Race Relations in the Varrio - Race, Cops, and a Practical Suggestion or Two

Submitted by xtramelanin on June 6th, 2020 at 9:02 PM

Mates,

Taking a cue from the Covid diary which was informative, I will try to do the same here, but about the issue of police, racism and brutality.   I worked in law enforcement in Socal for over a decade before coming back home to Michigan.  A substantial amount of my time was dedicated to gang enforcement and included running a task force with a Lt, 2 sergeants and 20 investigators from various agencies.  For years my cases were gang homicides, drive-by shootings, beatings, stabbings, tortures, etc.  How many bodies do you want, how do you want them killed, and I probably have a true-life story that fits.

It is a sad fact that there are racist, brutal, dishonest cops.  There are also racist, brutal, dishonest coaches.   And grocery store clerks.  And judges, and bloggers, and stockbrokers, and teachers, and you get the picture.  The problem with police officers is that their occupation makes them uniquely capable of adversely affecting or ending someone’s life in the process.  We see the fruits of that from time to time, but right now it is front and center.

Beyond racism is the fact that there are bad cops (and fill in every other profession) who lie, cheat, agitate and put everybody in their circle in danger.   It is the human condition, and until the second coming the world will have those people.  I want to look into what cops do, the environment they work in, and maybe an idea or two about making things better.

I. Race Relations in the Varrio

In a word, race relations in the varrio can be complex.   Your typical gang usually comes from a particular neighborhood and reflects the ethnicity of that neighborhood.  Most gangs are of a single shade of melanin (or lack thereof), though some other melanin combinations are occasionally mixed in.   To the extent that these folks go to the joint (state prison) then they will segregate themselves to a severe degree by racial lines. Painting with a broad brush here, but in the joint the most common troubles are between brown and black factions.   And if there is a big dust-up, usually the brown and white gangs will align.   YMMV. 

In the streets the gang warfare is usually by neighborhood and that means, frequently, by race.  However, the vast majority of the crimes will be inflicted on groups who have the same melanin content as the perpetrator.   Of course, you have some cross-racial disputes that can be very, very bitter and lethal.  As an aside, even though the black and brown gangsters were physically more imposing and more numerous, the Asian gangsters were not messed with as much as one might think as they were, candidly, more intelligent and better armed.   I don’t have time/space to talk about bikers and skinheads. 

 II. Cops in the Varrio + Some Examples

One of the things about police work is that it is different than literally any other occupation.  It demands skills that span from social worker to soldier and everything in between.   Beyond that, working in your worst urban neighborhoods is vastly different than working (or living) in swanky suburbs like Bloomfield Hills, Shaker Heights, or Evanston.  The mentality of those you meet in the streets, the level of danger and of chaos, is so much different than what most people will ever experience in their lives that its kind of hard to explain.  I’m going to try with a few stories, some I tell when asked to talk on the topic but I’m doing my best to abbreviate them here.

  1.  K.R. and the Gangster Bar

One of my all-time favorite peace officers was a guy I’ll designate as K.R. KR was Hispanic and worked in the same city that he grew up in, though things had changed a lot.  He was as smart, gracious, and honest of a person as you would ever hope to meet in any occupation.  He was a gifted investigator with a knack of getting people to talk with him and also had an uncanny providence to have major crime happen right in front of his eyes – like shootings over the top of his car.  One night he and ‘Juice’ (NTJ) went into a gangster bar that was a cross between the Star Wars bar and the scene out of Animal House (“Hey, Otis!”).    They are looking for a guy who has a warrant.  They find him, and when he goes to stand up they see he has a gun.  At this point Juice broadcasts on the radio, “10-33”, which means ‘emergency radio traffic only’ – basically every law enforcement agency immediately shut up, no radio transmissions.   There is quiet ‘hiss’ of silence and then you hear Juice yell in rapid succession, “9-9-7!  9-9-7!’.   In the background of that call is an unholy roar.  The 9-9-7 call means, in essence, ‘We are dying. If you hear this call get here Code-3, lights and sirens, right now, we are dying’.   KR and Juice were literally being attacked by a bar-full of gangsters.  They were taking bottles, chairs, punches, kicks, and everything else.  The guy that KR was trying to get the gun from was going for KR’s gun and KR was getting hit so hard he was losing consciousness.  There’s lots more to the story, but the calvary arrived, K.R. lived and was taken to the hospital, and yeah, there were some bodies laid out.

