TheLastHarbaugh

November 5th, 2014 at 10:40 PM ^

Look, everyone on the blog has called me a Trey hater since he got to the NBA, but that's because (IMO) I've done a fair job of comparing him to KCP and have taken the positions they play into context. I also happen to be a lot higher on KCP's potential given his strong defense. 

In my honest opinion Trey best case scenario in the NBA is being an amazing third guard, who comes into games and can run the offense for stretches of time while being extremely clutch. Given the depth of talent at PG and the returns thus far in his career I don't think he has what it takes to be a top 10 or even top15 PG. Keep in mind it's far and away the deepest position in the NBA. 

I think KCP can be a top 10 or 15 SG in the league. If he can make 37-40% of his 3s and play very good defense, that's enough to get him into that sort of position given the relative weakness of the 2 guard spot in the league.

People can agree to disagree. 

I've always maintained (and you can look up my post history) that Timmy is the guy the Pistons should feel bad about not drafting (as opposed to Trey). I've always been way higher on Timmy's potential as an NBA player. He has all of the tools.

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A2MIKE

November 6th, 2014 at 10:01 AM ^

In my opinion, you are making the wrong comparison.  THJ and KCP are much more comparable since they play the same position and have similar roles.  Trey is being asked to do something completely different than KCP, in that he handles the ball on nearly every possession. Furthermore, every night he goes against some of the very best players in the league, to your point. 

If you want to compare Burke to a Pistons player it has to be Jennings, Augustin or Siva.  For my money, Burke is the better value, as he is a slightly less efficient player than Jennings at about 33% of the cost.  Jennings last year 37/34/75 with a 3/1 A/TO ratio with an ORTG of 106 at 7.5 million last year.  Burke had 38/33/90 with a 3/1 A/TO ratio with an ORTG 101 at 2.5 million last year. 

Either way there was not the greatest value in either pick, which is syptematic of the Dumars era.  Good player, but not a good value (i.e. Smith and his contract and countless other examples).

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bronxblue

November 6th, 2014 at 12:24 PM ^

Burke is a competent NBA PG, but I don't see him being a long term starter on a contender. he'd be a good second team guard, but he just isn't quick enough defensively to be laying a team with his inconsistent shot. that said, there are worse things in the world than being very good at your job and being paid millions for it.

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TheLastHarbaugh

November 5th, 2014 at 10:38 PM ^

Except Melo didn't have a pulse because the Pistons did and excellent job of knocking him off his spots and playing team defense, like they've done in the previous 3 games.

SVG is an excellent coach, and is known for always having top tier defensive teams. Thus far the early returns have been true to SVG form.

The Pistons have been one of the best defensive teams in the NBA. Their rotations have been crisp and clean. They've been constantly hustling on D. They're a borderline playoff team and years away from contention, but Yeezus, man. It's the NBA. It's difficult to build a winner. Give it time. We have one of the very best coaches in the game at the helm. We have a lot of young talent.

We're also down two key players (Jodie Meeks and Cartier Martin) who are both long range shooters, which the Pistons desperately need. If those guys were in the rotation I bet we'd see less of J-Smoove and his 2-344 shooting self.

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MGoChippewa

November 5th, 2014 at 10:44 PM ^

he's easily the most untradeable player in the league.  That ship sailed this summer.  Now that he's only playing PF and still sucks/can't control his shot selection, nobody wants him no matter what you add as sweetener.  Only way I can see him being dealt is if an unprotected 1st round pick is attached.  Personally, I'd rather just pay him and keep the pick and sit his ass as far down the bench as possible.

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TheLastHarbaugh

November 5th, 2014 at 10:53 PM ^

The thing the Stones have going for them is the fact that the NBA's popularity has skyrockted in recent years and so the league is on the verge of landing an insane TV deal which will likely result the salary cap jumping by 10 or so million dollars. That makes Smoove's $12 million a year deal look heaps more palatable.

I would trade him for a wheel of cheese, and consider it a steal at this point, but the stupidity of NBA owners and GMs is limitless.

