OSU receives Notice of Allegations from NCAA
The 13 page document indicates that the NCAA might actually consider OSU a repeat violator because it was still on probation stemming from previous violations within the football and men's basketball programs. Very bad news.
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2011/04/25/0425-ohi…
April 25th, 2011 at 11:54 AM ^
IMO, it's because the NCAA is afraid to bring down the hammer against The Vest and tsio. I base my opinion on what I perceive to be a spineless move of not charging him with "a failure to promote an atmosphere of compliance."
April 25th, 2011 at 11:57 AM ^
They did hit him with the more serious 10.1 though. That's the most damming personal charge they can bring. Now that I've read UV, it seems that Brian is under the impression Tressel will be gone too, FWIW.
I think this is just too blatant for them to be worried.
April 25th, 2011 at 12:26 PM ^
I thought that Tressel wouldn't get anything worse than a five game suspension from a thirteen game season because Bruce Pearl got seven or eight games from a thirty-odd game season. A quick Google search, though, shows that Pearl was suspended by the SEC for those 7-8 games, not the NCAA. The NCAA has yet to rule on Pearl's alleged 10.1 violation.
I still believe that OSU will fire Tressel only if they are forced to. You may be right, though, that the NCAA will do just that.
April 25th, 2011 at 12:41 PM ^
I really think they'll be forced to. Only one coach in history has been found guilty of a 10.1 violation and not received a show-cause. That was Herron, who was out of coaching by the time the NCAA ruled. Unless Tress retires, he's gone, IMO.
April 25th, 2011 at 12:55 PM ^
OSU fans are generally a bunch of fickle second-guessers who assume that any season that doesn't end in a national champsionship is one in which the coach messed up. Within that context, though, Tressel has built up a ton of political capital. Only the reincarnation of Woody Hayes could be more popular.
Even though logic tells me it could well happen, my jaw will drop a little if I ever see OSU fire Tressel.
April 25th, 2011 at 12:59 PM ^
They have some crazy ass fans, yes. I do agree it's both logical and seems unlikely; it's a weird situation.
The NCAA has the final say though, and while it doesn't exactly inspire confidence, at least it's not the big OSU donors/a president who makes jokes about being fired by an employee calling the shots anymore.
So the NCAA has the power to can jt or force the school to do what is right.
The NCAA can issue a "show-cause" penalty. This means that the school needs to a) fire Tressel or b) appear before the Committee on Infractions and show a cause to keep employing him. Basically they would need to make the case that he really isn't all that bad.
Nobody has ever gone through the appeal process, and even Tressel would probably have the dignity to resign before it got to that point. So yes, effectively the NCAA can end Tressel's (or any coach's) career.
Edited to add that this is the standard punishment for a 10.1 violation, the one the NCAA charged Tressel with today, and the one he admitted at the initial press conference.
Thanks for the clarification. Basically if jt doesn't get fired there is no justice in this world.
April 25th, 2011 at 12:28 PM ^
Because this is the progression:
1. revealed as a Liar
2. media, fans, opponents, and his players have lost respect for him (inevitable)
3. game losses come next
4. TSIO finds itself in the position of having surrendered its integrity for less than a NC-caliber team - that's long, long term devastation for the university.
They'll rally around each other as team... for a while. This type of thing cuts to the core - when you don't respect your leader, it's all over in team sports. When the losses come, this thing implodes.
But they're going to broom him.
April 25th, 2011 at 12:14 PM ^
No justice in this world.
April 25th, 2011 at 11:31 AM ^
Jim Tressel is a LIAR and CHEAT and always has been going back to his days at Youngstown State. His "ACT" of being ethical is ONE BIG FRAUD and SCAM..Hes found ways out of many NCAA jams by parsing words ala Bill Clinton. Its about time the NCAA did something about him .
OSUs anything to win culture is clear and evident to anyone with half a brain.. The OSU Pres and AD are big liars and cheats as well..I hope they all fall on their sword until they do OSU will be nothing more than Liars and cheaters in most peoples minds..
April 25th, 2011 at 12:19 PM ^
of the political spectrum, that may be a more sweeping indictment of corruption in American life than the OP understood that he was making.
April 25th, 2011 at 11:33 AM ^
Interesting (IMO) read from Deadspin (I know...), "Jim Tressel is the Perfect Coach"
http://deadspin.com/#!5795313/jim-tressel-is-the-perfect-coach
April 25th, 2011 at 11:52 AM ^
Thanks for sharing.
But, let's all be adults here and admit that Deadspin is a very successful blog (one of the most successful, actually), and that some of their stuff is crap, while other stuff is genius.
Yes, you have to wade through the crap to get to the genius. But to act like it's some form of Bleacher Report is hysterical.
I agree with you, in fact i have been quite impressed over the past few months with how much better their writing has become. The I know parenthetical was more due to how they handled our NCAA investigation at the start than a comment on the blog in general.
April 25th, 2011 at 11:59 AM ^
They say that "only small time programs self report violations" yet OSU leads (or is close to the top) in self reporting violations.
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<br>I'm just going to assume it was a satiric article.
April 25th, 2011 at 11:51 AM ^
I have to ask.... How in the HELL is the coach put on blast by the NCAA without a Failure to Monitor and/or Failure of Institutional Control? This makes no sense and further blemishes the ever growing black eye that is the NCAA.