  1.  Execution on the Highway

One of the last warrants I filed before I left was for a gangster that murdered a CHP officer on a vehicle stop.  Pulled over at about 0300 hrs for speeding, the gangster who was driving put his gun under his left arm pit, and as the CHP approached the vehicle the gangster shot him, with the bullet going under the officer’s Kevlar vest.  The gangster then got out, put the gun to the forehead of the wounded officer, and pulled the trigger.

  1.  Parolees in Paradise

Dealing with parolees is its own joy.  Understanding that I’m painting with a broad brush, the psychology of felons is really hard to describe without writing a book.  The thing most likely to be missing is logic and self-control.  However, at least in my day, there were some honest cons (slang for convicts, having been to the joint).  We went to hook one up one evening and there was a regular beat officer who rolled back-up to transport the arrestee.  The parolee was calm the whole time until the transport officer was getting involved.  The con called one of our guys over and asked that we take the cuffs off of him so he could kick that transport officer’s tail.  The con was getting $^t-talked by that other cop for no good reason.   The Sgt pulled that cop aside and he got a talking to, and we were sorely tempted to take the cuffs off.  In retrospect, that’s the type of cop that is trouble.  That’s the guy that is going to agitate, cause trouble, and resort to force too soon.  

Outside of Rodney King’s evening back in ’91, I really didn’t see what most would call brutality.  And to parse the King matter more closely than most like to, the use of force was justified at the start of that rodeo.   As providence would have it, Rodney’s next arrest came across my desk a couple years later.  Talk about a hot potato.

III. Some Suggestions – And What About Jerk Cops

Having sons, and with xtramelanin in our household, you know I’ve had ‘the talk’ with them.  That talk is given more than once and with greater specificity as they get older.   There is a heightened alert for many cops when pulling over people of color.   The race issue gets wrapped up with the safety issue and whether the cop is a jerk issue.  Remember too, the first rule of law enforcement is go home at the end of your shift which means to be alive at the end of your shift.  I will add that I have been to too many ‘cop’ funerals, guys I knew.   There is something that pulls at your heart beyond the normal funeral.   Anyway, a couple of suggestions. 

  1.  Body cams.  Body cams.  Body cams.

As simple as it sounds it is beyond belief how many problems this one provision solves.  No longer having a swearing contest.  No longer guessing who said what and when.  Certainty as to how much time a given activity took, what the witness or arrestee did, the route a chase took, etc.  They aren’t perfect but I have to tell you this one simple idea will solve about 99% of the issues in terms of what happened and who gets held accountable for what.  

Police officers train on the proper techniques to use force and to arrest.  More training isn’t a bad idea, but ultimately knowing that someone will be held accountable is the trump card of behavior modification.  I would add that Detroit PD is notorious for ‘losing’ the downloads of video from their scout cars.   That is what corruption looks like, more benign than a fight or a riot, but the effects can be horrendous. 

  1.  What To Do If You’re Pulled Over

I imagine every set of eyes that sees this has been pulled over, and many will be pulled over again.   Reading the earlier thread today we see not all encounters like that go fine and one thing that might be helpful is to be prepared.  Remember, the officer wants to go home at the end of the shift and you can help her/him do that and if you’re cool, you have a way better chance of not getting a ticket.  If you get pulled over:

  1.  Turn all music/sound off immediately
  2.   Pull over quickly and if it’s possible, in as safe of a place as you can find
  3.   All windows go down unless it’s a blizzard or downpour – ease of view
  4.   If you’ve got it quickly available have your insurance and registration at hand. In our rigs      we put both items in one envelope that is clearly marked that way. 
  5.   Drivers, keep your hands on steering wheel with palms facing you. 
  6.   Easy, relaxed movements and don’t reach for anything unless you let the officer know, ‘My    insurance is in the glove compartment, want me to get it now?’
  7.  If its dark turn your inside dome lights on once you have pulled over – again, put the officer   at ease.   
  8. IV. Conclusions

