Mac (@Bry_Mac) April 8, 2016
If SMSB happens as planned then this is a non-ruling easily evaded. Michigan coaches can just go volunteer at the various SMSB-alikes that will proliferate like mushrooms after a rain.
If college coaches disappear then it's game over.
Ugh, work. This is simultaneously frustrating and very good for Michigan:
The SEC coaches I talked to were keeping their fingers crossed that satellite camps were outlawed. Just more work for everybody.
— Chris Low (@ClowESPN) April 8, 2016
Harbaugh is still working harder than your coach. Your coaches who are making six- and seven-figure salaries on the backs of unpaid labor. They are going to sit in a circle and go "LOL remember that time we stopped Harbaugh from working" as Harbaugh invents new ways to torture his enemies.
Hooray lawsuits! This is now very relevant. Jack Swarbrick, ND AD and law-talking guy, on the legal defensibility of the ban:
“The NCAA does not have a very good track record of limiting, without losing an antitrust lawsuit, economic opportunities for coaches,” Swarbrick said Tuesday at the College Football Playoff meetings. “So they should be treading very lightly. The perception is these are school opportunities. A lot of these are coach opportunities purely. Imagine a rule that said, as was introduced years ago, coaches couldn't do national televised advertising because it created a recruiting advantage. … I wouldn't want to defend those lawsuits.”
A 1999 lawsuit resulting from an NCAA rule that limited assistant coach salaries to 16k a year(!) was victorious, leading to the free-for-all you see today. It'll be tough to win that lawsuit if it does come. So we've got that going for us when this hypothetical trial wraps up a decade from now.
[HT: Carl Paulus]
Disappointed to read satellite camp news-better solutions than a ban- will hurt PSA's & Group of 5 schools. pic.twitter.com/fhmEDnn2ve
— Pat Fitzgerald (@coachfitz51) April 8, 2016
This is not a surgical strike. Via Steve Wiltfong, non-Power 5 coaches are of course upset:
The new ruling basically says mid-major programs aren't allowed to participate in camps not held on campus. For instance, MAC schools flock to Big Ten camps as say an Ohio State camp generally only has a handful of kids good enough to play for the Buckeyes but several that could play for Ball State, Kent State, Toledo or Western Michigan.
Two MAC coaches told 247Sports they weren't sure how this rule affects them. One said "shocking."
Given that I wonder how the hell this legislation even passed. All Group of Five schools should be against it. The Big Ten should be against it. Big chunks of the Big 12, Pac 12, and ACC should be against it. Not only is it transparently against the interests of athletes, it's transparently against the interests of most of D-I.
Good lord, Harbaugh. Perhaps the greatest tragedy in all of this is that we didn't have to clone Sam Webb and almost kill both of 'em:
247Sports is told Michigan had 30 camps lined up, they were going to split groups and sometimes do two a day. Stops would have included North Florida, South Florida, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Orange County, Alabama, South Carolina, Virginia, New Jersey, Mississippi, Tennessee, Ohio, Maryland and Connecticut.
Jim Harbaugh is always himself at maximum volume. Gonna be some fun times in the near future, satellite camps or no.
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No Reason for Utah to Keep Harbaugh Out?
"Utah's per-capita share of residents with ancestral links to the tropical Pacific isle of Tonga, Samoa, Hawaii, Tahiti, Guam, Fiji and to Maori peoples of New Zealand is now the highest in the continental US, and behind only Hawaii and Alaska nationwide."
"University of Michigan Head Football Coach Jim Harbaugh announced Thursday (March 3) the hiring of Tony Tuioti as the program's director of player personnel."
"Tuioti (pronounced TOO-ee-oh-TEE) spent six seasons at the University of Hawaii. Off the playing field, Tuioti was the lead recruiter for Hawaii.Tuioti and his wife, Keala, have seven children: Teisa, Teivis, Teilor, Teitum, Teimana, Teiyana and Teinia."
Jim Harbaugh thought very highly of DT Bryan Mone ... he told The Michigan Insider that the team had Mone ranked as the team's third best player going into last year.
A major factor in Paea's commitment to Michigan was director of player personnel Tony Tuioti, a Hawaii native who hit it off with the prospect on his first visit to campus last month.
Paea is Michigan's tenth commit in the 2017 class and the first on the defensive line. He's also a cousin of current DT Bryan Mone; in addition to genes, they share similarly impressive hairstyles.
http://archive.sltrib.com/story.php?ref=/sltrib/tribpreps/55702182-190/…
http://www.mgoblue.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/030316aaa.html
Mone was not going to Utah State, camps or not. You may be thinking of Utah, which is in the Pac 12 (i.e. not a small conference team).