April 25th, 2011 at 11:59 AM ^
Good bye Jimmy
April 25th, 2011 at 12:30 PM ^
to see some decomits? I'm curious.
Nah. Too much uncertainty for now and such a powerhouse program, sadly.
April 25th, 2011 at 12:37 PM ^
If there is any coach at any program in the country that could survive a 10.1 Violation without termination, it is clearly Jim Tressel.
Haven't I read/heard somewhere that roaches will be one of the few things to survive a disaster that might hit the planet? 'nough said!
April 25th, 2011 at 12:45 PM ^
How much would it hurt THE game, if OSU's program is destroyed. Our recent decline has already taken a little glimmer off of the prominence of it. It is still the best rivalry in sports, but how much better would it be if games like 2006 could happen more often?
I don't know exactly what I want the NCAA to come down on them with. Thoughts?
April 25th, 2011 at 12:55 PM ^
Cake or death?
Well played, sir.
What else could it have been?
Nope, you said death...
April 25th, 2011 at 12:47 PM ^
There must have been a failure to monitor or lack of institutional control...It seems that if a coach can completely ignore the Compliance Department, then that's precisely a lack of control. The lack of charges against the overall program would leave the impression that Michigan's 20-minutes of strecthing were worse than the OSU ordeal. Crazy.
I hate tsio as much as the next guy, but what do you expect their compliace department to do?
"Hey Jim, have you seen anything suspcious lately?"
"Golly, no I haven't. How was your easter?"
"Are you suuuuuure?"
"Yes. How was your easter?"
"Are you sure you're sure?"
"How much do you like having a job in the state of Ohio?"
*thinking either DERP or "it makes me want to kill myself"* "Have a good one Jim!"
The coach is (of course) a major part of the program. He, without doubt, failed to foster an atmosphere of compliance. He monitored...but he was monitoring bad behavior. What should the Compliance Dept do? They could have sorted out a better response before the liar-liar press conference. That farce made it clear that Compliance had no role at OSU.
April 25th, 2011 at 12:47 PM ^
Reading the things the NCAA is asking tsio to provide is very fun. recommend it. Also, it seems like they are going to make tsio spill their guts on all of the dealings with Sarniak and Cicero which should be interesting. I think they could be in some deep shit here
And instead I found the Black Knight yelling "it's just a flesh wound:"
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2011/04/ohio-state-presented-with-notice-of-allegations#comments
I absolutely love that gif...so appropriate for the next 5-6 mos. I just wish there was some way that we could make the red leather blue, and the black trim maize. That would be sweet.
April 26th, 2011 at 11:55 AM ^
If there's one person who could do it, it would be Chunkums...
The rumor floating around down here (Columbus) is that someone within the Athletic Department not named Gordon Gee or Gene Smith knew about the allegations. This would go a long way towards the NCAA revising their notice of allegations to include lack of institutional control.
This rumor comes from the same group that told me about the "Tat 5" four days before it came out. Some of their details were off the first time around, so as the title suggests, take this FWIW.
ps- LOVE being down here while this is going on (maybe the only time I can enjoy being a UM fan down here in recent years)
tOSU: "Mr. Rodriguez, would care to intervew for our recently opened coaching position?"
RichRod: "Hmm.. Good program, beat UM every year"
tOUS: "Thats right"
RichRod: "So I can embarass UM of every year"
tOSU: "It is encouraged"
RichRod: "So what you are saying is that I can have my cake and eat it too?"
tOSU: "Yes"
RichRod: "Can I be merciless in my revenge?"
tOSU: "Depends how far you go, blood letting is not allowed, however whitewashes can be the norm"
RichRod: "Oh hell yah."
Why would osu hir rr after the terrible job he just did at u of m? Your post makes no sense to me.
And the Cowboys are bringing Matt Millen in for an interview...
If OSU wants to hire a guy that lost 75% of his Big Ten games and displayed little to no understanding of the defensive side of the ball, I'm all for it.
Robert Smith is not very close with OSU. He had fairly public dispute with them a number of years back about his perception that he was steered away from taking hard classes while he was on the football team...I'm not arguing that his prediction is wrong.
It very much seems, though, like Gene Smith is loyal to Tressel. Also, Spielman has shown himself to be a pretty independent voice for a long time. Robert Smith, as I said, seemingly left the reservation a long time ago.
I think Gene Smith was trying to explain why their PR had been so bad. He definitely covered his own backside to some extent with what he said about Tressel. Generally, though, he seems to know that OSU's bread is buttered by Tressel's consistent winning...It's my impression, and nothing more, that OSU as an institution doesn't perceive its interests as being very much divergent from Tressel's. I only see them firing him when the NCAA pries him from their cold, dead hands.
Tressel since the first year Tressel was here, so I don't know that he's really that relevant. Herbie decided a while ago that his career would be helped by playing the anti-OSU OSU alum. IIRC, back in 2003/2004, he said that he'd never advise a player to go to OSU because they'd have no chance of an NFL career as long as Tressel was there. Fun fact: a neighbor of his in Upper Arlington says that Herbie didn't leave because of fans. Herbie left because Mrs. Herbie found out about Herbie's girlfriend. He'd also been feuding with various levels of government over taxes.