A couple of quick conclusions.  We all know that racism is bad and so is brutality.  Some cops are awesome.  Many are pretty good, but some are horrible.  They are the ones that never made the JV team and got swirlied in high school by some of you and they haven’t forgotten that indignity.  That said, police work can be unbelievably taxing, tense, difficult and require a host of skills that no other profession demands.  And its dangerous: precious few of you have been a one-man unit, at night, pulling over a car load of who knows what type of people, and if somebody starts acting up you might be at the wrong end of a 2,3,4-on-1 fight to the death.   Most cops deserve our respect.  The bad ones deserve to be fired and/or prosecuted.  Record, record, record. 

p.s.   I wrote this with the other board posts in mind and hope I am not adding fuel to any fires.  If so, take it down, I’m not offended and certainly don’t want to offend others.

XM

 

 

 

Comments

guthrie

June 7th, 2020 at 11:21 PM ^

You may find this hard to believe but we STILL have that problem with some detectives.  Detectives don’t wear body cams.  Why?  I have no fucking idea.  And while the very large majority try to record their interviews, some do not.

I actually had a detective in Long Beach who refused to record his interviews and he wrote a paragraph trying to justify why he didn’t record which he would paste into every report.  “I don’t want to have to turn my phone over for discovery.”  So . . . use a fucking hand held recorder.  “The batteries on recorders can run out and then it looks like you turned it off.”  If your incriminating statements you take always come after the batteries die, we have a god damn problem.  As I told him, I can explain to a jury why a battery died or a file got corrupted.  I can’t explain why you didn’t even try to record it.  

Same thing with DNA and fingerprints. I used to butt heads with the crime lab because they refused to run prints or DNA on an object if the police report said the cop saw the defendant holding the object.  I can explain why an object wouldn’t have prints/DNA.  I can’t explain why you wouldn’t even look for it.

I don’t know if it was like this when you were in the office but the simple fact at this point in Los Angeles city is that jurors no longer take officers at their word.  If you have a case that requires a jury to take an officer at his/her word in order to convict . . . well, good luck with that.

Everyone Murders

June 7th, 2020 at 9:02 PM ^

I enjoyed your post and found parts of it enlightening, and parts of it consistent with my own limited experience in the justice system.  The one thing I'd respectfully suggest you leave out is the elephant in the room (IMO) - the "thin blue line" mentality.

Most cops I know did a good honorable job in a tough environment.  But the one thing that was drilled into them is never ever ever rat out a fellow cop for stepping over the line with a suspect.  You might upbraid them in private (as you relayed), but you never ever ever reported a fellow officer's bad conduct.  It would make you a pariah with the worst elements of any PD.  The outside logic being that it's a "thin blue line" that protects us from the worst elements of society, and we need to protect those who serve as cops.

That's one of the key things that needs to change - and will be mighty difficult to fix.  I've stood up to racists comments in my career, to my detriment, but probably not stridently enough at points.  PD/Sheriff/State Police leadership need to set the tone.  And punish those who stand silent to take any choice out of the matter.

FWIW, my local city police department is on the nightly news, and doing a really good job of community policing and keeping the nonsense down while weeding out bad actors.  Mobile phones are a terrific tool for the public to keep their PDs honest.  Because the good ones deserve all of our support and the bad ones deserve none.

Again, thanks for sharing your perspective.

xtramelanin

June 7th, 2020 at 9:42 PM ^

EM, there is unfortunately a significant element of that 'blue line', but i think you are overstating it.  cops get in trouble. other cops dime them off.  there are internal investigations, guys (and gals) get demoted, get suspended, get fired, it happens and it doesn't draw much notice. should it happen more?  you bet.  but it does happen. 

Everyone Murders

June 7th, 2020 at 10:04 PM ^

My mileage has varied, it seems.  I've not witnessed many dimes dropped at all,  And if dimes are dropped, they need to be dropped publicly (after authentication) rather than on the DL.  IMO the overall problem is a cultural one related to the "thin blue line" ethos of the majority of PDs.

