Hoke: Nebraska players "wrong" about offense predictability

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Per today's press conference, Hoke says offense isn't predictable, and after watching film, he reiterated that he liked the play calling. Edit: on front page now.

1M1Ucla

November 11th, 2013 at 2:59 PM ^

Without consequences, Brady should just lose the term from his and the program's vocabulary. The amount of cynicism that arises from lack of accountability ruins organizations.  

Brady seems intent on continuing the Lloyd coaching tree of dead leaves, which is Lloyd's real failure to the program -- not one competent assistant prepared to take the job after he held it for 13 years.  Michigan is going to feel the effects of that singular failure for years to come.

BlueinLansing

November 11th, 2013 at 3:01 PM ^

My vast football knowledge includes watching lots of football, I've never been on a team past little league.  But I can sit in the stands 85 god damn rows up and can just about pick every damn play you are going to run and what direction.

The whole damn thing is broken.

umchicago

November 11th, 2013 at 3:32 PM ^

are you referring to our final 3rd down play with DG?  i honestly don't know if that was roll out to the left then sprint back to the right was planned or not.  that's how bad it has become.  and if butt wasn't going to block that DE, why the hell didn't he just go downfield 5 yds so DG could just flip it to him for a first down.  mindboggling.

Eastside Maize

November 11th, 2013 at 3:11 PM ^

There is a commercial running on BTN where various B10 Head Coaches describe a passing play. I'm convinced Hoke wouldn't know a single passing play off the top of his head. Coach we run the same limited amount of plays. We're predictable.

FreddieMercuryHayes

November 11th, 2013 at 3:32 PM ^

Never said they were this bad. Just that Carr coached and planned as if every player would execute perfectly every time no matter his players, or who he was playing. When something didn't work, it was just that they didn't execute. You can put me out there and expect me to e execute all you want. But that would make you a poor coach.

96goblue00

November 11th, 2013 at 3:29 PM ^

Do you still like the play calling after you looked at the film?

“Yeah. There’s not even a question about it.”

 

Either Hoke is completely clueless about offense, or he is trying to avoid, essentially, throwing Borges under the bus.

His response to the following question seems to suggest that he may, in fact, be clueless.....

Does it get to a point where you can’t or shouldn’t run play action from certain sets?

“Certain sets, maybe. I think you’re right.”

Duuhhhhh......Come on man. You are the head coach of a major program...you need a reporter to tell you that your offensive coordinator is making some dumb decisions. Oh, wait, you liked all the play calling after you looked at the film.

Geez Louise....

Gary_B

November 11th, 2013 at 3:30 PM ^

Hoke's response could have been, "Nebraska knew what we were doing on each and every play and we still managed to score 13 points!!!!! That's progress over the last game in which we only scored 6 points."

McSomething

November 11th, 2013 at 3:41 PM ^

of this "it was coachspeak" defense. If things were truly different behind the scenes the same shit wouldn't be happening every week! Shit would fucking get fixed! Things aren't getting fixed. They're getting worse because everyone and their dead grandmother knows exactly what we're going to do, and how to stop it. Look at Nebraska's defensive average going into Saturday's game, then look how far below that Michigan got. Two weeks in a row of negative rushing. Against MSU (because their defense is pretty damn good) that's a bad thing. Against Nebraska (with one of the worst rush defenses in the country, let alone the conference) that's downright fucking sad. Sparty fans feel sorry for Michigan right now. Seriously. Let that sink in for a minute.

htownwolverine

November 11th, 2013 at 3:47 PM ^

I'm sorry but does Hoke think we are rubes? 1st and 10 and you run up the gut into a blitz and he likes like it? 

What doe we need Brady? More 'physicalness'? More 'toughness'? 

How about some friggin accountability on Brady's part? Instead of needing to coach the kids better in technique  the coaches begin with putting the kids in a better position to succeed? 

I mean Spielman was begging Al to call 'Hot Routes' for 4 qtrs and was literally shaking his head by the end of the game. 

You know when he finally called a 'Hot Route'? 4th and 5 on the last play.

I dumped the Dope

November 11th, 2013 at 4:17 PM ^

We are a young team.  Lets just take Stribling for a single example to illustrate.  On one hand he's been there on many plays (going back to Penn State).  He played not a perfect but a respectable game at corner vs Neb, the mistake coming at a key juncture against Neb, same as Penn State.  But I also say he's the skinniest guy I can ever remember seeing in a Michigan football uniform.

We expect this massive development in bodies in 12 weeks.  Thats 23% of a year.  Give me the benefit of rounding to 20%.  I expect the 80% development to be a lot bigger.

JamieH

November 11th, 2013 at 4:19 PM ^

1)  Hoke is a complete moron

2)  He is intentionally full of shit to the press to protect the ineptitude of Borges.

