Another day, another OSU recruiting success story
For those of you scoring at home, that's 4 of the top 14 receivers in the class (1,7,8,14).
How is Auburn better than Michigan? Auburn has not had a season where they've lost less than 4 games since 2013 yet in that time they have two wins against Alabama. You want to make excuses and don't even bother to use factual information.
Exactly, the Harbaugh apologists are out.
They aren't better than us.
Nitpicking those two Auburn wins against Alabama. The Tide lost 4 games one of those years and had to play their back up quarterback the other year...that was a shootout which Auburn won 48-45.
Trouble is, if we play against OSU's backup quarterback, he still shreds us. Bama's backup quarterback shredded Auburn's defense but they still lost that shootout game. We not only need a good QB, we need the defense to have AT LEAST a C- game against OSU...and as we've learned, that never happens outside 2016.
And Bama backup QB happen to have his 1st start against Auburn. He shredded Michigan defense in the Citrus Bowl game. That game jumpstarted Mac Jones season into being a 1st round pick the next year.
Also I think you are missing my point. It doesn’t mean you don’t try to win the game but it means you adjust your recruiting strategy.
Trying to recruit nationally right now to compete with Ohio State is failing miserably leading to 3 stars from New England and a major talent gap.
Changing the recruiting to locking down Michigan and taking Ohio States leftovers in Ohio should make you more talented then anyone besides Ohio State in the conference. Yes you aren’t likely to beat Ohio State with the leftovers but you are very likely to beat everyone else. An 11-1 Michigan season with a playoff appearance would do a ton to change the outlook on the season.
I didn't miss any point of yours.
You said beating OSU should not be the goal of Michigan right now. Verbatim.
I strongly disagree with that sentiment.
I am sure our current and any future coaches would as well. Thankfully.
You actually just proved that you did since you want to continue to recruit on a national stage in order to beat Ohio State. Enjoy going 7-5 and 8-4 because the national strategy is causing Michigan to fall behind other Big Ten Schools not just Ohio State.
Point to where in any of my posts I said anything about recruiting nationally or what the strategy should be.
Hello?
We sure this isn't an undercover Buckeye poster..
I never make that accusation but you just took a nose dive off the deep end with that last reply.
Are you this inept at life or just understanding football posts? My point in regards to concentrating on beating everyone else but Ohio State was in regards to recruiting. It didn’t mean just forfeit the game and anyone with an ounce of intelligence could have understood that. The entire post was about quit trying to beat Ohio state by recruiting nationally and to concentrate on beating everyone else. So if your comment wasn’t encompassing the recruiting aspect then yes you were to ignorant to understand the post.
I really agree with this take. Focus on getting into the expanded playoff field. Beating OSU would be the sweetest icing on the cake for sure, but if we get to the playoff as B1G #2 then at least we have a shot at the ultimate prize and another thing of value to sell to recruits. The issue is not being able to beat OSU in light of the 12 team playoff going forward. The issue will be to consistently beat the rest of the B1G and locking down 2nd place and earning the invitation to the playoff. Do the latter and we can reap rewards with better recruiting.
Baby steps...
We need to suck it up and kick their 4 and 5 star asses on the football field.
GO BLUE!
The most incredible thing is that this kid from Georgia is going to be brainwashed and absolutely HATE Michigan within about a week of arriving at the football facility (note I did not say arrive on campus). I have said for the past ten years that the most impressive thing is how the program keeps convincing these kids they should hate Michigan when a) it's mostly not OH kids they recruit these days and b) these kids have never seen OSU lose to Michigan. The ability to manufacture hate on a massive scale through force of will and culture never ceases to amaze me. It's why they never play down to our level and why we'll never have a "Purdue moment" against them.
You're right... it's a cultural difference. It amazing how long it took Harbaugh to install OSU-specific signage inside the UM athletic center.. five, six years? It seems like some segment of UM fans have just accepted losing to their rival as a given, and the team (at times) seems like they have already conceded the game before it's even played.. which is a surefire way to lose.