Fix that, and you fix a LOT of the police brutality problem.  That would include a cultural change, requiring body cams, and reducing sovereign immunity relief.  Do that, and our at-risk communities are much safer from the minority of bad cops. YMMV,

Double-D

June 7th, 2020 at 11:38 PM ^

Great stuff XM. Thanks for taking the time to share.

Cops deal with some of the worst society has to offer on a daily basis. It has an effect on their outlook and views. Cops can be naturally suspicious. We see it in their suicide rates.

The culture of silence is one of the major challenges. Cops have each other’s backs in life saving situations so it lends itself to looking the other way. That needs to change. 

I was in Chicago today and the streets were empty.  There was some groupings of cops and they all seemed pretty relaxed and a lot of positive interactions were happening with people out on a sunny day. It was nice to see. 

ca_prophet

June 9th, 2020 at 4:04 AM ^

Environment influences your outlook.  If what you deal with all day are dangerous criminals, it takes great strength of character to not eventually see everyone as a dangerous criminal - or worse yet, everyone who matches the most common descriptors of the dangerous criminals you've met must also be such a beast.  Pour in the fact that the people you most trust to have your back are other cops, stir in the turbulent history of race relations in this country, mix with the economic impact they still have, simmer for decades, and it's not that surprising that the "thin blue line", police unions which defend every perpetrator no matter how egregious, and the knowledge that cops crossing the line against citizens (police corruption that results in harm to other cops, on the other hand ...) almost never gets punished in any severe way, have led us ... here.

 

IDKaGoodName

June 8th, 2020 at 8:08 AM ^

Quickly vaulted into one of my favorite board members and posters of all time. When you write something, I tend to read it and ‘listen up’. This was very informative and also mildly disturbing to a degree; working in emergency and trauma has opened my eyes to some of this brutality and violence, and it is educating to have a full-circle POV, with your testimonials in the mix. Thank you for your service in your line of work, but thank you also for continuing to be an inspiration and for always trying to be a positive force that moves to educate others. I return to this board daily because of posters like XM

Blue Vet

June 8th, 2020 at 1:47 PM ^

[CORRECTION: I too thought you were a cop in the situations you mentioned. Still, my comments stand.]

Thanks, Xtramelanin. Good post.

I was a military policeman, and though it was a much shorter time than yours, with fewer emergency situations, I learned some of the same stuff:

• there are really good cops (my best friend from the Army, later a Cincinnati cop),

• there are lazy ones who can cause harm because, avoiding work, they let trouble build, and,

• there are bad cops who CREATED trouble, rather than calming it. The bad ones I knew were stone cold racists.

egrfree2rhyme

June 8th, 2020 at 11:36 PM ^

I'm sorry, when you use the word "varrio" do you mean "barrio" like in Spanish or is there some meaning that I'm not getting?  I googled this and didn't find anything.

Thanks for the effort you put into your post.

xtramelanin

June 9th, 2020 at 7:08 AM ^

the proper/common spanish word is 'varrio' which means for us 'neighborhood'.  'barrio' is some type of anglicized version.   and yes, i am a spanish speaker. 

kind of like the word 'marijuana' and here in michigan the legislature in some of their newer statutes and rules spelled it 'marihuana'.  

pescadero

June 9th, 2020 at 2:48 PM ^

Varrio is actually the incorrect spelling.

 

Root of the word is the Arabic barri -  which gave us barrio (Spanish) , bairro (Portugese), barri (Catalan), and barrio (Galician).

Varrio is actually a US "Chicano" variant that appears to date to the 1940's.

 

xtramelanin

June 9th, 2020 at 6:14 PM ^

maybe in a wiki its one of the spellings, but in the real world, at least in socal, every single time i have seen the word in placa or tats or police reports or kites, and that would number thousands of times, it is 'varrio'.  if they use a 'b' somewhere its not in the main hispanic gang territories.

if you are curious, here is a link to various places that show it: https://www.google.com/search?q=images+of+gang+graffiti+varrio&safe=strict&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS893US893&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjIksGR3_XpAhVICKwKHXwnA3UQ_AUoAXoECAwQAw&biw=1920&bih=937

representative photos here: 

Seattle Gang Graffiti Varrio Locos 13 | Delridge area | DeKita ...

and another one from orange county

Prevention Program: Chicas In the Varrio - ppt video online download

pescadero

June 10th, 2020 at 11:38 AM ^

" but in the real world, at least in socal, "

In SoCal. Not in Spain. Not in Mexico.

