November 21st, 2014 at 10:48 PM ^
November 21st, 2014 at 11:21 PM ^
but I would have taken Lloyd sticking around for 5 more years, in hindsight :(
November 21st, 2014 at 11:36 PM ^
Agree with the 'hindsight' and the ':('.
Would add that we assume he would've kept filing the cupboard for those five years.
November 21st, 2014 at 11:44 PM ^
The difference is that Red is still a recruiting machine. The results on the ice haven't been as expected, but we still have a Top-3 recruiting class for 2015 and 2016.
November 21st, 2014 at 10:50 PM ^
1. Pearson 2. Bennett 3. Bazin There's no reason that it should go past # 3 since our hockey job is probably the best college hockey job in America.
November 21st, 2014 at 11:38 PM ^
Serous Question:
Is that true? Are there not jobs in the Northeast or Minn/Dakotas that are deemed better jobs in the college hockey world?
November 21st, 2014 at 11:45 PM ^
I was also wondering where a debate would go on this. Michigan has a lot more money and a more successful athletic department than Minnesota or BC, but to use one anecdotal example Minnesota is getting student season football tickets sold because they're tying them to hockey season tickets; that idea wouldn't even be proposed at a Dave Brandon "what's the stupidest promotional idea you can come up with" meeting at Michigan and it apparently worked for Minnesota.
I'm definitely not pretending to be a be-all-end-all expert but I'd put Michigan in the top three jobs and leave it at that. In football is Texas really a better job than USC, or vice versa?
November 21st, 2014 at 11:54 PM ^
I would assume so. The only other job I can think of is Minnesota or possibly BC. At Michigan you get facilities, money, the US development team across the street Ontario to recruit etc. Michigan is a step up from Michigan Tech, Union, and Umass Lowell so we have to be able to get one of them to jump. I feel confident that we'd be able to get Pearson or Bennett which I'm not really in regards to our football candidates.
November 22nd, 2014 at 12:14 AM ^
November 22nd, 2014 at 3:39 AM ^
Michigan is a top 5 college hockey coaching destination. I'd definitely put BC, Minnesota, and North Dakota right up at the top, but those places aren't looking for coaches because they're perennial contenders like Michigan used to be. Recently, Michigan is perennially mediocre. The state of Michigan is ripe with hockey talent that is second maybe only to Minnesota. Is it reasonable for a program to have a year where things don't come together and you don't make the tournament? Sure. 2 years? 3 years? Recruiting seems like it should be easy here, but if you start to graduate a bunch of NHL draftees who never even played in the NCAA tournament, I'd understand that top talent not wanting to come here.
November 22nd, 2014 at 10:54 AM ^
Enough with the "This is Michigan" garbage. Norm Bazin isn't leaving his alma mater for Michigan; Rick Bennett is not leaving Union for MIchigan. I know that for a fact.
That's it and there's nothing suggesting that they would leave their programs for any team, you're just pulling their names because they win. Neither of those coaches will even interview for this job.
November 21st, 2014 at 10:51 PM ^
It's still a job. If you're no longer performing you should step down or forced to retire.
November 21st, 2014 at 10:51 PM ^
I'm really not a fan of this trend of putting "discuss" or "go" at the end of posts.
November 21st, 2014 at 11:24 PM ^
November 21st, 2014 at 10:55 PM ^
I don't get why all the hate for this post. It's been known forever that Red is a season or two away from retiring. Why not discuss who you want to take the job?
November 21st, 2014 at 11:03 PM ^
November 21st, 2014 at 11:13 PM ^
Coaching search complete.
November 21st, 2014 at 11:37 PM ^
of Red. I've heard he is a "sacred cow" why is that? It's been over a decade. And the teams have chronically disappointed in the last 10 years.
November 21st, 2014 at 11:52 PM ^
There were a lot of good hockey teams within the last 10 years. The last 5 years however is a different story.
November 22nd, 2014 at 3:52 AM ^
They've been up and down in the last 10. They were an overtime goal from a National Championship 3 years ago and in the Frozen Four 3 years prior to that, so to say that they've been a disappointment for 10 years isn't totally true. They haven't really sustained success, but it's really these few years that are exceptionally bad.
November 22nd, 2014 at 12:16 AM ^
Obviously he's had a great 20+ years, etc etc but he's not an effective coach anymore. We're just wasting talent
November 22nd, 2014 at 2:23 AM ^
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November 22nd, 2014 at 7:14 AM ^
I have always seen this program as filled with kids that care more about their draft stock and ice time than playing for M or winning an NCAA title. I'm not a sold believer in the ADM or NTDP. Seems like the schools out east like BU and BC pull a lot and do fine but not sure these type of kids truly fit Red's coaching style.
November 22nd, 2014 at 12:09 PM ^
November 22nd, 2014 at 10:18 AM ^
November 22nd, 2014 at 10:19 AM ^
Don't be that guy.
November 22nd, 2014 at 10:38 AM ^
November 22nd, 2014 at 11:35 AM ^
Actually, I think that was more insightful than your post.
November 22nd, 2014 at 11:05 AM ^
Timmay I am sorry for ripping you for going against WD in the other threads. I totally see your point now.
WD, son, get some perspective. Red is one of the winningest coaches in D1 hockey history. He single handily brought us back from dark ages of the 70's and 80's with two NC's and several frozen fours. Many programs would kill for that kind of success. Now that the program has some difficulty you are ready create a thread ripping Red.
Yes, perhaps his development and game planning is not reaching the players at the same high quality as it used. Red has maintained, he will step down when it becomes apparent when his leadership is a detriment to the program. Perhaps that time is now.
You are becoming that fan calls for a coaching change after every loss or adversary. We wil cross that bridge when Red steps down. Until then, lighten the hell up.
November 22nd, 2014 at 11:29 AM ^
Check out his Twitter for a real accurate picture of WD.
November 22nd, 2014 at 12:00 PM ^
but Red is basically Hockey Bobby Bowden. Yes, many thanks to him for years and years of incredible success but he's reached the end. I'm not sure if a 'Hockey CC' thread is of any value, but I will be hoping Red sees it as it is and retires after this season
November 22nd, 2014 at 12:15 PM ^
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November 22nd, 2014 at 12:52 PM ^
but I'd argue that tournament run was thanks to Hunwick and the team playing well in front of him, not necessarily Berenson. Those teams were just as lazy in front of the net, constantly leaving Hogan out to dry. When Hunwick came in after Hogan injured his groin, they started actually clearing pucks, etc. They really seemed to just play better in front of Hunwick.
The 09-10 team was going to miss the tournament, entering the CCHA tournament as the 7-seed. A miracle run led by Hunwick took them to the tournament.
The excellent 07-08 freshman class as seniors as well as Hunwick then led the team to the national title game in the 10-11 season. The three subsequent seasons have been crap.
I'd argue that the last truly great class we had was that 07-08 class (Hagelin, Caporusso, Rust, etc) and we've just been mediocre outside of them. This mediocrity is not a new thing.
November 22nd, 2014 at 1:34 PM ^
I think the better route for a CC thread to go is to actually give some viable options for a coach and do some research/post their history. Otherwise, it comes off as a Fire Red thread.
November 22nd, 2014 at 2:13 PM ^
Yep. Give some background why you want a new coach, some candidates and what makes them credible candidates and why they might accept. Not just say this is unacceptable and list three names minutes after a loss.
November 22nd, 2014 at 3:33 PM ^
No other poster has ever listed a viable option on this board outside of Mel Pearson.
Every other coach mentioned fits into the profile of, "This coach won a bunch of games and Michigan is a top job so he'll come here."