Rich Rod on Illinois game last year and wanting to coach
here is an article from Rich Rod about the crazy illinois game last year and his desire to coach again.
http://www.illinihq.com/sports/illini-sports/football/2011-11-10/asmuss…
November 11th, 2011 at 1:48 PM ^
What makes you think any major program would hire him after the Michigan debacle?
November 11th, 2011 at 1:50 PM ^
Oh no, not this again.
November 11th, 2011 at 1:51 PM ^
Because most universities understand it takes more than 3 years to begin to win big. It's the Bowden theory and it is true. Michigan wasn't a debacle as much as it was a screw job. If given an actual shot RR will win big. Reasonable people see that.
November 11th, 2011 at 2:01 PM ^
Apparently Michigan is not reasonable. Good Lord. The guy is a good coach, but it didn't work out at the winningest program in college football, reasonable people see that as well.
People assume that debacle automatically means "OMG he's trashing RR, KILL HIM". No, it was a failure on all parts, but this has been discussed ad nausem.
November 11th, 2011 at 2:03 PM ^
Thanks for bringing it up again, man.
It didn't work out because nobody gave him a reasonable chance. 3 years is nowhere near reasonable. Weis got 5. Zook is still going... Michigan is far from reasonable.
November 11th, 2011 at 2:08 PM ^
The thing I've always though was funny about Weis is that the reason he did get 5 was b/c he had some success in his first couple of years. The reason that is funny to me is b/c He was a recruiting machine compared to TW, one would think he would have gotten better after getting his own players in.
November 11th, 2011 at 2:33 PM ^
He couldn't use his schematic advantages advantageously.
November 11th, 2011 at 3:20 PM ^
The recruiting was there but not the player development. Coaching is not just Xs and Os, but also technique, fundamentals, etc. Schematically he was great at putting players where they needed to be, but he did not do enough to develop their skills .In any case, wouldn't ND have been better off canning Weis after 3 years instead of 5?
November 11th, 2011 at 2:08 PM ^
Yep, last year was essentially year 2 of his rebuilding, due to the mess that he came into in 2008. Yet despite year 2 being the "lose small" year according to the Bowden Theory of Winning Footbaww Games, he managed to post a winning record.
November 11th, 2011 at 3:02 PM ^
I was hoping Hoke was going to bring RR back as the OC. <BigGrin> That being said, I am happy with Borges and look forward to his 'year 3'.
November 11th, 2011 at 2:05 PM ^
We hear and understand your side of the argument but its starting to become:
November 11th, 2011 at 2:11 PM ^
That's one of the issues with this board. Someone asks a resonable question: Why do you think a major program would hire RR after MIchigan?
Instead of: Well, some people think he just didn't get enough tme and really would do well with say 5 years. Therefore, they would probably give him a chance.
People get: Fuck off, you're an RR hater. We get it, your a dick, etc etc. RR is my home boy for life!
I don't know, maybe it's just me.
November 11th, 2011 at 2:16 PM ^
Literally nobody typed anything like that at all.
Also "you're a dick" not "your a dick." Sorry, I had to. It makes my eye twitch.
November 11th, 2011 at 2:26 PM ^
I see YOU'RE an all purpose MGoPoliceman. Snarky combative comments and grammar police. Well done.
November 11th, 2011 at 5:32 PM ^
Another MGo-tough guy. Yawn.
November 11th, 2011 at 2:17 PM ^
No, no, I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. That question and discussion is definitely a good one - a very interesting topic. However, its been discussed numerous times, both intelligently and passionately. All I am saying is that I think we all know you're position (I have seen you state it several times) and there's no need to rehash all this again. No more good can come from it.
November 11th, 2011 at 3:30 PM ^
On an unrelated note, I notice you've changed your avatar, but I keep having issues every time I try to import a new pic. Do you know if it's Google Chrome related?
November 11th, 2011 at 2:18 PM ^
I can see where you are coming from, I just sensed a combative attitude from your posts about RR and like I mentioned up top this has played out many times on the board and some people that spend a lot of time on here will engage quickly when the bait is hanging there. Read my post up top to see where we are coming from.
November 11th, 2011 at 2:17 PM ^
Michigan wasn't reasonable.
November 11th, 2011 at 1:49 PM ^
I'm on page 245. I have been there for almost a week. It's hard to read through some of these heartbreaking loses again. I hope RR gets a great gig down south so we never need to face him unless we get in a bowl game.
November 11th, 2011 at 1:54 PM ^
that's the hardest part of this book... reliving the losses. i got through the first 100 or so pretty easily, then it started to get difficult
Skip Holtz to PSU, RR to USF, book it!
November 11th, 2011 at 1:58 PM ^
Thanks, that's insightful. I give you an imaginary plus 1 and a real "insightful" moderation. Good Day Sir!
November 11th, 2011 at 2:01 PM ^
Did you miss the part where Skip Holtz has his squad at 0-4 in the Big East? I don't see anyone clamoring to hire him this season.
November 11th, 2011 at 2:13 PM ^
Okay... Skip Holtz gets fired, USF hires RR ... OR
Al Golden leaves Miami for PSU, RR to the U.
Book it!!!!!!11111111111111
November 11th, 2011 at 4:18 PM ^
If RR was available last year I wonder if Miami hires him over Al Golden.
November 12th, 2011 at 7:39 AM ^
11/11/11 Joining date. You are going to be a legend around here I can just sense it!