 

It's an AMERICAN Chicano variant. You'll see it all over the place in the USA, particularly with respect to gangs and particularly in SoCal.

 

It's a spelling variant that came out of the US Chicano community in the 1940's, particularly associated with gangs. You'll notice every one of those images is... from the USA.

 

"The variation of the word changes from East-coast NY Puerto Ricans and Dominicans calling it the BARRIO, and Southwest and West coast Mexicans calling it the VARRIO. Varrio is basically the Chicano Calo version of BARRIO."
 

egrfree2rhyme

June 10th, 2020 at 1:55 PM ^

I appreciate everyone's responses.  As far as I can tell, based on everyone's answers, "varrio" is the Chicano spelling of the "barrio" and/or the way it's spelled when referring to gangs, at least in the US.  Thanks, everyone, for clearing up my doubts on this subject.

I just sincerely didn't know if "varrio" was an alternative spelling of "barrio" and in what contexts it's used, given that here in Mexico the correct spelling is "barrio."

Thanks.

egrfree2rhyme

June 10th, 2020 at 1:49 PM ^

I live in Mexico and it's spelled "barrio."  My girlfriend, a lawyer, born and raised here in Mexico and the graduate of the University of Guanajuato confirms that it's spelled "barrio" and so does the dictionary.

Granted, people mix up "b" and "v" all the time here so you occasionally see "vanda" instead of "banda" and "probecho" instead of "provecho" so it's not like people wouldn't understand "varrio." 

But I was genuinely curious as to if "varrio" meant something different in this thread - given that most on this board don't speak Spanish and "varrio" is not the common spelling, at least in Mexico. 

klctlc

June 10th, 2020 at 10:23 AM ^

Thank you for some excellent perspective.  I am a 55 year old white dude and racism is all over.  The problem I see is in how we solve it.  Very little being discussed today will actually fix it.  We need to get better schools in the cities, address the lack of family structure, provide capital to small business and just admit racist assholes are out there and blow right past them.  Unfortunately it will take time because too many generations have been so screwed over by the system.

The police for the most part are just cleaning up societies mess.  Plus unions don’t let cities get rid of bad cops. I am not anti union, but changes need to be made ( just like in teaching and my wife is a teacher)

One of the best posts I have ever seen on this blog.  Thank you

klctlc

June 10th, 2020 at 10:23 AM ^

Thank you for some excellent perspective.  I am a 55 year old white dude and racism is all over.  The problem I see is in how we solve it.  Very little being discussed today will actually fix it.  We need to get better schools in the cities, address the lack of family structure, provide capital to small business and just admit racist assholes are out there and blow right past them.  Unfortunately it will take time because too many generations have been so screwed over by the system.

The police for the most part are just cleaning up societies mess.  Plus unions don’t let cities get rid of bad cops. I am not anti union, but changes need to be made ( just like in teaching and my wife is a teacher)

One of the best posts I have ever seen on this blog.  Thank you

rob f

June 10th, 2020 at 11:19 AM ^

This fellow senior citizen upvoted you twice---why not!

Yes, racism is everywhere.  I'm all too familiar with it, as a kid I saw it in some of my grandparents. As an adult, I've split with former friends over it.  And I've seen it numerous times on the job at places I've worked from people in supervisory positions, one of the biggest reasons I've in the past been a union rep and steward, and also why I went into management myself for quite a while, determined to not be "that way" myself.

   As a parent and spouse, I've seen it somewhat consume the mind of my father-in-law, whose  own father was killed in Georgia by the sons of a black sharecropper (after he assaulted her) in a famous case from the late 40's.  As parents, we tried our best to teach our kids why their grandpa (he was only about 10 yrs old when he lost his dad) was that way and why they shouldn't be.

But yes, kltclc, you are correct on many of the other steps we, both as individuals and as a society need to work on.