Literally blind Rudy Gay and his orders of magnitude worse contract was traded twice in two years. If that can happen, Josh Smith can get moved easily.

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TheLastHarbaugh

November 5th, 2014 at 11:18 PM ^

Norfleet's Glutes.

In all seriousness though, is this a real question? As you can see by my join date I've been here awhile. In fact, I predate the board , and have been around basically since MGoBlog started (not that it makes me special, just old).

Quite a few people here (honestly more than I'd like) know who I am in real life.

So...no...shockingly enough, I'm not giving you my real name.

If you're asking about my prior MGoHistory, I was TheLastProphet, then became TheLastHoke, and finally swtiched to TheLastNextCoach. I'll change my name to TheLastHarbaugh or whoever becomes the next coach.

I've decided that's my thing from now on.

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ckersh74

November 5th, 2014 at 10:17 PM ^

Pay Moose, and then send Josh Smith as far away from Detroit as possible. Then hit on a couple draft picks the next couple years, because we need a PG and a wing as well. Kyle Singler and Jerebko aren't going to get it done, and Brandon Jennings is your prototypical "million dollar talent, 10-cent head" type of player. 

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ckersh74

November 5th, 2014 at 10:28 PM ^

Preferably one that shoots better than 22% from 3-point range. 

The key is getting rid of Smith. That's a max contract. At least next year Jennings becomes an expiring contract. 

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not TOM BRADY

November 6th, 2014 at 12:05 AM ^

I'm serious moose is not going to resign here the Pistons need to get something for him. He is a liability on defense against any athletic 4 (which there are a lot of now). He's more of a 5 but not really because he can't block shots. Smiths contract will be hard to move. Fricken Dumars.

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Nick

November 6th, 2014 at 2:21 AM ^

Monroe has a 1 year no trade clause because he signed the qualifying offer.  The pistons had to make the qualifying offer to make him a restricted free agent.  But since he didnt either sign an offer sheet from another team or agree on a long term deal with Detroit, the only avenue left was signing the one year qualifying offer.  This makes him untradable without his consent this year and an unrestricted free agent next year.  

So any team the trades for him cant offer him an extension because the deadline has passed.  So he will reach free agency no matter what.  This means no team is going to give up anything significant for him.  Hes not an elite player, so teams will just wait til the summer to make a run at him.

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TheLastHarbaugh

November 5th, 2014 at 11:19 PM ^

KCP tore it up like he's been doing all off-season. 8-14 for 20 points and 4-7 from deep. Hopefully that knee sprain is behind him and he'll be lights out from now on.

In other news, holy shit, Stan Van Gundy is an amazing coach. Seriously, the Pistons actually look like a well coached team who know what they are doing on offense and defense. They're 1-3, but that's primarily because the shots haven't been falling. They're top 10 in defense, and actually look like a cohesive team who know what is going on. It hasn't been that way in Detroit for YEARS. Long live Stan the man,

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umchicago

November 5th, 2014 at 10:34 PM ^

i wish that guy would swallow his pride and start shooting FTs underhand like rick barry.  i guarantee with a little practice he would hit at least 60% instead of the 35-40% that he usually does.  ridiculous.

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TheLastHarbaugh

November 5th, 2014 at 10:44 PM ^

His form doesn't look bad. It just seems like he lacks any touch  or feel what-so-ever. The thing that gives me hope is that he was an extremely late bloomer who had no idea what he was doing in basketball until his junior year of high school (IIRC, according to a Grantland piece). He appears to be an extremely hard worker who legitimately gives a shit and hates to lose with all of his being. That goes a long way in the NBA.

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MGJS SuperKick Party

November 6th, 2014 at 6:41 AM ^

To be fair to him, his first year was non-existant due to the back injury that kept him sidelined for a significant time. He was also super young for the nba when we drafted him.

Is he ever going to compete for Steve Nash's free throw percentage, nope. But he will be better than Ben Wallace, Shaq and Dwight Howard


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