Funniest Heisman List Yet!
Normally Sports Illustrated isn't too far off the farm but this guy, wow, he, realistically, thinks that Tebow, McCoy and Keenum are NOT in the top 8 in the hunt for the Heisman - riiggghhhtttt....
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/gene_menez/11/23/week-12/…
He's even got a Domer on the list! haha
November 24th, 2009 at 1:50 PM ^
How does Golden Tate being on that list get a "haha" and how is he not a legitimate Heisman candidate? His numbers are sick.
November 24th, 2009 at 1:50 PM ^
For better or for worse guys on 6-5 teams don't win the Heisman, I don't even think they make the trip to NYC (if anybody can find one in the past 20 year or so I'll gladly eat my pie :)
November 24th, 2009 at 1:56 PM ^
If it wasn't for Golden Tate, Notre Dame would probably only have 3, maybe 4 wins. He held that team together when Michael Floyd broke his collarbone.
Edit: In 1987, ND went 8-4 (8-3 regular season) and yet Tim Brown won the Heisman. ND still has a chance to finish 8-5 with wins over Stanford and a bowl opponent. Not a great example but it's close.
November 24th, 2009 at 2:01 PM ^
We'd be 2-10 or 3-9 again - that doesn't mean he should be in the hunt for the Heisman.
Alabama would likely still be, at worst, 9-2, Stanford would probably have a 3 game delta but Houston without Keenum would probably have a 5+ game delta so if you're talking about a player that is the most valuable you have to have him at the top of your list.
November 24th, 2009 at 2:04 PM ^
I am simply stating that Golden Tate should be a legitimate candidate.
Also, Forcier's season is nowhere near Tate's season in terms of production compared to peers at his position.
November 24th, 2009 at 2:13 PM ^
Missouri is 7-4, Danario has over 100 yards more (averages 11 more per game). I left out the two higher than both of those because they play for BGSU and Hawaii. Missouri's QB has completed 40 fewer passes (266 vs 224) well over a 1/3 of which have gone to Alexander (92 receptions).
November 24th, 2009 at 1:57 PM ^
Anthony Thompson, Indiana, 1989. Finished 2nd in Heisman voting and his team was 5-6.
November 24th, 2009 at 1:59 PM ^
Should have said 19 years!
November 24th, 2009 at 2:04 PM ^
Troy Davis, Iowa State, 1996. Iowa State went 2-9. He finished second in the Heisman.
November 24th, 2009 at 2:13 PM ^
I can't find SDSU's record for the 1992 season, but I'm pretty sure they weren't great.
November 24th, 2009 at 2:19 PM ^
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/
I bookmarked that - it's got every score from every DI-A game ever played - at least as far as I can tell.
November 24th, 2009 at 2:17 PM ^
But Troy Davis was also the first RB in history to have over 2,000 rushing yards in 2 seasons - you're not talking about a pretty good year (Golden Tate), you're talking about a record breaking year for a BCS school.
November 24th, 2009 at 2:26 PM ^
But you didn't say that. You just said guys that were invited despite losing seasons.
Also, Faulk's Aztecs went 5-5-1.
November 24th, 2009 at 2:32 PM ^
I should have clarified - guys who were having pretty good seasons (not stellar season) that got invited.
Thompson broke the career record for TDs that season and Marshall Faulk was 3rd in all purpose yardage as well as 2nd in scoring. Those are phenomenal years - Golden Tate is having a pretty damn good year but nothing like either of those guys. FWIW GT is 28th in scoring, 4th in receiving, and not in the top 100 in either Punt Returns or Kickoff Returns. A good season? Sure. A great season? Maybe. A season worthy of even going to NYC? No way.
Let's not even bother with the rest of that guys list - out of his top 8 I'd say 1 (Ingram) maybe 2 (Gerhart) will even finish in the top 5. Basically, his list is a joke which is really what I was trying to point out. It's like he's staring at a depth chart and has half the starters sitting on the bench.
November 24th, 2009 at 2:36 PM ^
golden tate already broke the ND single seasons record for receptions and receiving yards and they still have two games to play, thats not impressive?
