FreddieMercuryHayes

December 18th, 2014 at 8:12 AM ^

Didn't look at the numbers exactly, but I was reading articles about coaching salaries last night, and one written at the time Meyer was hired stated his contract made him the highest paid coach in college at that time.

Also, even at this time, there is only one guy making more than 6 million, and that is Saban.  And that was like a 5 million raise that happened last year or early this year to the 7 mil mark he's making now.  The next few coaches below him are currently in the 4.5-5 million range.

Mittelstadt

December 18th, 2014 at 7:51 AM ^

Just good to know we are playing in the bigs now. Maybe the strategy is to force SF to let him go before season end. And a side benefit is other solid candidates will take notice at that price point and make contact through their agents. Bob Stoops, Les Miles, Etc.

sierragold

December 18th, 2014 at 7:58 AM ^

Michigan = Lots of Dollars + Alma Mater + Kicking Meyer & Dantonio"s ass + NC Ring + Living in a Great Place like Ann Arbor Michigan.

Why is it that when everyone talks about Michigan they make it sound like the North Pole. Jim grew up here. He knows how great Michigan really is.

He's coming home! December 30th!

NFL expects offers, but there are none right now! No one can top the offer of him returning to his Alma Mater, U of M.

 

Danwillhor

December 18th, 2014 at 8:01 AM ^

All logic, including the verification of such an offer, with any doubt still in the air regarding his intentions has to indicate how unlikely it is. As much as nobody wants to hear it, while not proof at all, it screams "there is nothing you can offer me if I don't want it". I'm ok with that outside of dragging things out to the very end only to say no. It seems like every Tuesday comes a little more seemingly legit info/feeling and I'm not sure this makes it past today if he has no intention. If it did, that is where potential animosity will arise. I have zero issue with him saying "no thanks" for whatever reason. He's his own man with a family, etc. However, if this kind of money & obvious control at Michigan didn't give him a sure answer in the days after he heard it (I'm sure he's had this offer AT LEAST since Monday) then what is there to doubt? That offer is a sure "yes" or "no" within a week even if not public. Now that it is public he almost has to give some indication (even if private) to UM that he will or won't to avoid the risk of seeming careless. If we go to the New Year still waiting after this offer and he says no it's going to rub many here the wrong way. Big-time. No problem if he had already told us "no" or we get it today/Friday but now that this seems official & IMO, sadly public at this time, it almost has to force hand. In that environment, I think it's "I'm sorry but, no, final answer". I think we can say we haven't gotten that as of 8am EST. It might change as soon as today as logic dictates (not concretely) that this is not a "new" offer & once public cannot be ignored to the point it has so far. This level of privacy, IMO, can only be had with this kind of situation where both parties are close & connected with intimate backchannels doing most of the talking. I think we'll know if he declines us very soon after he does by our actions as CFB coaches, towns, fans, etc are too talkative to keep an offer anywhere near that a secret. I just think this going public was either our way of forcing his hand, their way of essentially quietly declining by letting the NFL know what the floor for Jim is OR a very unfortunate and now very awkward national story that could derail any shot by forcing hands at the concern of alienating your alma mater by directly or seeming to use them as a hostage for your career. I don't think any good comes if this being more than rumor at this time. That "shock & awe" offer in the NFL v UM bid war is now public. Teams have time to now work out how they'll top it, etc. *Basically this helps nobody by no longer being rumor, IMO. It only helps the NFL so you'd have to assume a pro-NFL intention turned it from rumor to fact to hinder any chance he goes to UM. It could be SF, Jim's agent, a shady NFL owner, etc. Finally, it could be us trying to get him to give us some idea so we aren't left holding our dong come Jan 3rd. Any angle = bad, IMO. You don't corner a wild Harbaugh, intended or not.

BlueinLansing

December 18th, 2014 at 8:04 AM ^

is becoming a toy of the rich, I don't like where this is heading.

 

I'm happy Michigan is after Harbaugh and hopefully we turn a corner but it makes me pretty ill to think that wealthy people can have so much influence on salaries of a college football coach.

I mean come on, 8.1 million to coach football.  Ridiculous.

sierragold

December 18th, 2014 at 8:33 AM ^

It is so much better to hire mediocre at around say $4,000,000.00 and watch the stadium slowly empty out just to repeat every 3 to 4 years.

