Some Banter/Perspective From Former Players
I am hesitant to post this, but I think it's a good perspective to see what some former players have to say about the reactions of the Michigan community. These are pulled from social media and I have left out names for obvious reasons.
"What people do not understand is that the players will take a bigger hit than any of the staff members. The transition wasn't easy from 2010-2011, but nobody outside of the program has a clue as to what we went through. I'm sure they couldn't care less as long as they can get stone drunk and brag to their buddies that "their" team won."
"The so called "fans" and students claim that they want to support the team and want what is best for the program. They are the same jack wagons posting articles and fb statuses portraying their "disgust" of the university. In the grand scheme of things they are hurting that team more than anything adding fuel to the media fire. If you truly want to support the team, shut your collective mouths. Show up to games and cheer not boo."
October 1st, 2014 at 4:12 PM ^
that beat us by double digits at home just lost to Washington State. The same WSU that lost at home to our next opponent, Rutgers.
October 1st, 2014 at 9:05 PM ^
- Middle Tennessee 50, Western Kentucky 47
- Western Kentucky 59, Bowling Green 31
- Bowling Green 45, Indiana 42
- Indiana 31, Missouri 27
- Missouri 21, South Carolina 20
- South Carolina 38, Georgia 35
- Georgia 45, Clemson 21
- Florida St. 23, Clemson 17 (OT). If only.
October 1st, 2014 at 11:30 AM ^
"If you truly want to support the team, shut your collective mouths."
I'll do both when they WIN GAMES. I mean, this is Michigan, fergodskes, right?
WIN... That's what we're supposed to do. The roster is stacked; there are no more excuses. You can't get BLOWN OUT by Notre Dame in the final game of the series after taunting them as "chickens" and expect to retain your job here.
October 1st, 2014 at 11:24 AM ^
October 1st, 2014 at 11:43 AM ^
Denard might be spot on, but it misses the point. Hoke might be the best guy in the world, but he has no control over the program. I might love my blind brother, but I'll be damned if I let him drive my car.
October 1st, 2014 at 2:11 PM ^
Incorrect. Hoke's flaw isn't that he doesn't have control over the program. He does. His players love him. His flaw is just being a mediocre coach, who's had the same misfortune that afflicted RR by hiring coordinators on the opposite side of the ball from his expertise who have all failed miserably.
October 1st, 2014 at 2:49 PM ^
Don't you think that's a bit of revisionist history re: Borges, Nussmeir, and Mattison? I had issues with Borges and offensive gameplans for some of the losses but we still had two record setting QBs under him and put up the stats.
Also, one of the gripes against RR was making his D-coordinators run a scheme (3-3-5) that they weren't familiar with - do we have any indication Hoke does this?
October 1st, 2014 at 4:18 PM ^
why are we paying Mattison close to a million dollars to be D coordinator. Brady Hoke is a dline coach at this level period. I'm not even going to get into the manball BS and bringing a west coast offense guy with him.
October 1st, 2014 at 11:32 AM ^
October 1st, 2014 at 11:36 AM ^
In all due respect the same group of people complaining that they have to PAY for tickets to enter the stadium should not be surprised or upset at the rest of us complaining that Brandon has made those same tickets & gameday experience unrealisticly expense and artificial.
October 1st, 2014 at 11:42 AM ^
October 1st, 2014 at 12:21 PM ^
I had season tix as a student, then went to a handful of games each year out of college, then as the team got worse I went to the opener and maybe one or two other games. This year, I haven't been to a game yet. Part of it is getting older, but part of it is just no desire to go anymore.
October 1st, 2014 at 12:55 PM ^
October 1st, 2014 at 1:02 PM ^
I don't think you know what a monopoly is. Football entertainment is the commodity. There are 32 professional teams (brands), hundreds of college-level teams, and thousands of high school teams. At any point, someone can decide to root for another team, attend their games, and buy their merchandise. Your statement is like saying that people who only buy Apple products aren't going to buy Android or Microsoft products, Apple is a monopoly for raising their prices to meet the demand. The fact that you aren't willing to cut ties with a product you've supported as it has become overpriced and the quality has degraded does not mean that it is a monopoly.
October 1st, 2014 at 1:19 PM ^
October 1st, 2014 at 2:16 PM ^
Ok. That's a fair statement. I guess I just hear "monopoly" get over-used so much now that I just have an itchy trigger finger.
Also, I can tell you for a fact that Brandon took the waiting list for season tickets as a sign that he could do anything that he wanted. Now that the waiting list has evaporated, I wonder how he perceives.
October 1st, 2014 at 12:09 PM ^
I feel bad for all of you that have internalized Michigan football so much that its success or failure affects you so deeply. It has you now, the hooks are deep, and you can't get out. Like an addiction, you'll keep paying and attending games only to be disappointed and won't like yourself for doing so.
You'd do much better to adopt another team this season, find a new hobby, spend time outdoors or with family than being so wrapped up in something that you don't play a part in. Showing that you're willing to walk away is the greatest trump card of all.
October 1st, 2014 at 12:18 PM ^
October 1st, 2014 at 1:12 PM ^
You, sir, can go eat a burrito. How dare you come on here and suggest we do something productive with our Saturdays and down time at work.
For real tho, I feel bad for you for not being as much as a fan as the rest of us. Some might call it being a BANDWAGON fan, have fun cheering for another team. Go shove a burrito into your arse hole.