The OSU program instills instant hate for UM, along with a healthy respect... it's simply not "OK" to ever lose to Michigan. I was nervous when Harbaugh was hired, but he hasn't seemed to "get it" the way I thought he would, thus the lack of progress in evening the recent rivalry. It's pretty surprising given his history as a player in The Game, and having played for Bo.. who definitely "got it".
I don't believe that they respect Michigan. Hence the threats to "hang 100" on us, treating us like shit when a UM fan even enters the state, let alone their stadium (God forbid), the little childish games about crossing out the "M" on signs, not speaking the name of the school instead using TTUN. That's not respect. It's pathological. GTFOH.
Don't forget the head coach calling our football player/student athletes "those ass holes". Such respect....would hate to see what disrespect is?
Respect for "The Rivalry".. and, "The Game"... you can respect the hell out of someone and still not like them, they're not mutually exclusive.
As for "hanging a hundred on them".. wasn't that a response from Day to a Harbaugh comment on a B1G conference call , if my memory serves? Color me shocked rival coaches are going to talk shit to one another... UM does it all the time with, "Ohio" and "Little Brother". Also.. much hated coach Urban Meyer called for taking a knee deep in UM territory in 2018, up 62-39.. he could have gone for 69 (nice)... but didn't. There is def respect there.. you just don't see it because you're looking at the final score.
Good job, you believe your own bs.
It’s not as one-sided as that. Everyone remembers Mike Hart giving them bulletin board material for years, or talking up the Revenge Tour in 2018, etc. Even dropping the word ‘State’ when saying ‘Beat Ohio’ is the same mentality as saying ‘TTUN.’
Don't you buckeye fans have your own board somewhere?
JH had the “hang a hundred on ‘em” comment coming to him based on the BS rules violation he brought up. The thing is they probably would have made it a reality had the game been played last year with Fields at QB and the WR room Hartline has assembled, not to mention that stud RB transfer from OU; I mean look what they did to a pretty good Clemson team. I think OSU absolutely respects us which is why they take preparation for ‘the game’ so seriously. To win we have to prepare 364 and play lights out on day 365, nothing else will make a difference.
....but don't you worry, a good chunk of our fan base wants to keep him forever and never wants a coaching change because he is the best we can ever get. A type of Stockholm syndrome has become deeply ingrained here. Sad.
Like a new coach is going to do so much better! Not a chance. The talent level is just too great. Harbaugh is a very good coach and if he could have been hired before RR we may not have been in this situation. Also the 4 team playoffs have just made things worse for us. Too bad the 3 teams could not be Alabama, Clemson and USC instead of OSU.
I keep seeing "eloped here" in that graphic instead of developed here. Looks like a gaudy wedding announcement.
I guess the bright side of this would be that most of their top offensive recruits are all wr’s or skilled position players. I would much rather they sign four top 150 wr’s than four top 150 offensive lineman. A dominant line can make an average RB look good and give any receiver enough time to get open. - The bad news is OSU always seems to have a really good offensive line. Right now they only have one offensive lineman committed. He’s a top 200 guy, but rated lower than all four of their receivers. - It’s a good thing our DL recruiting is going really well and we’ll be able to exploit them in a couple of years.
Ohio State's current OT targets in 2022 are Zach Rice (#1 OT, #5 OVR), Kam Dewberry (#10, #101), Aamil Wagner (#11, #110), and still pursuing Kiyaunta Goodwin who is committed to Kentucky (#6, #53). Recruiting insiders right now feel like Dewberry and Wagner are the most likely to be in the class. The only Interior line target right now is Earnest Greene, who is ranked #2 IOL, #57 OVR. While there have been some high profile misses in OL recruiting recently, it should still be one of the best units in the country.
“I would much rather they sign four top 150 wr’s than four top 150 offensive lineman.”
Good thing you aren’t a football coach.
Can we get Zack Smith to come back and coach there? Geez how many times can a program keep falling up after their scandals….
Coaching resources. Even if they didn't have Day, they'd have their pick of Fickell, Campbell, and Vrabel.
....only if we get him his own Amazon Prime account.
