The Vibe on Today's WTKA
November 10th, 2014 at 10:29 AM ^
If a Harbaugh commitment is contingent on him getting a say in the next AD, then I'm totally fine with Hackett hiring a head coach and finding an AD later.
November 10th, 2014 at 11:00 AM ^
Harbaugh!!!!
November 10th, 2014 at 10:34 AM ^
...not having an AD in place first would be a colossal mistake, but that's because I question whether Michigan would let the new coach help pick the AD. But maybe Michigan would do that, in which case I think it's fine.
November 10th, 2014 at 10:39 AM ^
It's probably not a stretch to think that it's only fans who want Jim Harbaugh to coach Michigan. If one of Jim's preconditions is that he gets a say in the selection of the AD, I'm sure that's weighing heavily in the search process.
November 10th, 2014 at 10:57 AM ^
Perhaps, but if it is the case that there is not a "permanent" AD in place when it comes to make the hire, I would hope that Schlissel would be closely involved with the hire the way MSC was. Especially since his values seem to align quite closely with Harbaugh's.
November 10th, 2014 at 12:34 PM ^
If Hackett already has a deal in the works with a coach such as Harbaugh, there is no pressure to hire a permanent AD right away. But if this job is going to go to market and nobody really great has contacted Hackett under the radar, it would be much more difficult to sell the job to other candidates, especially "outsiders."
I am hoping that Hackett has already reached out to a few agents, has a tentative deal with someone and has managed to keep it all under the table.
November 10th, 2014 at 11:12 AM ^
Maybe I'm being a bit naive, but once a coach is picked and the financial arrangements are worked out for him and his assistants, I'm not sure just how much impact a new AD would have unless the AD were to want to go cheap on hiring of future staff.
DB's approach of micromanaging, or at the very least participating in meetings, is not typical.
November 10th, 2014 at 11:33 AM ^
...a guy will want to know who he's going to work for. There are a lot of ways an AD and a coach might not mesh even if that AD isn't a micromanager.
November 10th, 2014 at 10:38 AM ^
November 10th, 2014 at 10:41 AM ^
for that update.
November 10th, 2014 at 11:29 AM ^
Can you Raback that or at the least give it a BK Finest?
November 10th, 2014 at 10:39 AM ^
I think it'd only work if the new coach would have a say so in who the next AD will be. I cant imagine a guy like Stoops or Harbaugh will be interested in coaching here not knowing who the AD is going to be, especially if they have no say so in it.
November 10th, 2014 at 10:47 AM ^
hackett and harbaugh know each outher real well. i been told
November 10th, 2014 at 11:07 AM ^
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November 10th, 2014 at 11:10 AM ^
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November 10th, 2014 at 11:43 AM ^
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November 10th, 2014 at 3:14 PM ^
I think we can expect any big time coach to want input into the next hire. How that will manifest itself will depend on the timeline for hiring that AD. The one thing I don't think we'll see is the new coach getting to name his boss..
November 10th, 2014 at 10:40 AM ^
Paragraph breaks are great.
November 10th, 2014 at 10:58 AM ^
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November 10th, 2014 at 1:02 PM ^
Well.
Said.
November 10th, 2014 at 10:41 AM ^
November 10th, 2014 at 10:44 AM ^
I would never argue with a man with 1030346 MGoPoints
November 10th, 2014 at 10:44 AM ^
he deserves the job and be the permenent AD.
November 10th, 2014 at 10:50 AM ^
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November 10th, 2014 at 10:51 AM ^
November 10th, 2014 at 1:02 PM ^
"I'm back now, but I won't be the same poster that I was before"
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November 10th, 2014 at 10:43 AM ^
If we are going to swing for the fences and go for Harbaugh as plan A, and Miles or Stoops level coaches as plan B, what is it that that all of these guys - and pretty much every head coach has in common? If you said a huge ego and desire for as much control as possible, you got it right.
In terms of attracting a top coach, it might be a selling point for Hacket to be able to tell coaching prospects that they will have a role in selecting the permanent AD. Now, there is a difference between offering a role in the process and letting them go out and hire their own boss.
Keep in mind that John Beilein - sage wiseman of M coaches (no sarcasm intended) - has already expressed a desire to be on the committee. I think that the best move would be to offer the new coach the same involvement along with "veto power" over any AD prospect. So, while Harbaugh (for example) would not be able to just go out and select the AD, he would have the comfort in knowing that he would not be forced to work for someone he dislikes, as he can veto that person. Beilein should be given the same veto power.
Doing it this way might actually turn the AD flux into a benefit for Michigan.
November 10th, 2014 at 7:42 PM ^
Yes, the football coach is not going to just pick the AD in a vaccuum. Beilein and others will have a say as well. The Michigan AD is not just the football AD. Not here.
November 10th, 2014 at 10:49 AM ^
I blasted Sam and Ira last week when they threw out the "UM won't pay Harbaugh" bullshoot. If you want to listen, here's how it goes:
1. Hackett fires Hoke within 3 days of the Ohio St game win or lose. This is a done deal;
2. Hackett continues to backchannel Plan B;
3. Once 49ers are eliminated, Hackett makes the ask on Plan A;
4. If Jim wants to stay in NFL, he stays. Plan B then executed;
5. New Coach hired by Christmas;
6. Permanent AD hired at end of Spring term.
November 10th, 2014 at 11:02 AM ^
The 49er's are definitely in the mix for a playoff spot and the season doesn't end until 12/28. I don't think that Harbaugh can be hired by Christmas......and Plan B won't be implemented until Harbaugh is crossed off the list.