And XM: by all means please keep being you---your experiences and expertise are invaluable to the board.  This OP and discussion are excellent---well done!

MeanJoe07

June 10th, 2020 at 5:33 PM ^

If we defund or better yet, disband the police departments then things should get much better staistically.  If no one is enforcing the law then there will be a lot less crime on the books.  No one can argue with that logic. 

Hensons Mobile…

June 12th, 2020 at 1:47 PM ^

Gotta say, I have some issues with the What To Do When You're Pulled Over list. Everything in the list is a fine thing to do, but some of it to me seems like bullshit that someone would be expected to think of it or obligated in anyway to do it to put the cop at ease.

I mean, the cop might want a hand job to feel relaxed, but there's no reason you should feel compelled to offer one.

Pulling over ASAP and being polite are such no brainers that I assume everyone understands this whether or not they can bring themselves to do it.

The ones that I feel like are crap expectations:

All windows go down unless it’s a blizzard or downpour – ease of view

What? I honestly don't even understand this one. I have been pulled over a couple times (I'm white...you were all assuming that anyway) and it never occurred to me do that. If the officer asked me to roll down my back windows and passenger window in my empty car, I suppose I probably would, although I might ask "Why?" first just as a natural reaction. And if I were black, asking why would suddenly put me in a bad position.

Drivers, keep your hands on steering wheel with palms facing you.

I understand this one, and I accept it as good advice, but if a driver feels the more natural thing to do in a stopped car is have their hands in their lap, it is bullshit that this is a life-threatening mistake.

Don’t reach for anything unless you let the officer know, ‘My insurance is in the glove compartment, want me to get it now?’

I agree that turning your back on the cop and starting to reach for things unprompted is a bad idea. If nothing else, it's just straight rude. But if the officer says "license and registration" a person should be permitted to reach for their back pocket (license) and glove compartment (registration) without having to first say "Sir/Ma'am I have received your request for providing license and registration; license is in back pocket; please confirm I may now put my hand in back pocket." IIRC, this is what got Philando Castile shot. The officer asked for his registration, he reached for the glove compartment, and got shot. I assign exactly 0% blame to Castile for that.

If its dark turn your inside dome lights on once you have pulled over – again, put the officer at ease.

This is similar to me with the windows in that it would have NEVER occurred to me and while I understand that the officer might appreciate it, your life should not be in danger because you failed to do so.

I infer from this that these are staples of "the talk" which I of course never received. And if it is good advice then it is good advice and I won't dispute that. But it should not be even the least bit necessary.

xtramelanin

June 12th, 2020 at 11:19 PM ^

hi HM,

you say "seems like bullshit that someone would be expected to think of it or obligated in anyway to do it to put the cop at ease."  but i didn't say it that strongly. i was only making suggestions, not requirements, for folks to make the odds of having a more pleasant encounter with cops when it happens. kind of like the more serious version of when you go through the drive-thru window.  you open your windows and turn the stereo down to make and get your order.  you don't have to do it but things will likely go better if you do.  same with turning the dome light on at night. 

also, i'm not saying your life would be in danger if you didn't do these things, i'm saying its a good idea.  i noted in the UP and even down here in the northern lower that road deputies seem to be somewhat lax in their vehicle approaches. that's a two-edge sword:  up here its not likely to be a problem, but that's not good training.  last i kept track, something more than 70% of all officer involved shootings started with a vehicle stop.  

these were things in the varrio that would be greatly appreciated by my guys. of course it wouldn't occur to you, you're normal and would never have the security considerations that some do on a daily basis, multiple times a day. 

you mention the shooting and i think i know the one you are mentioning. i saw the video once.  it sure looked like a very 'bad' (meaning wrong and violating the law) shooting.  i can't imagine the justification for that one.  i guess if i was on a jury i'd try to keep an open mind, but in the court of public opinion that was bad.  

 

 

Hensons Mobile…

June 13th, 2020 at 11:30 AM ^

Hi XM,

Just like you say you didn't say the things I said you said, I did not say the things you said I said.

