Three OSU Players Linked to Alleged Rape
At this point, they have just been named in a search warrant filed by police. To be very clear, I am not making any accusations, but it seems like something to keep an eye on. No charges have been filed.
http://abc6onyourside.com/shared/news/features/top-stories/stories/wsyx…
As a buckeye fan this is the last thing I wan't to come here and comment on but from what I have read it kind of sounds like we have one player being accused of forcing himself on someone and the other two kinda seem like they are named as being present at the time... maybe witnesses. I would have to assume (even though I know your thoughts on Urban) that if all three were actually being accused of this type of crime than all three would have been released from the team. Based on the names being thrown around Urban Meyer has dismissed players with a lot more talent for a lot less of a crime. Again no facts here just been reading a lot of the stories because my oh shit meter went through the roof when i saw this.
So if only one actually did it, but the other two stood by watching you would think only the one deserved to be put off the team? I would have to say the other two should be gone two if that is the case. I can say this honestly...If I ever walked in a caught someone assaulting a girl (friend or not) I would kick their ass.
I should also say that if that is what happened (they caught him and ended the assault and are witnesses in that capacity) then I take back what I wrote in the first paragraph, but I would think if that were the case this would have all progressed much faster with two eye witnesses who stopped a sexual assault.
March 13th, 2013 at 10:49 AM ^
This is why speculation is bad. "OSU player may have material information related to an alleged crime" turns into "Buckeyes stand by while woman gets raped".
March 12th, 2013 at 10:24 PM ^
as stated earlier in the post, you cannot pin this on Meyer because two of the three with the third not really known at all were heavily recruited by MIchigan and coach hoke and i believe had offers from Michigan. I agree with the arrest record from florida it doesnt look good but i believe coach hoke had as many maybe more than urban.
March 12th, 2013 at 11:03 PM ^
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not very extensive i guess all i did was google players arrested under brady hoke and there is a link to a michigan website called hokeamania or something that looks to have been written rights after toussaint was arrested and says since hokes arrival there have been 8 players arrested. and typically players from ball state, sdsu, or even urban's bowling green and utah teams being arrested dont make the news unless its something serious.http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&ved=0CGIQFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhokeamaniac.com%2Fbad-hoke-bad%2F&ei=E_c_UceTNYLn0gGjwYEI&usg=AFQjCNGi9B1MqBAFYygZYiEpLegSygg1EA&sig2=lzV6bzjIreS75kanS_NvHw
March 13th, 2013 at 12:52 AM ^
March 13th, 2013 at 11:13 PM ^
and for ball state hoke had atleast a few arrested players up there the most interesting one being his own nephew for a dui a month or so after another kid with same charge and that didn't take a very extensive search to find. I am not trying to bash brady hoke and or Michigan, just trying to make the point that it happens to a lot of players at a lot of programs under a lot of coaches.
March 12th, 2013 at 10:56 PM ^
As for arrest records, I think you're better off looking at players brought in by the coach. Hoke has had 2 1/2 classes now (1 1/2 that have been on camps) and only Frank Clark has been arrested from the group he brought in. Meyer has had 1 1/2 (only one set that has been on campus) and already 2 of the players he brought in are tied up in these horrific allegations. Urban has a history with low character kids and this seems to perpetuate that.
March 13th, 2013 at 12:14 AM ^
your right, i'm sure hoke turned pittman away cause he could sense he was going to be trouble, and i guess the dodson offer was one of the offers you get where the school just sends you an offer cause they dont want you. urban also has a history of national championships but thats because he made it clear to them to go out and get into as much trouble as possible and it would help them win games.... at the end of the day it is not urban meyer nor brady hokes job to babysit these kids there are people paid by these universities for that.
And you didn't recruit Pryor? Pretty sure there were tears shed by many MIchigan fans and coaches when he chose Ohio State. You can act like all the kids Michigan signs are saints but at the end of the day they are probably just doing a better job of not getting caught doing dumb stuff. And lets be real, every one of these kids being recruited by these 2 schools feel entitled because at 15, 16, 17 years old people like you and myself are on websites talking about how great they are and how we cant wait to have them on our teams.
March 12th, 2013 at 10:38 PM ^
March 12th, 2013 at 10:44 PM ^
Then I'd rather not be a title contender. And it's not even a close call.
March 12th, 2013 at 11:06 PM ^
The assertion that the best programs focus on character risks but Michigan somehow does not is hugely innaccurate. Who of that 70% of Tressel's players did Michigan not recruit? Maurice Clarett had a Michigan offer. We would have loved to get Terrelle Pryor.
Truth is, most of Tressel's players were just like most of Michigan's players, who are a lot like LSU's and Alabama's players. They are really talented kids who chose to attend a certain school for their own reasons, despite having many other opportunities.
The idea that 70% of OSU's players under Jim Tressel had serious character issues while our noble warrior-poets fight a futile battle against evil is absurd.
March 12th, 2013 at 11:46 PM ^
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March 12th, 2013 at 11:55 PM ^
It seems that it may not only be the types of kids the programs recruit but the culture of the programs once the recruits arrive. If players are put on a pedestal and allowed to take shortcuts or get away with small and petty things, they can start to feel invincible. Ultimately it can lead to situations like the alleged one here or those last year at ND.
March 13th, 2013 at 12:30 AM ^
Zone Left, I find your lack of Michigan arrogance disturbing. I can't believe you call yourself a Michigan fan.