November 10th, 2014 at 11:09 AM ^
November 10th, 2014 at 12:45 PM ^
November 10th, 2014 at 3:45 PM ^
fair enough. I should have said "around" Christmas not "by" Christmas.
November 10th, 2014 at 11:14 AM ^
1) whomever Plan B is is going to know he's Plan B. He may not be a Harbaugh level guy, but he's still going to be a major player in CFB and have a major ego. He will not likely put up with being strung along while Harbaugh's life and decisions dictate whether he'll be offered a job.
2) I would hope JH would be willing to talk to M anytime so long as it was very confidential (likely through his old man). JH will know the importance of at least an informal yes/no so Plan B's can be identified and negotiated with. I would guess Hackett or another AD will be 90% sure of Harbaugh's decision one way or another by the OSU game.
November 10th, 2014 at 2:14 PM ^
first week of January and will be too busy to worry about whether they're "plan B" or not. Miles and Stoops will probably be in New Year's Six bowl games and Mullen may make the championship game.
By the time those guys are done, Hackett could approach them all as if they were "plan A" and if they ask about the "real" plan A Harbaugh, Hackett could just say ... uh, in case you haven't heard, he's the Bears/Dolphins/Jets' new coach. Not sure why you're asking."
November 10th, 2014 at 7:49 PM ^
If Jim Harbaugh is coming to Michigan, he's already made that decision.
It does not matter what the 49ers do. The rest is just working out logisitcs behind closed doors while other stuff is going on.
If he's not coming, he's already made that decision too. His conversations with Michgian will be brief and over quickly.
If there needs to be a Plan B, Michigan will be able to get to it very quickly.
November 11th, 2014 at 10:00 PM ^
Plan A can be handled behind closed doors, quickly, and without any public disclosure.
If the JH in that video posted on the board a while back still exists, he will come and that will be known by Hackett quickly after the OSU game.
If the NFL still holds his heart, Hackett should know his plan B options in detail.
This is time, more than ever, for a big boy coaching search.
November 10th, 2014 at 1:10 PM ^
November 10th, 2014 at 10:54 AM ^
The timing depends on the coach. If there's an opportunity to hire Harbaugh (or Stoops or someone else at that level), you hire him and figure that if the future AD has a problem with that, he's too crazy to be AD anyway. You can't hire anyone beneath the "dream candidate" list without the new AD being involved. The dynamics would be too weird and messy if we hired an AD who stepped into a situation in which Todd Graham or Tom Herman or someone had just been hired.
November 10th, 2014 at 10:58 AM ^
...you want an experienced AD to make the choice if you're picking among the second tier candidates, because Hackett has no experience finding a coach.
November 10th, 2014 at 10:54 AM ^
November 10th, 2014 at 10:59 AM ^
if all (or a decent subset) of the coaches could meet 2-3 AD finalists and voice their opinion. I'm sure guys like Red and Beilein are good evaluators of people and can make a decision that is best for the University over a bunch of corporate guys/ an AD who has never hired a coach before.
November 10th, 2014 at 11:10 AM ^
old coach fired does not necessarily need to imply that a new coach hire is imminent. Whatever the AD status, sending the clear signal ASAP that Michigan is getting a new coach is the necessary way to go in order to retain recruits, let fans know M is getting its house in order and staking out a high-profile search. These guys can help rebuild Michigan's prestige by doing this right.
As a sidenote, I think a good scenario might see us squeaking by MD so that we have a bowl and a certain amount of (however illusory) pride in getting to the postseason, that bit more opportunity for development, etc. The bowl announcers can be building the anticipation if things are being guided well, and that too can be part of the rebuilding process. Who knows, sometimes the knew coach is upstairs or being interviewed. . .
Getting killed in the bowl would NOT be a great look for us, but I would be curious to see how DG played if he had his wheels back.
November 10th, 2014 at 11:00 AM ^
cheney was in charge of finding bush's VP - he picked the best choice he could find - himself!
I think hackett could stay on as AD for 18-24 months then get a new guy. It could take years to unwind the changes DB made - if we even want to reduce overall revenue
as far as the coach is concerned, I personally am not in love with the idea of a coach having more power than his immediate boss (the AD). There has to be a clear chain of command and accountability.
Having said that, I fully understand that any UofM coach who wins Rose Bowls and even a NC is a god and any AD would have less power than him.
November 10th, 2014 at 11:04 AM ^
Other than that I want the new guy (gal?) as far from the spotlight as possible. Our new head coach's job will be to win games and do it without the SEC sleaze. Tough job. He won't need the AD breathing down his neck.
November 10th, 2014 at 11:17 AM ^
it is a lot easier said than done
JoePa couldn't be fired ( this is the Godwins law for NCAA FB )
November 10th, 2014 at 2:16 PM ^
Ohio State and Alabama have more "power" than Meyer or Saban? Or Hollis has more "power" than Izzo? Seriously, what is "power"?
November 10th, 2014 at 4:19 PM ^
Welp - No Politics and all that, but fergodsakes you just mentioned Hackett & Dick Cheney in the same thought balloon. This was supposed to ba an OPTIMISTIC thread!!!
November 10th, 2014 at 11:00 AM ^
I think if we want Harbaugh (I don't think Brandon ever made a good-faith offer last time around) we need a list of AD names from Harbaugh he would be comfortable with. Contact could be made though Jack Harbaugh or anyone else around the program JH remains close to. This would also serve to gauge JH's interest (if any). Ideally the two hires are made almost simultaneously and at least a few weeks prior to NSD.