Trust in Dave Brandon

Submitted by BlueintheLou on

This is getting out of control. Believe me, I am as frustrated as the next guy. Watching the game yesterday, in conjunction with every time they mentioned not winning since 2003, made me sick, actually. I know we as fans love to speculate until we hear an actual decision about anything on this board. This team has had a rough year, they showed signs of potential greatness, but coupled that with signs of regression. That leaves us as a fanbase in quite a quandary, because in year 3 of a new regime, we had expected and hoped to see something further along.

I come here with a plea for us as a fanbase, at least the rational ones, to just let this play out. Brandon has repeatedly said he will evaluate after the season. I love mgoblog, but I do not want to sit here all month long reading new posts about Harbaugh or any other potential coach/DC we might see. Can we please just trust Mr. Brandon to make the right decision for the future of this program. I have been an RR fan through thick and thin, and part of me still wants him back because I think he can succeed, but ultimately, I am putting my trust in Dave Brandon to make a good decision to put this program on the right trajectory for the long term. So, that the Michigan brand rises back to where it belongs and so that the product on the field is contention, every year. Dave Brandon will get it done, with whomever it may be, RR, or moving a different direction.

In Dave Brandon I trust, and so should all of us. Good luck boys, let's get some solid practices in before the bowl game.

Vasav

November 28th, 2010 at 12:30 PM ^

If he decides to go in another direction, it means the program is on the wrong trajectory. Which means I'll steel mysef for another messy transition, but trust Brandon that it's for the best in the long term.

If he decides to stick with Rod, it means the program is on the right track. And then my expectations ramp up next year. When we have juniors and seniors dominating the two deep, I expect 10 wins, including wins over Sparty and OSU, and I expect a Big Ten title.

And I don't expect another losing season during Rod's tenure here, and expect every senior class to have at least one Big Ten title.

If Brandon thinks that's within reach he'll stick with Rod. If it's a pipe dream, Rod will go. If RR goes and we win 10 next year, I'll think Brandon made the wrong decision, and hope the new guy is worth the foundation that's been buit for him.

um09inohio

November 28th, 2010 at 12:30 PM ^

I trust in Dave Brandon to make the right decision as to who Michigan's 2011 HC should be, but I question whether he should be waiting until after the bowl game to make that decision.

He should have enough information to make a decision at this point and it seems unlikely that anything which might happen in the bowl game would sway his opinion one way or the other.

I think waiting until the bowl game is over will have a negative impact on recruiting regardless of whether RR ultimately stays or goes.  During the month or so between today and our bowl game, any recruit talking to Michigan will be wondering if the coaches they are talking to today will be around in a month, that puts Michigan at a serious disadvantage.  If RR goes and assuming the new coach runs a different system, the new coach will have approximately one month between his hiring and signing day, in which he will have to re-solidify the commitments of any recruit that RR had secured and also locate, recruit and sign as many players as possible that fit the new system.  I'd prefer to give a new coach an extra month to work on that task

It is silly to make a decision as important as the one facing Dave Brandon based on individual recruits that may or may not come to Michigan, but I don't see how the outcome of the bowl game could change his decision and consequently, I don't really see any benefit associated with making the decision after the bowl game.

dahblue

November 28th, 2010 at 12:40 PM ^

You raise a very good point.  Brandon knows what he is going to do.  The bowl game doesn't matter, but recruits waiting in limbo will matter.  Opposing coaches will throw the "hot seat" line until RR's bag is packed.  I imagine, however, that Brandon knows this well.  Is he just waiting until after the bowl game of another team?  Are there tampering concerns with NCAA coaching searches?  The "after the bowl game" line likely has nothing to do with the actual decision.

jcgold

November 28th, 2010 at 12:43 PM ^

I agree completely.  Waiting until after the bowl game puts our potential next coach at a huge disadvantage, and leads to a longer recovery time.

That's why I believe DB has already made up his mind.  He's a really smart guy, and knows exactly what he'd  be doing waiting until after a bowl game.

I believe in DB and so should you.

Champ Kind

November 28th, 2010 at 12:45 PM ^

Perhaps he is leaning towards keeping RR and hoping to god the team shows up in the bowl game, so he can justify his choice to the ANGAR side of the fanbase.

Perhaps he is leaning towards letting RR go and wants to pay a cheaper buyout (I've heard that it takes a drop after Jan 1st but that could be a total lie).

Perhaps he is trying to gauge Harbaugh's interest and move on from there.  Everything is pure speculation at this point, but I'm sure he's thought it through and has his reasons.  He might feel like many of us and he truly is still unsure of the decision and wants to gather more facts.  This is pretty huge, so I'm hoping he does all due diligence beforehand. 