Fans are asking Michigan to get Harbaugh, Michigan is doing exactly what we have asked for and now even though it was clearly rumored last week of the deal some people are seriously complaining? I will personally donate to feed the homeless if Michigan is willing to give the fans what we have been asking for.

$100.00 is my Donation to the homeless once the deal is accepted by Harbaugh and this is in addition to my current donations! Would anyone else like to donate as well?

 

jdon

December 18th, 2014 at 8:23 AM ^

I just keep wondering how we can justify a scholarship/housing for four years when the coach is making eight fucking million dollars a year?

personally a contract like this disgusts me...

jdon

 

FreddieMercuryHayes

December 18th, 2014 at 8:21 AM ^

It's difficult for me to reconcile at first, but it makes sense the more you think about it.  First, the athletic department is completely independent of the University.  So no general fund, tuition, taxes, etc are going to pay for this.  It's all tickets, merchandise, donations, etc.  Second, you have to think of it as an investment.  If the investment pays off, the athletic department makes that back and more easy, which will hopefully benefit other student athletes. 

However, if you're more concerned with general ethics, i.e. think of all the homeless people we can help with 8 million bucks, well then college football or basketball in general just isn't for you.  Hell, no sport is for you then except the rec leagues in your local town.  I struggle personally to reconcile my knowledge that sports really serves me personally no purpose, and little to society as a whole except for providing jobs I guess.  But I still love UM sports, and I'm happier to see them win, so I guess throw the money down, and hope it pays off in the end.

Danwillhor

December 18th, 2014 at 8:32 AM ^

road that, sadly, is already paved. We're just finally driving on it. Ethically, it's insane. Competitively, it's on point and where an AD like Michigan's should be. I don't like it from an ethical, general world condition standpoint. As a fan of an obvious product, said product is not only right but obligated to go in this direction. Refusal to would be worse than outright admitting defeat, going generic/low end & expectations.

SalvatoreQuattro

December 18th, 2014 at 9:09 AM ^

should be billionaires because they have by far the most important job in any country.

The fact is that there are only 20 or so head coaching jobs in America that have the same demands and expectations as Michigan.Their are far more cops, nurses, soldiers, doctors, farmers, and engineers than excellent football coaches. Numbers alone make the contract logical.

He's worth it if he comes and does what he expects.Good or great leaders are exceedingly difficult to find.

People question why pay one man so much forget that individuals have and still make profound impacts on mankind. Leaders are important. They are the captain that steers the ship of society.

I understand the questioning of such pay, but the athletic department is finding this on it's own with probable donor assistance. In no way does this cost the academic side of the university.

It must also be said that the football program is the fact of the university to a lot of people. It is giant billboard for UM. It then makes sense to pay to make sure that the billboard will attract eyeballs for good reasons.

TheVictors

December 18th, 2014 at 8:23 AM ^

You have to love the wild speculation by the fans. It's worse than analysts and economists parsing every word when the Chairman of the Fed speaks on interest rates. Lol Too many puppies...

The_Mad Hatter

December 18th, 2014 at 8:53 AM ^

if JH passes, just got A LOT more expensive.

Agent - Oh, you were willing to pay JH $8 million per year, but my guy is only being offered 6?  No thanks.

That's how we end up with Schiano or some other also-ran as coach.  Unless Hackett is smart enough to offer Miles the same deal.

TheVictors

December 18th, 2014 at 8:58 AM ^

You don't think JH is commanding a higher market value than other candidates? So you think Dan Mullen or Les Miles will be offered similar and by half a dozen NFL teams too? JH is the hottest coaching candidate now, period. The 49'ers are raging idiots for screwing him over like this. Complete arrogance and ego getting in the way and M will be the benefactor. (More likely that JH contract gets the attention of Saban's agent and the guys repping Herb in Columbus than it impacts what M may offer a Plan B candidate)

The_Mad Hatter

December 18th, 2014 at 9:10 AM ^

commanding more market value than any other candidate.

But if he passes, and we're scrambling to hire a coach (sound familiar?), what's to stop any top level target for demanding the same, or at least a similar, contract?

If we get to plan B after this gigantic offer is publically turned down, the next coach has Hackett over a barrel. 