October 1st, 2014 at 12:16 PM ^
with a packed Big House every week and fans cheering their asses off, he's still 2-10. Does it really matter if there are 112,000 fans there or 98,000? No. Does someone's facebook status lead to to more wins? No. I mean I get it, what they're saying, but it really doesn't matter when it comes down to on-field game performance.
October 1st, 2014 at 12:24 PM ^
including Michael Taylor and Desmond, who feel differently. It should come as no surprise that a lot of former players instinctively move to protec the school they love. Doesn't mean, at the end of the day, that Brandon or Hoke serve the entire university's best interests. After all--though their opinions and contribution want respecting--the team is everyone's, not just theirs. Especially its future.
October 1st, 2014 at 12:30 PM ^
I'm sorry, I'm all for supporting the players, but how else (besides meaningless petitions) can we show our discontent for the leaders of our beloved program? By showing up and cheering, MFer PLEASE! Anyone who pays $65 a game(or $2.50 for two cokes), and sees less than 100yds of offense and horrible defense, is justified in booing the whole dang program.
Have these guys seen the product on the field? Whats THEIR excuse for why we look like a poorly coached JV team.
As much as I miss my Grandpa (RIP), I am SOOOOOO glad he is not alive to witness what UofM football has become, he would be ashamed and beside himself.
October 1st, 2014 at 2:05 PM ^
but neither opinion has much validity.
To the first man I say this: What difference does a difficult transition make when the status quo is gross underachievement? Is this person suggesting that we continue on this race to the bottom because the players will have to suffer through a difficult period of adjustment?
As to the second guy. My suggestion to him is to kindly STFU. The fans are the reason the program exists. We the fan have every right to demand success. Afterall, it is we who pay out the money that funds the program. The audacity of this guy to tell us to shut our mouths is 100% pure Maize and Blue hubris.
What we don't have the right to do is to insult or harass the players. We don't have the right to invade their privacy, to mock them, to strip them of their humanity. The same goes for the coaches.
It is this last paragraph where we the fans fail. We too often resort to name calling or belitting. We too often transgress the line of acceptable expression of discontent and that needs to stop. We the fans need to be better. We need to demand as much of ourselves in how we comport ourselves in the stands and on the internet as we do the players and coaches on the field.
October 1st, 2014 at 12:45 PM ^
we've come full circle.
We're in the bizarro RR years, where defense is good and the offense is comically bad; now its the fans hate the coach and the ex-players support him. Seems to me the Athletic Department isnt the only thing broken these days...
October 1st, 2014 at 1:36 PM ^
Let's be frank here and call out this bullshit.
A lot of the former players threw a bitch fit when Rich Rod was hired and tried to torpedo him at every turn while he was here. They reacted gleefully when he was fired and we signed on two of their "MICHIGAN MEN," Dave Brandon and Brady Hoke. Now that Hoke and Brandon are failing and embarrassing the university on a level that surpasses even Rich Rod, the former players all have egg on their faces. Suddenly they want us to have "patience," something they never granted Rich Rod. I find it quite comical that they are marching out a lot of the same arguments and excuses they wouldn't abide under the Rodriguez regime.
The bottom line is, they threw a monumental bitch fit and borderline submarined the program under coach Rod in order to bring in their hand picked guys, and the last thing they want to admit is that their precious "MICHIGAN MEN" have failed. It makes them look like (GASP!) maybe they don't have the slightest clue what they're talking about.
It's one thing to know how to play football. There are thousands upon thousands of guys walking around that know how to do that. It's another to know how to build an entire program that is consistently able to compete at the highest levels of the sport, while maintaining integrity. Not a whole lot of those guys walking around.
October 1st, 2014 at 2:43 PM ^
Former players --"they"--are as unknown to you as to me, and to the rest of the readers of this blog. But you think you are among the chosen few who understand "how to build an entire program . . . while maintaining integrity." You know who they are because they are not we.
Because you have the second sight?
October 1st, 2014 at 8:57 PM ^
Do you understand English? Because if you don't that's the only way I can begin to comprehend just how insanely stupid this post was.
Where in my post did I say or imply that I'm one of the chosen few?
I'll wait.
I mean, did you seriously glean from this post that I'm putting myself on the level of Nick Saban or Urban Meyer? That is impossibly dumb.
October 1st, 2014 at 12:59 PM ^
October 1st, 2014 at 1:11 PM ^
People forget, this isn't Hoke's first time coaching at Michigan. Those former players, the Glen Steele's of the world, they LOVE him like a father.
I see nothing wrong with their remarks. If you all played for Hoke and won B1G and National Championships with him, you'd feel the same damn way.
He was perfectly fine as a DL coach, that's what he is...he's a damn good one.
He's not a DL coach right now.
October 1st, 2014 at 2:01 PM ^
October 1st, 2014 at 3:51 PM ^
If Michigan fans accept the quality of performances that this team is giving you on that field, then you accept being a Big Ten bottom feeder. Learders and Best, huh?
There are a lot more vocal former players that do not share their point of view, in the spirit of freeness can you please post a couple of those?
October 1st, 2014 at 9:02 PM ^
Reading that statement reminds me a bad cop movie when the cop is "too close" to a case to see things objectively. I am not saying that the players shouldn't have a voice or an opinion but they need to understand why we may take it grain of salt.