CrankThatDonovan

November 28th, 2010 at 2:51 PM ^

Let's say Michigan goes to the Insight Bowl, which is December 28th.  That is 30 days from now.  If Michigan was to fire Rich Rodriguez and hire Jim Harbaugh by the end of the week, that would mean there are 25 days until the bowl game.  Let's say it takes Harbaugh a few days to find his assistants.  After all, some of his current Stanford assistants will make the trip with him, but one or two will likely decline.  He may even want to interview a few of Michigan's current assistants, like Fred Jackson. 

So, by the time Harbaugh has a staff in place, Michigan is probably only 15-20 days from the bowl, and that's if there are basically no snags in putting together a staff.  That is a very small window to fit in introductory player meetings, new weight room routines, new practice habits, etc. 

So, Even if Michigan has 15 practices in 15 days (which would be crazy, considering finals are throughout the second and third weeks of this month), they would still maybe, maybe get ten worthwhile practices in once introductory stuff is taken care of.  They would then fly to Tempe and play a Big 12 team who has 2 or 3 losses and has been a unit all year.  Michigan would be running a very basic, very new system on offense and defense.  It would be an absolute slaughter.  Any potential progress that had been made in those 10 practices would be for naught.  That does not sound like fun to me, and that is why Brandon will wait until after the bowl, no matter what*.

*Obviously, an interim coach would change things, but then you still don't bring in the new coach to take advantage of those 15 practices.

um09inohio

November 28th, 2010 at 3:00 PM ^

If we bring in any new coach not running RR's system before the bowl, it will be helpful to get that practice time with the team in order to begin implementing the new system.  Those practices would certainly be more helpful than it would be for the team to practice in RR's system and then have him fired after the bowl, in which case those practices would be of no help in implementing the new system.

dahblue

November 29th, 2010 at 9:56 AM ^

First, no one blames RR for any loses prior to his taking over the team.  That's a joke.  RR-loyalists, however, blame Carr for loses once RR took over the team...and still blame him, to this day, for the failings of our defense.  That's the difference here.  RR-loyalists have become blind to reality.  

Wolverine318

November 29th, 2010 at 10:58 AM ^

Rich didn't recruit those players on the defense. So how is it is his fault again? How is it Rich's fault Mallet saw his path to the most success would be at a proset school with an opening at QB like Arkansas? Or I guess it was Rich's fault for not bending his practice demands so Boren could go plow snow or offer a scholly to his little brother just for nepotism sake. 

I find the most ardent RR critics will find any little fault and blow it up while stretching the truth. 

Wolverine318

November 29th, 2010 at 10:59 AM ^

Rich didn't recruit those players on the defense. So how is it is his fault again? How is it Rich's fault Mallet saw his path to the most success would be at a proset school with an opening at QB like Arkansas? Or I guess it was Rich's fault for not bending his practice demands so Boren could go plow snow or offer a scholly to his little brother just for nepotism sake. 

I find the most ardent RR critics will find any little fault and blow it up while stretching the truth. 

Seth9

November 28th, 2010 at 12:45 PM ^

Brandon's decision will not be based on what is posted on what we think or what we write on Michigan Message Boards. Does that mean that we shouldn't express our opinion on the issues surrounding the team?

Furthermore, why should we trust Dave Brandon? I mean, he's done well with regards to things like managing the practice-based NCAA issues, looking at facility improvements, and dealing with the press. but at the same time, he advocates for the BCS and supported putting Michigan and Ohio State in separate divisions. So no, I'm not going to blindly trust his judgment.

Seth9

November 29th, 2010 at 2:40 AM ^

So we should be grateful that he only supported partially emasculating the rivalry over a shaky set of financial considerations then?

I'm not saying that Brandon is going to make a bad decision with regard to the Rodriguez or the football program in general. But I am saying that he does not deserve our blind faith. And we certainly shouldn't forgo discussing a critical question for the future of the program out of faith that the university will make the right call.

Knappster

November 28th, 2010 at 12:48 PM ^

We all trust in Dave Brandon, but mgoblog is meant for discussion.  We are here to talk about UM, not just sit and wait for DB to make a decision.  So, let's continue discussion about the team, coaches, players, opponents, etc.

oakapple

November 28th, 2010 at 1:02 PM ^

I realize that the decision is Brandon’s, and he won’t consult mgoblog before making it.

But why exactly should we “trust” Brandon, any more than we trust Brendan Gibbons to make a FG, or Vincent Smith to convert on 3rd & short, or Greg Robinson to call the right defense? We don’t have a say in any of those decisions, but that doesn’t mean we trust them.