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this was insightful
Source told @ESPN conferences that voted against satellite camps: ACC, Big 12, SEC, Pac-12, MWC, Sun Belt. In favor: B1G, AAC, C-USA, MAC
— Brett McMurphy (@McMurphyESPN) April 8, 2016
SUN BELT? and MWC?
edit: beaten to it above
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This is about the SEC wanting to keep its recruiting grounds for the SEC only.
If you ban them, fine. But call it what it is.
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Or can we open the University of Michigan-Miami campus with an extension of the Ross business school?
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a branch in LA???
it sure as hell does
is also a non-profit camp and has been going on for 13 years. Last year, they had ~1,800 kids (largest attended M Camp last year). How can they ban Michigan coaches from volunteering at a non-profit camp?
Like your thinking OC Alum 91 and hope your are right. One thing is certain, the best interests of the high school athletes and their families were completely disregarded here in favor of the convenience of the "entltled" class of collegiate coaches and administrators who complained about this.
This is one of those ridiculously stupid things I can't let slide: Coaches making six and seven figures on the backs of unpaid labor. These kids are getting full rides that may be worth north of 250k over the course of their careers. This isn't even close to being unpaid labor. Furthermore, it is completely voluntary. I couldn't care less if you also want to pay these players as long as you are making all the sports that lose money pay to play and pull their scholarships and housing funding.
If a student receives an academic scholarship, they do zero labor for the school in return for the scholarship. They just need to maintain a minimum GPA.
A scholarship athlete, on the other hand, must perform labor for 25-plus hours a week during pre-season workouts and during the season, plus during bowl prep, if any, spring practices, plus so-called voluntary strength and conditioning periods.
Of those hours.
Academic students bring in money to the university with grants and research as
Well.
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/jon-solomon/25547256/nc…
Jon Solomon with a great takedown of the stupidity and hipocricy of this decision. CBS has been killing it today on this issue. Strangely, ESPN relatively silent on it.
The one thing about the NCAA adminstrators overseeing this, they are who we thought they are, and they care damn little about the welfare of the high school student athlete.
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This song works well (and in a pretty funny way, IMO) if you imagine the singer is an SEC coach worrying about Harbaugh stealing his recruits.
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Volunteering at camps is the loophole to exploit, and
The price of vacant land adjacent to IMG is about to increase.
By going to IMG Academy during their school year, Harbaugh brought to light all of the future trips he would be making into SEC territory. Until that IMG trip, there wasn't nearly the talk from the SEC about stopping it all. I believe that if Harbaugh would have gone to IMG in the summer, when school was not in for those students, there wouldn't have been such backlash from SEC coaches.
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As an Iowa State fan, I was looking forward to the camp in Fort Worth this summer. Teaming up with Harbaugh and the UM staff would be a great way to get recruits excited about our program as well. I'm not and idiot, I know the UM brand and Harbaugh name would be what got pretty much all of them there, but I guarantee some of them would leave very impressed with our staff as well.
That said...I can pretty much guarantee the schools that voted against satellite camps from the Big 12 either are located in Texas or Oklahoma. I'm guessing that Kansas, Iowa State, Baylor and West Virginia voted against it. Kansas State is iffy because Snyder is old school...like really old school (thinking he may be a vampire). Okie State would be smart to vote against it. They lose out on most Texas and OU guys to their rivals, but I'm betting they voted to ban them. That would be Texas, TCU, OU, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and probably Kansas State...but that's just my guess. I said no to Baylor because they had a camp scheduled with Harbaugh and UM coming up in July in Waco.
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Your a joke. Makes me sick to think about this topic.
Maybe we should not all 5 official visits too????
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April 10th, 2016 at 10:09 AM ^
A simple email complaint isn't going to get it done.
My knowledge on a potential over turning of something like this is little so I am curious?
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April 10th, 2016 at 10:21 AM ^
The format:
1. Power 5: they get to do 3 camps a year but each have to be in different parts of the county by region. For example: Alabama- one in the north, one in the west and east. Outside your current region.
2. They select where; but the rule is next year cannot return to same state got to mix it up to reach other student athletes in other states. Once you hit all states in that geography or conference you start over. Goal covering the entire country.
3. Conferences like the MAC; can do 3-5. More exposure for the smaller conferences only helps college football and strengthens competition, etc.
Goal around this is eventually your school hits every state and covers entire county. If LSU is coming to Michigan this year and you miss it well next year they are in Ohio. It would prevent say everyone hitting IMG year after year or Florida every year. Levels the playing field. Also conferences cannot complain it levels the playing field. Smaller schools like MAC and conf USA get more camps. They don't have the dollars to do the big dog and pony shows like a Michigan, Bama or Oregon.
I think it would be great for the kids...just venting and sharing. Curious to your thoughts.
Ps
Sorry if there is grammar errors; typing from my I phone and multi tasking which I know I know I shouldn't be.
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