The scary thing is, I'm not really sure which it is anymore.

switch26

November 11th, 2013 at 4:22 PM ^

I didn't realize til i read in the wolverine magazine the other day that our freshman O-lineman are only the 9th and 10th Freshman O-lineman to ever start at michigan.. yikes..

Epic-Blue

November 11th, 2013 at 4:28 PM ^

Accountability???????????????????
Execution???????????????????????
Excuses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Train wreck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hennesbe

November 11th, 2013 at 4:32 PM ^

Come on Hoke,  everyone in the stands knows what play you are going to run.  And when it's 3rd and 25 and only two receivers they pretty much know who you are going to throw to.

MGoBlue96

November 11th, 2013 at 5:27 PM ^

I really hope Hoke truely doesn't believe this, otherwise this program may be looking for a whole new staff within the next couple of years. He is either in denial, clueless or is just trying to cover for Borges.

samdrussBLUE

November 11th, 2013 at 5:27 PM ^

Hoke is full of shit I think. Why would a Nebraska player say that and not mean it? Also, I don't think this is the first opponent to say this.

TIMMMAAY

November 11th, 2013 at 5:30 PM ^

He's obviously full of shit, and rightly so in this case. He can't publicly castrate his OC, that serves nobody but our opponents. There are a lot of angles to consider, not the least of which is public (recruit) perception of the situation. He's not doing the best job on handling it, but throwing people under the bus would be 10x worse. 

MGoBlue96

November 11th, 2013 at 5:55 PM ^

I don't expect him to rip his OC publicly, but that doesn't mean he has to act like everything is fine and dandy with the playcalling either. He could phrase his answer in way that indicates it could be better or that they are looking to make possible adjustments, without ripping Borges in a direct manner.

If he is lying (which seems most likely), the answer he gave is pretty much insulting the intelligence of the fans. Does he expect people to honestly believe what he is saying?

MGoBlue96

November 11th, 2013 at 6:32 PM ^

He could simply say as a staff that they are looking into possible adjustments moving forward. That would not be throwing Al under the bus or singling him out. The bullshit coachspeak Hoke continues to use week in and week out, is getting tiresome to say the least. It may deflect some criticism of Al, but all it is doing is causing that to be redirected at Hoke himself. One of those guys has a higher chance of not being here next year.

Like I said, Hoke has to be smart enough to realize that spouting bullshit and insulting fans intelligence in the process is only going to make them angrier.

Not to mention there is a chance he does actually believe what he saying, considering the playcalling has pretty much stayed the same most of the season. It sure doesn't look like many adjustments have made behind closed doors. Actions normally speak louder than words. I do that is the less likely to be the case, but you can't rule out the possibility that he is being genuine entirely.

 

TIMMMAAY

November 11th, 2013 at 7:52 PM ^

If you still don't understand, nothing else I say will help. He has obliquely referenced future changes all season long. In the situation they now find themselves in, they must present a united front. Hoke doesn't owe you or I an explanation. He just doesn't. His responsibility is to the team, and the development of that team. Placating people by laying blame on anyone or anything in particular serves no other purpose, and has potential to do a lot of damage. He's saying what he needs to say (or not say). 

Of course I'd like to hear a little more thoughtful answers to some of the questions. That doesn't mean I feel like I'm owed any real answers. All the hand wringing and gnashing of teeth around here over the fact that our coach isn't giving us a lamb to sacrifice is dumb, short sighted, and juvenile. 

MGoBlue96

November 11th, 2013 at 8:19 PM ^

Why you think Hoke can't sidestep throwing Borges under the bus, while still letting people know they are looking for ways to improve the playcalling is beyond me. It is not rocket science to manuever his way around that situation, that doesn't come across to fans as him saying that everything is fine and dandy with the playcalling.

I gave a perfectly viable example for how Hoke (as have a couple others in this thread) could have answered the question, while straddling both sides of the equation. It is not impossible to do so, despite what you may think.Clearly Hoke isn't going to do that though, so I look forward to hearing him say the exact same thing a couple more times this season.

The thing is I wouldn't  care what Hoke was saying publicly if the playcalling was being adressed behind closed doors, but judging by the last couple of weeks I question if that is taking place. As I said actions speak louder than words.

LKLIII

November 11th, 2013 at 9:08 PM ^

     My God, I hope this is the case.  Let's think this out logically.   From Hoke's own words, his mindset seems to be in one of these generalized frames:

1)  Completely Oblivious (They Don't Realize We Suck)

     I cannot imagine this is the case.  The statistics are right there.  These are not stupid men.  Rationalization might have gotten them past Akron and UConn, maybe past PSU due to a plethora of missed field goals, maybe MSU due to "hey, they've got one of the best defenses in the country."  But not Nebraska.  The fog of ignorance, if there ever was any, must have surely lifted by now.