Brandon seems to be a decent enough guy. He has made a few fan-friendly moves, and hasn’t screwed up anything I’m aware of. Nevertheless, he is new to the position. He hasn’t proven himself to be the Second Coming of Don Canham.

I will, of course, be watching what he does. That doesn’t mean I necessarily trust what he does. Trust is earned.

Abe Froman

November 28th, 2010 at 4:07 PM ^

Dave Brandon has earned my trust.

He did so by staying under Bo.

He did so by becoming a Regent of the University, continuing this institution's legacy.

And he did so by turning around a Fortune 500 company, based here in Michigan.

This guy doesn't seem to understand the word "fail."

Athletic Prowess.  Administrative skill. Business Acumen.  You could not have dreamed up a better candidate for this job. 

MGoAndy

November 28th, 2010 at 1:07 PM ^

I'm not sure why we should all blindly trust Brandon.  We've known the guy as AD for less than a year.  Sure, I'm pretty confident he won't do something stupid, but why should I trust him?

EDIT: Oakapple beat me to the punch and did it more eloquently.

New Carr

November 28th, 2010 at 1:06 PM ^

The cyclical nature of college football....following the karmic flows, yin yang, universal balance, etc, etc has in a sense benn restored......

OSU-Mich is the ultimate rivalry, a microcosm of the balance of forces....fire-water, black-white....you get the point.

 

(2-10-1  Cooper) + (9-1 Vest) =  11-11-1

 

In a sense, it was inevitable....unfortunate, but inevitable.

Bobby Boucher

November 28th, 2010 at 1:22 PM ^

Although I have no doubt that DB will make the right call, but indecision at this point has to be hurting recruiting.  If RR is going to be the HC next season (which I think is the right call) DB needs to send that message to the potential recruits.  Waiting until January to make that decision is just going to fuel the anti-RR media fire and we are going to pay for it with negative recruiting.  I realize it's a very important decision for the AD, but it's frustrating to watch the situation go from bad to worse.

Ben from SF

November 29th, 2010 at 2:50 AM ^

It would be incredibly difficult to keep 14 commits and their families silent on the fate of the man who will control their next 4-5 years.

I would expect Brandon to make a definitive announcement within the next two weeks.  

pullin4blue

November 28th, 2010 at 1:58 PM ^

I actually think Brandon has faced a similar decision before. Brandon was faced with the fact that many people were unhappy with Domino's pizza. He personally got involved in every level of pizza production and delivery. He made sure he knew everything about the entire process, then he developed test kitchens at Domino's and began to fix what was wrong. He was faced with saving the brand or losing market share.

Now, he has a similar situation. He has already said that one of his main goals is to begin to increase the marketing of the "Michigan" brand. How can he do this when many people are unhappy with what that brand currently represents? He is doing very similar things with the athletic department. He is learning every aspect of the product. He is now involved in the recruiting process, he attends practices and meetings, he goes with the team to review film, all so that he can see if the problem is the process or the individuals involved in the process or the athletes themselves.

Once he has all of the information, he will make his decision. Unfortunately, there isn't a test kitchen for coaching, so here he will be a little out of his element, but I don't think it will matter much. By the time he announces his decision he will have met with the student athletes, conducted "exit interviews", met with donors, administration and regents and will have a plan of action. If this includes replacing the head coach, I would bet that he announces the departure and hiring of a new coach at the same time. The business of a coach search will not be done in the media spotlight and it will not be tainted by Herbstriet, and others.

I am a firm supporter of RR, but I am a bigger supporter of David Brandon, and I am happy that I am not the one that has to make this decision, but I trust it will be the right one. 

AMazinBlue

November 28th, 2010 at 2:34 PM ^

He knows when to talk and when to be quiet and evaluate the evidence and the possibilities.  I like that he has been on the field for the first and foureth quarters of games this year.  He has a good feel for the pulse of the players and the staff.  He also has a good feel for those thast donate large sums of money and help keep the AD running  $$-wise.  There are many factorsthat go into this decision, not just wins and losses.  In the end though, the AD is a business and college football is a business, much moreso than when Bo was here and when DB played.   Having a relevant, winning and historical program that fills all those seats and suites is No. 1 on DB's list.  I think we can "trust" that he will consider all the factors in his decision.

That being said, can he gauge the near future on the recent past and then "see" what should occur down the road with the current staff or a significant shift toward what the foundation that made the program what it is?

Tough call either way, but if he gets his ducks in a row soon enough, DB can minimize the losses.