November 24th, 2009 at 2:39 PM ^
More impressive than 1987 Heisman winner Tim Brown, wide receiver of Notre Dame? That doesn't mean anything.
/kidding
/except-kind-of-not
November 24th, 2009 at 2:41 PM ^
tim brown is my favorite NFLer of all time...sorry huge raiders fan
November 24th, 2009 at 2:27 PM ^
This is right off the top of my head.
Darren McFadden, 2007 - Arkansas went 8-5.
Not 6-5, but kind of close.
November 24th, 2009 at 1:49 PM ^
He also gets points for including Nebraska's Suh. The guy is an unbelievable monster. I'd actually place him higher.
November 24th, 2009 at 1:52 PM ^
Suh is a beast but I don't know if i'd put him over those two.
November 24th, 2009 at 2:13 PM ^
I haven't watched any Nebraska games, but how is Suh any better than Brandon Graham? I've looked at the stats, and he Suh stacks up as OK compared to BG. Is it only because Nebraska is having a mini-Renaissance and we aren't very good?
November 24th, 2009 at 2:39 PM ^
I think the main difference is that Suh plays an interior D-Line position whereas Graham plays DE. Suh's numbers are more impressive viewed in this light. More impressive than Graham's? Im not sure.
November 24th, 2009 at 1:50 PM ^
Out of those top 8 I wouldn't mind seeing Ingram win it, seeing as how he played for Flint Southwestern Academy and all (yeah son of a Sparty, whatever).
This should help him out. Released today:
November 24th, 2009 at 1:52 PM ^
If by help you mean cause a fluke injury that will submarine his shot of winning the Heisman, then yes.
November 24th, 2009 at 2:05 PM ^
I'm pretty sick of QB's winning. I wouldn't mind Gerhardt at all. If a QB does win, I would like to see McCoy over Tebow.
November 24th, 2009 at 2:09 PM ^
that he has a defensive player in the running not named Charles Woodson dissuades me from reading the rest of his post.
November 24th, 2009 at 2:20 PM ^
This list is no funnier than the award itself, which is a complete joke.
November 24th, 2009 at 2:25 PM ^
Its a good list based on who he thinks are the best players in CF. Obviously Suh has no realistic chance to win but he is clearly one of the most dominant players in the country. Tebow shouldn't be in the top 10 (don't know what your beef is there). Keenum should be in top 8 though.
November 24th, 2009 at 3:14 PM ^
I don't think he *should* be there either but to understand the award you have to understand that Tebow is going to get some votes because CBS and their cronies still have Teboners and will tout him enough to get him some votes. If you had the misfortune of watching the SEC Championship game in 2006 when they put up an "unbiased" report card comparing Michigan and Florida you'd see how strong their lobbying can go (if I recall correctly they gave UF the nod something like 6-1-1 and we all know what happened after that)
November 24th, 2009 at 5:34 PM ^
and blew out Ohio State in the NCG.
November 24th, 2009 at 2:34 PM ^
this is the least exciting heisman race in recent memory...since that white kid won it at oklahoma maybe.
November 24th, 2009 at 3:44 PM ^
Sam Bradford?
November 24th, 2009 at 5:17 PM ^
Jason White.
November 24th, 2009 at 3:48 PM ^
Still say Rolando McClain is the most deserving player this year. Probably Gerhart 2nd and Suh 3rd.
November 24th, 2009 at 4:47 PM ^
If the Space Emperor (of Space) isn't on it, it MUST be a joke.
November 24th, 2009 at 4:56 PM ^
I'd be fine with Ingram winning or even Gerhardt. At some point, just giving the award to the QB on an undefeated team basically makes it the Maxwell/O'Brien award part deux. None of the QBs this year really surprised me, and given how offenses have moved to the spread-and-shred style that can really inflate stats on a good team, I think the committee needs to reevaluate how they judge QBs. It is similar to what happened when teams first debuted the West Coast offense - mediocre QBs put up huge numbers and everyone kind of lost their mind a bit judging them. I would like them to make a diversion to some other position for at least a season.
November 24th, 2009 at 5:05 PM ^
of wish Tebow wins it again just so osu doesn't have the only double winner.
November 24th, 2009 at 5:30 PM ^
what are his chances for the hall of fame?