UPDATE: Charges brought to three Michigan frat boys
This topic is still white-hot and still relevant to many people on this blog. If you are tired of hearing about it, don't click.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/03/20/um-sigm…
Charges have now been brought: Legal Blues, have at it because I am still confused. My fear is that these little assholes, being little assholes, are going to lawyer the hell up (probably getting repped by their own fathers in many cases) and drag this crap out, with the university and its reputation along for the long ride. If none of the individuals are going to come forward and accept responsibility, I wish the frat would just pony up the cash and make this thing go away.
March 21st, 2015 at 12:28 PM ^
wasn't good enough for you to state your opinion?
March 21st, 2015 at 12:33 PM ^
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March 21st, 2015 at 12:34 PM ^
My fear is that these little assholes, being little assholes, are going to lawyer the hell up (probably getting repped by their own fathers in many cases) and drag this crap out, with the university and its reputation along for the long ride.
This is a ridiculous assumption. Is having a lawyer father a prerequisite to being in a fraternity? Given the large possibility that their fathers are not lawyers, are you blaming them for hiring one? I don't understand.
March 21st, 2015 at 12:48 PM ^
First of all, the other thread was before charges. Thus the word UPDATE.
And I do assume that several kids in this frat have lawyers for fathers. Yes, I do. And this does not make their fathers bad people. But the lack of accountability that these criminals are displaying (and there are people who did this, and there are people who know who did this) is decidedly the behavior of people who have retreated to the safety of legal protection and are likely planning to drag this process through litigation and try to save their own asses. This brings dirt on ALL of the members of this band of shitheads and by association all of us who are tied to the university for as long as they drag it out. They should pay the resort for damages, but it does not appear that they intend to. Gutless behavior.
March 21st, 2015 at 12:56 PM ^
So you're really telling me that if your kid was arrested and charged with a crime you'd tell him to just go plead guilty? No chance in hell.
There is no "spirit of the University"...those types of things are myths
Oh, is that why the Hail and Unite group feels we need their new song?
/s - just in case
Between the damage at Treetops: fraternity Sigma Alpha Mu & sorority Sigma Delta Tau.
And Boyne damage, which was: Chi Psi and Pi Kappa Alpha fraternities, and the Delta Gamma and Alpha Phi sororities.
You're talking six very prominent houses. This entire situation casts the University and more specifically University Greek culture in a very bad light.
I'll just point out one that I haven't seen addressed. None of these students are going to be represented by their fathers. That would be a terrible idea, even if the court allowed it.
So are you wanting them to represent themselves in court....
March 21st, 2015 at 12:35 PM ^
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March 21st, 2015 at 12:42 PM ^
Frat boys
March 21st, 2015 at 12:45 PM ^
how you really feel about this issue...
March 21st, 2015 at 12:47 PM ^
So what you're saying is, they should just plead guilty and pay up because you don't want to hear any more about it?
March 21st, 2015 at 12:51 PM ^
So what you're saying is, they should hide behind a lawyer and not take accountability for their actions and drag all of their other "brothers" and by association the entire university through the mud?
March 21st, 2015 at 12:58 PM ^
Due process = hide behind a lawyer?
Actually I didn't say anything of the kind, just clarifying what you were saying. You seem upset.
March 21st, 2015 at 12:53 PM ^
Standard procedure. Leadership positions take the fall. The 3rd kid has it a lot worse than the president and treasurer though.
March 21st, 2015 at 12:57 PM ^
Now if the prosecutor insist on a felony conviction then you will see a fight. That seems like a waste of resources and prosecutorial grandstanding however. A relatively painful plea deal to a misdemeanor seems most likely. Form the kids perspective even spending the summer in Jail should be preferable to a felony.
Yeah damn those people who get representation with lawyers! There's already a thread right below. We don't need your classism and stupidity on top of it.
How much do you want to bet that the OP has a friend/lawyer that gets him out of speeding/parking tickets?
Stop making threads about this. One was quite enough. Anything more than that should be deleted.
I think it's kind of ridiculous to talk about prosecuting the kids to the fullest extent of the law out of one side of your mouth and then criticize them for hiring a lawyer to defend against the charges on the other side. It's one thing to take responsibility and be punished for your crime, and it's another to try and, like, not let it entirely ruin your entire life/future/etc. If I were in their position I'd have to imagine I'd definitely hire a lawyer.
this isn't being deleted quickly because of March Madness so this may go on for a while.
Yossarians Tree: also douchebag.
The level of classism and bitter attitudes towards greek life on this board is obscene. No one is condoning what these kids did but the innuendo about "daddy's little boys/girls" is insulting. Everyone has right to prevent something from ruining their life/future and you would do the same.
Further, quit whining and get off your soapbox about the University's image. This is less than 1/10000th the controvorsy you're making it out to be nationwide and compared to actual discussion-worthy events like the Oklahoma video, UVA lacrosse assault and Duke scandal. No one is dumb enough (I guess there's at least one) to meaningfully implicate the rest of the University to this story.
In short, buzz off.