Durham Blue

February 11th, 2024 at 2:03 AM ^

Clink and Elston probably believe that time spent in the NFL as a position coach improves your chances of elevating your career to DC or higher, in college or the even the NFL.  Look no further than Mike MacDonald and Jesse Minter for examples.  Both were former position coaches in the NFL prior to getting DC jobs.  MacDonald was a DB and LB position coach with the Ravens before his DC gig at Michigan.  Minter was a DB position coach with the Ravens before his DC gig at Vandy.

There is precedent.

LB

February 10th, 2024 at 10:37 AM ^

You summed up everything with 2 words.

1 - They were Harbaugh's staff, not Michigan's

2 - Compete, I think that once the dust settles Harbaugh will be the gift that keeps giving except when it comes to competition. His default mode is to compete. I'm not sure his mother would be safe.

Moore has to build his staff. On the plus side, he doesn't have to sell his staff by showing them the nail that Yost hung his jacket on.

One of the best universities in the world

One of the best cities in the US

World Class facilities

Coming off a Natiional Championship win

If Michigan can't attract coaches the problem has nothing to do with J. J. Harbaugh.

Wendyk5

February 10th, 2024 at 11:06 AM ^

They were Harbaugh's staff and not Michigan's? So Harbaugh was the kind of mercenary we accuse Ohio State of having? A guy connected to the university only through a paycheck? If so, then he's doing exactly what would be expected. But I was under the impression that he loved Michigan and had a deeper connection than that. 

LB

February 10th, 2024 at 11:48 AM ^

On the plus side, Harbaugh isn't as vindictive as I am. If Warde had publicly shamed me the way he did Harbaugh, after I won the championship I'd have waited until the last minute, taken the entire staff, then tracked down the nail Yost hung his jacket from and taken that too.

Harbaugh left everyone's choice for HC and the AD who has done such a fine job that he is probably going to be extended. They are both well compensated, time to get to work.

Harbaugh's job is winning for the Chargers. He is going to attack that with his usual enthusiasm.  He is going to compete with Michigan for the coaches he wants, not extend charity. 

The Oracle 2

February 10th, 2024 at 11:57 AM ^

So you think a guy who grew up with Michigan football, played at Michigan, and brought a National Championship to Michigan doesn’t love Michigan? I’m pretty sure his connection to and love for Michigan football runs deeper than yours. The NFL is football at the highest level. It’s also pure football, without having to worry about players going classes or kissing teenagers’ asses during now never ending recruiting. Harbaugh is rewarding the hard work and success of coaches from the staff he assembled by offering them jobs at the highest level. Michigan doesn’t own those coaches and Harbaugh shouldn’t be required to forego offering those opportunities to men who have earned them to throw some charity Michigan’s way. Moore wanted the top job and got it. Building a staff is part of the job. He needs to sink or swim on his own. Hopefully, he agrees and isn’t looking at himself as the victim you seem to think he is.

Wendyk5

February 10th, 2024 at 12:14 PM ^

With all due respect, you actually don't know how Harbaugh feels about Michigan or Michigan football. Maybe he's not capable of having the same kind of loyalty-based connection that others have. Is that wrong or bad? No. But many saw Harbaugh as way more than just the coach of the team, and maybe that was wishful thinking. 

The Oracle 2

February 10th, 2024 at 3:21 PM ^

There is always turnover on college coaching staffs, especially when the Head Coach leaves. Assistants are almost always looking to move up. If Harbaugh “destroyed” Michigan by taking some of the assistants he hired with him, what does that say about Michigan? And if Moore had made a different choice for DC, he could’ve kept Elston and/or Clinkscale. That was Moore’s decision.

JonnyHintz

February 10th, 2024 at 10:42 AM ^

Because it’s not a money thing. Take money out of the equation for a moment. 
 

College football is a 365 day a year job. Imagine being a coach and in addition to your on-field coaching duties, you’re spending a significant amount of your time texting, calling, and emailing 16-17 year old kids, their coaches, and their parents. You’re constantly spending your “free” time on the road. Either visiting prospects, working camps, or watching high school games. 
 

Now, what if you were offered a job with equal pay where you have to do NONE of that extra stuff, and you’re solely expected to coach your position? You don’t have to recruit your roster, the GM does that. Not to mention being a defensive backs coach in the NFL being more prestigious and leading to better future career opportunities than holding the same position in college. 
 