TheVictors

December 18th, 2014 at 9:17 AM ^

That's just not how it works. Every new precedent set by coaching contract negotiations slowly raises the bar but each candidate has a value and if Greg Schiano's agent thinks he's worth $8m ...$6m, Schiano needs to get better representation.

Amaizing Blue

December 18th, 2014 at 9:08 AM ^

Michigan is trying to win, and win big.  To do that in today's college football landscape, they will have to spend big.  They are spending it on the best head coach available and his staff. (I haven't heard what the budget is for assistants, but have to believe JH would have the ability to hire whoever he wanted without cost being a factor.)  Spending huge money on coaches and facilities is within NCAA rules and completely legal.

Other schools are spending their money by paying players directly.  Bagmen, SEC schools, Hugh Freeze, Laquon Treadwell, OSU-I'm talking to you!  From everything I've heard and read-ever-Michigan doesn't do this.  (Fab Five and Ed Martin was 20 years ago, and in basketball, so Sparty can shut up.)  I would guess the huge majority of Michigan fans wouldn't accept us doing this, even if it meant we had Bama level success.

I want us to win and be relevant again.  If it takes 8 million a year from ticket sales, merchandise, and TV rights, I'm in.  Hell, I'll even buy a sweatshirt and cap to help out.  We could get a coach for a million bucks or so, hire a new one every 4 years when he left for greener pastures, and look forward to those magical seasons when everything came together and we went 8-4.  We would have the moral high ground on all fronts then...but it would cause us more mental anguish than I personally am willing to endure.

Danwillhor

December 18th, 2014 at 9:19 AM ^

kid along with (especially) the modern media funny give out praise for morality. If so, the SEC would be condemned instead of embraced. osu would be the scorn of every Midwestern HS coach/player, etc. Winning is what people care about when it boils down to the core elements. From a world generality standpoint it's insane to pay any coach even a million, let alone 8 a year. It's ethically wrong outside of the business (it is a product) they're in. Heck, inside if you look at what players risk (look at that Oregon CB for example). Yet, that's what product they sell and we want so within it I find nothing wrong with it. If you bring in the funds that the UM AD does, this is not only right but obvious and potentially years too late given the quality of product the last decade.

The_Mad Hatter

December 18th, 2014 at 9:28 AM ^

offer.  I'm just not fond of it being reported so widely by national media outlets.  I think it would have better served our interests if the offer stayed private.

Unless it has already been accepted of course.

In which case, w00t!!!

 

EDIT: I retract this post.  mGrowOld's argument below has convinced me.

mGrowOld

December 18th, 2014 at 9:17 AM ^

Leaking the enormity of this offer serves two purposes and I think it's brilliant:

1. It shows the Michigan fanbase that all guns are loaded and we're deadly serious about getting Harbaugh if he's willing to come back to college.  49MM is HUGE money and an offer to make someone the highest paid football coach anywhere cannot be taken lightly, regarless of the ability of the other side (NFL) to offer more if they want.  I wonder if they will however because if Harbaugh gets more than 8MM/year what's that make the other elite NFL coaches worth?  Do they want to start a coaching arms race - I wonder.

2. It shows every other coach out there (some of whom may not have been contacted yet) just how far we're willing to go to restore the program.  I cannot immagine ANY HC (maybe outside of Saban himself) not telling their agent to make a call to Michigan this morning.  "If he doesnt want that offer - I do" would be something I would expect Hackett to be hearing a LOT today and from coaches we prolly didnt have on our radar just yet.

So far every move Hackett has made has been bang-on perfect in my estimation.  Win or lose on Harbaugh (and if he wants to stay in the NFL or bay area there is nothing he can do about that) he's conducted this search flawlessly IMO up to this point.

 

Danwillhor

December 18th, 2014 at 9:26 AM ^

that from our end I completely agree. For us it shows we're serious and very serious. I agree that Hackett is doing the right thing overall. Above, I pointed out that I think this becoming fact is no good in any way with regard to landing Jim. So, if we don't get Jim I agree that the offer going (seemingly) form rumor to fact is a good thing. For Jim it may force his hand early or risk alienating his alma mater forever should he drag it on only to decline early 2015. If it forces his hand before the NFL season is up, I'd have to guess we turns it down. Yet, OVERALL it is a good thing if you take Jim out of it.