As hopeless as I felt about OSU back in 2014, I would have never guessed that after 6 years of JIM MF HARBAUGH, we would be even further removed and away from beating OSU. I mean shit, as incompetent and stubborn as Hoke was, at least his teams always got up for OSU and made it a game. Now it's just a hopeless exercise in futility, and I don't see it changing in the foreseeable future, barring something completely catastrophic for OSU (like, death penalty or worse).
At this point, I'd be content with eeking out a win against them once in every 5 or so tries like Auburn somehow manages to do against Bama.
Actually I could see this coming together with a 4 team playoff and Urban going to OSU. Jim did his best but years of poor coaching and recruiting hurt the Michigan brand. We will just have to be happy with 8-4 seasons with an occasional 10 win season. The only hope we have the expansion of the playoffs to 12 teams. This will eventually break down the juggernaut of Alabama-Clemson-OSU.
That WR room is pretty crowded with 4*& 5*. They need to stay in Caleb Brown’s ear about that! More opportunity up north.
You really think a player would leave Ohio State for Michigan?
To be a starter? I do.
Except making the playoffs as a backup does way more for recruits' NFL draft prospects than being the starter at a non-playoff team. Hence why recruiting is as lopsided as it is in the playoff era.
I could not disagree more. Playing time gives you development as a player provides film against competition that is also scouted thoroughly. You become known, tested, and ranked.
Your intuition, while logical, does not hold up against what players are actually doing. I'll trust the primary sources more on this topic.
Michigan having a loaded recruiting class apparently doesn't seem to matter either because Harbaugh and co are completely incapable of developing them and utilizing them correctly to their advantage.
success breeds success. stinking breeds.....well
The talent gap is growing. The coaching gap is large too.
I still don’t think we’re coming to terms with how bad we were in 2020. 2-4 and would have been 3-6 ar best if we had played all the games.
I maintained that not playing OSU last season saved Harbaugh's job because Ryan Day would've made sure that he'll deliver on his promise of putting 100 on Michigan and they probably would if the break goes their way. OSU would've won 75-14 or something like it and that's a conservative estimate.
I agree. It would have been a 50 point plus beat down and Harbaugh would have been fired. And then after the season we made some very odd staff moves. I just think the writing is on the wall, the extension meant nothing, Harbaugh has 1 year to earn it. 6-6 or worse and he’s gone.
My inner conspiracy-theorist wants to think Harbaugh and Warde conspired to avoid the 100-0 drubbing that was all but assured.
Yeah, I think as long as Michigan is above .500 this year we'll see the same staff back next year. The last thing Warde wants to have to do is fire his former-teammate and conduct a new coaching search. Harbaugh might be a lifer unless he totally shits the bed another season.
OSU needs 8 more victories to flip the rivalry. I fully expect them to get 8 more victories in the next 8 matchups. They’ll also probably pull in front in all-time wins within the next 10-15 years - as they only need 34 wins to do that heading into this coming season.
At this point, they are so far beyond Michigan in everything related to running a successful team it’s laughable to envision more than one victory per decade. This is a rivalry in name only.
Michigan should look to move the game into the middle of the season and replace the last game of the season with MSU. Call it loser’s mentality or whatever you want, but at least the team will stop always ending the season with 2 miserable losses (OSU+Bowl Game) leaving a disgusting taste in the fanbase’s mouth every season.
Is it basketball season yet?
Growing up in the Cooper era, I thought OSU would never catch UM in overall record. But yeah they are catching , passing UM and never looking back.
UM losing the all-time wins in football would be fine with me. Maybe it would force Michigan to look at the present and the future and not the past. Michigan will have to write a new script since they can't remind everyone that they have the most wins in college football. Muscle memory will still make them I suspect.
After the 1997 season I would have doubled over laughing at any suggestion of them taking over the series lead. Now it's not so funny and a reality. I still hate Tressel worse than any other Buckeye in history. He started all this shit
While I understand hating Tressel, IMHO, think it is more appropriate to "hate" the coaches that were unsuccessful. He is just doing his job better than our coaches did.