2)  Stragetic Pain (Rip The Band-Aid Off/The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves)

     In this scenario, Hoke along with AB, have just decided to stick with the new program no matter what, until the young squad "gets it" and is able to "execute."  They wanted to run their desiered offense from Day One, but due to the personnel and the dynamic play of Denard, they were forced to hold off for the first year or two. Everybody was waiting for an absolutely brutal transition the first year or two, but it wasn't as brutal as we all thought, especially after our hightened expectations after this year's Notre Dame game. But instead, it's just that the truly ugly ride was on time delay.  

     Perhaps Hoke promised AB that no matter what happened, in 2013 they would install their preferred offense come hell or highwater.  Maybe they knew the growing pains would be inevitable at some point anyway, and now it's time to pay the piper before the honeymoon is totally over and they still have a reserve of goodwill in Ann Arbor to pull it off. And by refusing to adjust, they know they are sacrificing stats and wins today, but in order to provide (in their eyes) a necessary baptism of fire for their very young roster to pick up the system.  In this scenario, they foresaw things would get worse before they got better, which is why they aren't hitting the panic button right now.

3)  Messaging Security (Thou Shall Not Air Dirty Laundry)

     Or maybe none of the above happened.  Or alternatively, either Scenario 1 or Scenario 2 started to happen, but Hoke has since seen fit to change course and is privately shaking things up.  In this scenario, there are many places he could elect to censor the messaging to preserve morale--between all Fort Schembechler vs the rest of the world; between his coaching staff vs the rest of the world (including the kids on the team); or between himself alone and the rest of the world (including his own coaching staff).  Where that line is drawn depends on his leadership style.  Some might be in the "for God's sake, do SOMETHING" camp, in which case the appearance of not doing anything would kill morale more than staff shake-up rumors flying around.  But there's definitely a leadership style out there that says, "praise in public; scold in private."  Maybe Hoke is one of those guys.  

     But again, that's a matter of opinion.  Folks have said before that Hoke has done a shake-up on his previous coaching staffs.  Do we have any idea on how that was accomplished? Did Hoke have a tendency to telegraph the shake up beforehand?  Or was it a stonewall of coach-speak all season, then a Bloody Sunday after the last game?  And how much of this might be Hoke just not trusting himself to maintain a nuanced information embargo against a news-hungry media?  

     How many of you have ever sensed a begging dog beneath your spot at the dinner table that you were determined not to feed?  Did you look at the dog and pet him, just to be nice, still knowing you'd never feed him a scrap of food? How did that go?  Or did you just stone-cold ignore him because you didn't want to invite more aggressive begging?  Or alternatively, because you didn't trust yourself and you knew that as soon as you saw his puppy-dog eyes you'd just break down and let the scraps spill from the table despite your better judgment?

 

     At this point this is all speculative of course.  Maybe we get to an OK bowl game after posting an 8-4 record---essentially what we originally expected out of this season anyway--and no major shake-ups happen.  Maybe it's a tire fire, we play in "Try Harder Bowl" at some point in late December, and we hear about a coaching staff shake-up.

     Only time will tell.  

jackw8542

November 11th, 2013 at 5:36 PM ^

Since my question was not answered in the other thread and I would really like to know the answer, I thought I would try asking it again.  In his Oz article, Brian indicates that it was up to Clark to make Armstrong make the pitch on the play where Abdullah scored the winning TD.  Looking at it (and at the other options run earlier), it seemed to me as if it was Clark's responsibility to make it impossible for Armstrong to make the pitch by staying between Armstrong and Abdullah so that it could not be pitched and Armstrong would be forced to keep the ball and turn the play back inside.  Does anyone know the answer to this question?  Just trying to learn a little.  Thanks.

MGoBlue96

November 11th, 2013 at 6:08 PM ^

Anytime you have one guy trying to account for both the QB and RB on an option that is bad situation. The optimal outcome would have one guy taking away the inside cutback from the QB, while another free defender comes over to cover the pitch. I don't think it is fair to pin that play on Clark. It is possible for one guy to take both away if he plays it perfectly, but that is very hard to do. He did force Armstrong to hold on to it for an extra second before pitching it, in the ideal outcome that would given other defenders time to get out on the pitch.

As Brian noted the playcall was the major problem, they only had 6 guys in the box and were shaded to the wrong side to cover the option to that side. That play was somewhat doomed for failure from the start and it led to no help coming for Clark on that play. Personally I think UM should have stacked the box on that play, and dared Nebraska to throw the ball.

jaylee714

November 11th, 2013 at 5:36 PM ^

I no longer have any trust. I hope he knows a good realtor in A2, 'cause that new house he built may be on the market soon.

Princetonwolverine

November 11th, 2013 at 6:06 PM ^

When I attended Michigan in the early 70's Bo's offenses were very predictable. They ran into

the line a lot, gained chunks of  yards and often won by big margins. The other team knew what we were going to do but were helpless to stop it. It was fun.