It’s a scenario every college coach would gladly take. Especially with the way NIL and the transfer portal have created the need to re-recruit your own roster every year in addition to high schoolers and transfers.
 

It’s silly to sit there and say it’s because “Michigan is cheap.” The fact is, the NFL is simply a better job than holding the same position at Michigan, or any college for that matter. 

lhglrkwg

February 10th, 2024 at 12:25 PM ^

Yup. Your ‘hourly pay’ and work life balance are way better in the NFL and these guys clearly don’t mind working for Jim. It sucks but its like saying “I cant believe Bill took a job making $75k a year at 40 hours a week when I was offering him $80k to work 80 hours a week”. It stops being about money at some point, especially when you’re as rich as these guys

evenyoubrutus

February 10th, 2024 at 11:27 AM ^

I get the joke, but hopefully it was self evident from my phrasing that I would assume a well connected coach like Harbaugh would be able to find plenty of NFL caliber coaches around the NFL who are more qualified than guys whom we were told were college lifers and wouldn't be a good fit in the NFL anyway.

Don

February 10th, 2024 at 12:43 PM ^

"It works both ways."

Bingo.

When he was hired at Stanford, he positioned himself as somebody whose first love was always Stanford—this is what he said at his introductory press conference in Palo Alto:

"I used to stare down at that field as I was stenciling those numbers," Harbaugh told reporters, athletes and others who crowded into the Arrillaga Family Sports Center's Kissick Auditorium. "I so very badly wanted to go to Stanford and play for the Cardinal. … This was my number-one choice all along."

Jim Harbaugh's #1 priority has always been where Jim Harbaugh works (it's part of the reason he's an outstanding coach), but he knows what to say to people to get them to believe they'll always be #1 in his heart. He's very canny at marketing himself.

those.who.stay.

February 10th, 2024 at 1:06 PM ^

Pretty cynical take, no? Harbaugh is a complicated man. When you're as insanely competitive as he is, it must eclipse your entire perception and vocabulary. I think he can say those things and mean them honestly and at the same time truly not be beholden to anyone other than himself and his family. He's strange, we're lucky he came to Michigan at all. He made us functional. Time for us to see if we can maintain it.

Ernis

February 10th, 2024 at 12:43 PM ^

Where a lot of the tension comes from is, yeah you’re right, from a spiritually bankrupt perspective. There is nothing more moral or right than enriching equity holders. Jim’s job is to make his team’s owners the most money now. That’s true.

But the tension comes from a contradiction in things he said before. Things like love, brotherhood, loyalty - these values transcend petty profit motive. And we as fans are now seeing how empty those words are when he used them. That is the betrayal. It’s not his job to ensure Moore succeeds, but he is setting the man up for failure unnecessarily. It stings. People are feeling this.

brad

February 10th, 2024 at 10:23 AM ^

We should expect Harbaugh to go 100% toward what he thinks will win wherever he is today.  When that was here, he went 100% for Michigan, and now it's 0% for Michigan.  If we thought Harbaugh would do anything to benefit the program after leaving, that was just a mistake.  He's not working against Michigan now, he just finds Michigan irrelevant to the success of the Chargers and at the same time doesn't have any feelings about it.  Expecting Harbaugh to function based on feelings, even about Michigan, is misguided.

So hate him if you choose to, but there is no point.  Michigan has to stand up and make its program without Harbaugh, and I would suggest we've been very passive in doing so.  Sherrone and Warde have the responsibility to maintain and build the program, they both need to do it with a similar sense of urgency that Harbaugh clearly has, and had when he was here.

BlueTimesTwo

February 10th, 2024 at 11:30 AM ^

To be fair, he wasn’t even 100% for Michigan when he was here, since he interviewed with the NFL multiple times, knowing it makes recruiting tougher on his staff.  Sure, we got over the hump this year, but he probably could have stocked the cupboard even deeper if he didn’t have the wandering eye.

Harbaugh is 100% for himself.  It is what it is, and if you can align his self-interest with your interests, he can do great things for you.  But we shouldn’t have expected loyalty.

maizenbluenc

February 10th, 2024 at 11:41 AM ^

Yeah - I don’t know how much of the foot dragging is the posted for 7 days thing, but it sure feels like we are not moving with the cache of being the reigning national champions. It’s almost like we hired a young guy with no experience as a head coach and expect him to be able to completely rebuild a championship level staff quickly and effectively.

This has become not a Bo-Mo-Lloyd transition with coaching staff and culture intact. Moore is now rebuilding.