November 11th, 2011 at 1:58 PM ^
I've stalled on page 206. I really, really do not want to read about the losses after starting out 2009 so well . . .
November 11th, 2011 at 2:03 PM ^
Yup, it's so GD hard to relive that. It's very well written so now it feels like I'm in the locker room with them. I slowed down at page 200 but was reading like 40-50 pages a day until then. That's a shitload of reading for me considering I have not read a book through since college which was 8 years ago.
November 11th, 2011 at 2:08 PM ^
I put that same kind of ban on reading for pleasure after school. I think it lasted well over 10 years but now I'm reading more regularly.
I must say that the first portion that covers Lloyd leaving, the search, and Rodriguez's start was entrancing. I learned so much about the inner-workings of a big-time football program from this book. Kudos to Bacon for the research and straightforward writing.
November 11th, 2011 at 2:20 PM ^
Yeah it was really entertaining. I was crying from laughter when I was reading the Barwis section. Somthing like I could simply just go back to my couch and whimper after the workouts!! LMFAO
November 11th, 2011 at 2:47 PM ^
Not that you care, but I tried the "40 Complex" in the gym earlier this week. (As a refresher, its 8 upright rows, 8 clean and jerks, 8 jerks, 8 clean and jerks, and 8 bent rows without letting the bar touch the ground.) I was able to do it with very light weight but it was brutal. I'm curious as to how much Bacon put on the bar.
November 11th, 2011 at 3:11 PM ^
Damn bro. Remind me not to tangle with you if I ever get drunk and beligerent. I played D2 Lax and lifted my ass off from 9th grade til I was a senior in in College and probably could not do that with the bar right now LOL
November 11th, 2011 at 4:22 PM ^
That 1500 Meter Race was a work out.
November 11th, 2011 at 4:10 PM ^
What the hell? You stopped reading for pleasure after college? You could read porn.
November 11th, 2011 at 4:15 PM ^
So that's what' they're calling it now.
November 11th, 2011 at 2:05 PM ^
I'm on the first season right now, but I didn't think it would be this hard to read. It makes it that much more difficult when you know the outcome of the game.
November 11th, 2011 at 2:23 PM ^
But I'm at 67% on my Kindle.
November 11th, 2011 at 4:07 PM ^
He strikes that kind of fear in most people. Dude can't recruit very well. Sorry
November 11th, 2011 at 1:48 PM ^
"It was like, 'The first one to 67 is a winner,' " he said.
Haha, that was a great line.
November 11th, 2011 at 1:57 PM ^
I also lol'd at this:
"I've learned the media side better, which is always a good thing."
Well, actually I didn't so much lol as weep openly.
November 11th, 2011 at 1:55 PM ^
Man, I'm sure wherever he goes next he'll be great. I feel like Ole could be his best opportunity: they've got tradition, recognition for being in the SEC, access to southern recruits who fit his system the best. Then again, there is the general sleeziness of the SEC, but he could be a positive influencer.
November 11th, 2011 at 2:01 PM ^
I want Rodriguez to end up at a national power (outside the B1G obviously...), solely to see how high that offense can go. I have a feeling that if he went to Florida, Alabama, LSU, Texas, Oklahoma, etc. he could continue rewriting how college football is played. Obviously none of those schools have openings right now, but eventually I would love to watch that happen.
November 11th, 2011 at 2:05 PM ^
I just loved watching that offense work when it was clicking. RR's and Oregon's are the most entertaining in the nation BY FAR! Leach's at TT was cool but I like more rushing than passing.
November 11th, 2011 at 2:15 PM ^
One thing I always hated (and still do) about those offenses is when the players lineup without a huddle, get set, and then relax and look at the sideline for direction. I get the point of it, but for some reason that always bothered me. I feel like once the line is set, that should be it. If a defensive linemen went crashing through the line on that relaxation, I wonder how it would be called.
November 11th, 2011 at 2:23 PM ^
I think you need forward motion/aggression for it not to be called offsides or a neutral zone infraction on the D. Not sure but methinkso.
November 11th, 2011 at 6:13 PM ^
Michigan got Michigan State multiple times on that back in 2006. MSU was not happy that they were looking around to audible (arms in the air, "WTF?!" routine going), but MSU got called for offsides every time.
November 12th, 2011 at 12:56 PM ^
I will always be a fan of RR and will likely buy a whole second set of gear for whatever team he ends up at. I don't care if people commenting above think that is weird, he was a good man that was treated poorly from day one. He had his chance at UM, that is true, however that chance was undoubtedly diminished by a certain segment of the administration and fanbase that were against him from the start. Given that the margin for him staying/going was fairly close, we will never know if it was a determinant in the equation. Personally, I will always think that given budget for a decent/stellar DC and 1-2 more years, he would have built M into a national powerhouse with a modern scheme that would have been a dynasty. My opinion, you are welcome to yours.
I really would love to see him get another chance to 'do his thing' at a powerhouse program and enjoy the success that he deserves as a major innnovator for the game. I just hope to God he does not end up at OSU, then i would have to hate him, plus we would have to play against him and I really, really, do not want to have to do that.
November 11th, 2011 at 2:16 PM ^
Too bad he can't be our OC. I keep having this fantasy in my mind with Mattison on defense, Rich Rod on offense.
Obviously dream coaching team is obvious.