OT: So Jared Leto's Joker is uhh.... edgy?

Which also spawned Harley Quinn, who was loved enough to be written into the comics. That's why I think the Leto joker is just.....off. If something has Harley in it, then I automatically picture her with the animated series joker.

God damn Arnold and his Mr. Freeze puns, "let's go kick some ice!"

You would think so.

Since 1986 they've made Batman this supreme strategist who can figure out a way to defeat anyone in the gotdamn universe. I love Batman to death but come on. I'm sure he'd formulate one hell of a plan(ala Dark Knight Returns) but what can you really do against a being who has damn near every superpower there is?

If I remember correctly, Green Arrow gives Batman kryptonite to even the playing field.  But that probably isn't how it's going to work in Dawn of Justice.

Batman has been portrayed the past thirty years as actually having a superpower level of intellect and planning.  The idea is that, given time to prepare and his wealth of resources, Batman can defeat ANYONE.

Furthermore, Superman is very by-the-book.  He exhibits restraint when fighting anyone who isn't nigh invulnerable in his comics all the time.

Batman plans for this fact accordingly.

 

As to why they are in conflict - well, that's what makes it a fine story (assuming the film is based on Miller's outstanding book).  But essentially, Superman is portrayed as a government stooge following the agenda of the power elite,  while Batman is the vigilante who gets things done but often has to ignore a few laws in order to do so.  Superman is tasked with reeling Batman in.  Batman tasks himself with taking Superman down a few notches.

 

So, to apply the football simile:

Superman is the football team loaded with talent, and a brutally simplistic Manball style of play.

Batman is the football team with good talent, but a maniacal level of preparation, trick plays, and execution.

Animated movies, yes. And, I don't dispute that The Flash and Arrow are doing really well. But don't knock Agents of Shield. That show got really good starting with the 2nd half of last season.

And if you haven't seen Daredevil, it blows either of the CW shows out of the water.

I'm just disappointed that rather than do their own thing, DC chose to just copy Marvel's plan (and poorly, if the DOJ trailer and this picture are anything to go by).

DISCLAIMER: No DC movie has come out yet, therefore all these judgments are based on the tidbits of information and the aforementioned trailer/picture that has been released.

I think it's pretty ridiculous to call it a joke that people like certain movies. I happen to really enjoy the Marvel movies and I'm really looking forward to the new Avengers movie next week. People like different movies. I feel like a lot of people enjoy the more light hearted comic book movies, but that's just my guess.

Personally, I liked the first two Nolan movies, but couldn't get into MoS. Just never cared for Superman. I don't know much about Suicide Squad, but i will probably go see it. I like that DC is taking a different approach to their movies, but the darker grittier movies are really hit or miss for me. Really liked TDK and Daredevil but not TDKR or MoS.

Also, I really liked Iron Man 3. I really don't understand the backlash it gets from some comic fans.

My biggest beef with MOS is the fact that even when everyone knew Krypton was falling apart they decided to send Zod and his army to the Phantom Zone instead of letting them rot and die with Krypton. So they basically saved them as punishment for trying to overthrow the leaders. That logic, combined with Snyder's affinity for Snap Zoom fight scenes which is just annoying as hell.