Anyone think it's more about how the coach handles the player after he gets there more so than who is actually recruited? For example could it be that Meyer and Tressel give preferential treatment and let more slide whereas Hoke demands accountability and treats everyone the same? Both coaches would likely take the players, but it's HOW the coaches handle the players once they get there that makes a difference in how much trouble they get into.
March 12th, 2013 at 10:42 PM ^
Edit: double post.
March 12th, 2013 at 10:41 PM ^
It seems sort of petty to get enjoyment out of this event. I know no one is upvoting rape, but even feeling a sense of superiority over OSU feels wrong to me. I still get pissed off when people bring up our past issues with a tone of superiority (and yes, I know they're not nearly as serious). I'm so happy when OSU loses, but this doesn't make me feel good at all.
March 12th, 2013 at 10:44 PM ^
I hope this isn't true. As much as I dislike Ohio, nothing like this should ever happen to any school especially within B1G.
March 12th, 2013 at 11:29 PM ^
I've been googling tonight and Dodsons instagram account has a message about his phone being stolen (confiscated per the warrant I assume) on the 10th. His girlfriend is the other name mentioned in the document that wasn't redacted and shown by the news. I hope the truth can be found and justice will prevail.
March 12th, 2013 at 11:34 PM ^
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March 13th, 2013 at 11:21 PM ^
careful talking about schools trying to cover thing up when it may happen in your own back yard...http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CEIQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fannarborchronicle.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F11%2FComments-for-the-Regents-Meeting-1117111.pdf&ei=7C5BUdjfK6694APOrICQAQ&usg=AFQjCNGL8QOjdvtOS2j_SQsMoA9thoBPVw&sig2=kTpLhn1mm24FanAGIiaO4g
March 12th, 2013 at 11:45 PM ^
I wouldn't put any of this on the OSU coaching staff or culture; rape isn't tolerated anywhere and people who perpetrate it are driven to do so by their own instabilities, but it will be interesting to see how this is handled. Meyer will definitely boot them if they are guilty, but he also has a bit of a reputation for letting wayward guys stick around if they can be advantageous.
March 13th, 2013 at 12:22 PM ^
I agree for the most part, but keep the Penn State situation in mind before assuming that no culture will ever tolerate or ignore something so awful. We don't want to forget the lessons we've all learned from that
March 12th, 2013 at 11:50 PM ^
Will say a winner on that board said that women sometimes lie about sexual assaults, which only, you know, flies in the face of fact and history. Sexual assaults are likely the most under-reported major crime in the US, and the least conservative claims for false reports is still under 8%. So yeah, there's a chance, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
March 13th, 2013 at 11:36 AM ^
I never said they were mutually exclusive. I know that both occur. My point is that far too often people will claim the outlier is the case (in this instance, that it is a false report) because it makes them feel better, not because there is much logic/factual support behind the claim. But sure, keep jumping to conclusions.
Your follow ups make me believe what you really meant was that reported sexual assault allegations are true most of the time, making an assumption that they are false without further information illogical. This is of course true and I agree, but not what you originally said.
I hoped my invocation to take a formal logic course would come across as obviously tongue in cheek, but I guess we both failed to make ourselves perfectly clear.
March 13th, 2013 at 11:34 AM ^
I don't argue that false reports occur (and the Duke lacrosse event was so scandalous that it was blown out of proportion by everyone as soon as it was even hinted at), but I've seen this way too often with athletes. People don't want the guys/team they've been rooting for to have any bad apples, so there is a subset that will immediately claim that the victim is probably making up or falsely claiming whatever happened. Hell, when those MSU engineering students were beaten up a couple of athletes years ago (and I'm blanking on the names), people claimed the students must have started it. Of course, all facts proved it to be a largely-senseless attack by some football players. I'm not ignoring the reality that sexual assault is a difficult topic and incredibly grey at times, with the potential to destroy lives both of victims and false victims, but I'm personally bothered by the "blame the victim" mentality that pops up so often with situations like this. You don't have to agree - that's the great thing about having an opinion - but a couple of cases where false accounts were made isn't going to change my take that false reports really don't happen that often.
And BTW, I never saw real evidence that Tyson wasn't guily of sexual assault, other than some veiled claims that the victim had falsely accused a boyfriend once. If you have other evidence, I'd like to read it.
March 13th, 2013 at 11:14 PM ^
Oh please, folks. We had a player, albeit not three of them, accused of the same crime only a few years ago and he has become one of the most beloved players on this board.
I'd say some of these comments are a bit premature.
The ABC story was horribly written (which I assume is why they redacted it), but let's get this straight: Of the three people involved, the one who is accused of committing sexual assault is no longer on their team, one is currently on the team but appears to only be listed on the warrant to have his cell phone confiscated for evidence at this time, and the third was a recruit who did not commit to Ohio.
I'm guessing there are a lot of people who don't know which player you're talking about.
(I do...which is why I'm not a fan of the guy, since I heard some details about what happened.)
(I know who the mystery player being discussed is, btw)
I won't often claim to have "inside sources" but that would be an accurate statement in this case. It's not stuff that I read on a message board or overheard in conversation.
Thought better of it to stay away. Proud of you guys for not getting it locked up. It appears no one got sent to Boliva either! Way to go MGoBloggers!
Outside of that, this is terrible news. Hope it turns out to be a false accusation. It is just better for everyone if no one got raped.
ctrl+F "Duke Lacrosse" only hits 6 times.
I'm shocked, normally people mention the Black Swan many more times than that.
Nov. 10th incident. Hmmmm, throw a blanket on this until we finish the undefeated season, play Michigan and serve our bowl ban. The break the news in March on the verge of March Madness. I thought Friday was the best time to break this stuff.