I don't understand the drive through comment regarding the windows. The driver window going down, in an exchange with an officer or at a drive through, is an essential part of the interaction. Basically that much is a requirement. The other three windows...not so much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile

Castile was driving with his partner Diamond Reynolds and her four-year-old daughter when at 9:00 p.m. their vehicle was pulled over by Yanez and another officer in Falcon Heights, a suburb of Saint Paul, Minnesota.[3][4] After being asked for his license and registration, Castile told Officer Yanez that he had a firearm (Castile was licensed to carry) to which Yanez replied, "Don't reach for it then", and Castile said "I'm, I, I was reaching for..." Yanez said "Don't pull it out", Castile replied "I'm not pulling it out", and Reynolds said "He's not..." Yanez repeated "Don't pull it out"[5] and then shot at Castile at close range seven times, hitting him five times.[6] Castile died at 9:37 p.m. at Hennepin County Medical Center, about 20 minutes after being shot.[7]

Yanez was acquitted in a jury trial, which as best I can tell is a failure of the system somewhere along the line. I'm not saying Yanez needed capital punishment or life in prison, but acquitted. Wow.

One of the things that has always galled me (among the other obvious galling things) is that my understanding from gun owners is that you are required to tell an officer when pulled over if you have a gun in the car. I'm actually not even sure what the justification is for that requirement, but that's my understanding.

Regardless, that Yanez would think Castile would announce that he has a gun if his intent was to use it is...it doesn't speak well of Yanez's composure or intelligence.

Lest my bringing up the Castile shooting be misunderstood, I am not saying that Yanez is a typical officer or that this is a typical encounter or a typical outcome.

xtramelanin

June 13th, 2020 at 3:29 PM ^

1.  i thought i cut-n-pasted your words right out of your post.  was that inaccurate? 

2.  i was thinking of another, even worse shooting.  it was a daytime deal, vehicle stop.  seemingly calm conversation and the body cam is not pointed exactly at the driver but then 'boom!', cop shot him.  

echoWhiskey

June 12th, 2020 at 1:48 PM ^

XM, first of all, thank you for taking the time to post this.  It's informative and speaks to your unique perspective.  

You mention several times how difficult a LEO's job is and how being good at it requires such a wide array of skills:

 It demands skills that span from social worker to soldier and everything in between.

As someone who has worked closely with LEO, how do you view the calls to lessen the responsibilities of LEO by funding other areas to assist in specialized case?  For example, trained mental health experts to assist in dealing with calls related to that.  To me, allowing LEOs to narrow their focus would reduce their burden and lead to better results across the board.

 

xtramelanin

June 12th, 2020 at 11:38 PM ^

you bring up a very good point: mental illness.  there is a vicious circle of substance abuse and mental health, mental health and substance abuse.  frequently it goes hand in hand with homelessness.  i think you would find a surprisingly high percentage of homeless actually want to stay that way which of course makes no sense to most of us.  so what do you do with them?  you don't want to lock them up, especially if they're only 'camping' or at worst, committing ticky-tack crimes. 

do you re-open mental hospitals?  or does that end up looking like a nicer jail?  so when you bring up the idea of mental health experts, how do you deploy them in the most efficient fashion?   i don't claim to know the answers to these questions, but i do think that is a conversation we should have.  

Billmunson

June 14th, 2020 at 5:25 PM ^

People living in poverty.Hungry children. Hungry elderly. Living paycheck to paycheck. Murder n homicides. The war on drugs. Poor in a war against the poor. Police in a war against the poor. 

Bo248

June 18th, 2020 at 2:53 PM ^

Good piece, confirming many things, learning new about others.  It is a very broad and complex issue for sure.  Corruption needs to be fixed (the camera dwnld issue).  Thanks

youfilthyanimal

August 28th, 2020 at 10:01 AM ^

The whole George Floyd video was leaked two weeks ago. There was a reason why it wasn't. He didn't die due to the knee to the neck. He actually asked to be put on the ground. He died because he was high on drugs per the official autopsy report which lead to heart failure. He would have died regardless because his symptoms started long before he requested to lie on the ground on his own accord. I am sure many on here won't watch the full video because it will ruin their own twisted narrative. George Floyd did everything to resist arrest. The video shows that very clearly. I know, I watched it.