Danwillhor

December 13th, 2015 at 3:32 AM ^

but the other award doesn't have the name and hype behind it as the Heisman. Yet, I agree with the point that the interpretation of the award mission statement has been false for a very long time. I think the last true winner was very likely Woodson and I was a surprised teenager when I watched it happen as even then I assumed they'd go with Manning because of: QB, career achievement, winning team, good ol' boy, family name and the inability to reward performance in many areas of play. The last player that came close to winning that was truly the best but in an obvious no-win situation was Steve McNair in 1994 (iirc). He finished 3rd playing for Alcorn St. and even that much was a huge accomplishment but Salaam won it over Kijana Carter in a year where both were great college HBs but not better players than McNair. Finish 3rd playing at Alcorn St? Sheeeeeeeeit, he was superman that year. I can only think of a few truly deserving winners off the top of my head in my 30+ years, to be honest.

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MichiganMan14

December 13th, 2015 at 5:54 AM ^

He totaled nearly 1900 yards in 10 games with a bad hamstring and averaged 8 yards a touch. Henry averaged 5.8.

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bacon

December 13th, 2015 at 6:44 AM ^

The Heisman trophy is dumb. You can't have an award for the best player that ignores half of the players who play football. Besides, the winners almost always are NFL busts: Since 1990: Ty Detmer- bust Desmond Howard- not bust (I'll admit I'm biased. Won Super Bowl MVP) Gino Torretta- bust Charlie ward- success in NBA Rashaan Salaam- bust (injury) Eddie George- not bust Danny Wuerffel- *bust* (wasn't much of NFL starter, sucks as analyst) Charles Woodson - G.O.A.T. Rickey Williams - ok player, but bust given hype Ron Dayne - bust Chris Weinke- bust Eric Crouch- bust Carson Palmer- not bust Jason White- bust Matt Leinart- bust Reggie bush (vacated)- bust (had ok career, but nothing special) Troy Smith- bust Tim Tebow- bust Sam Bradford- bust (injuries) Mark Ingram- bust Cam newton - not bust RGIII- probably bust, but hopefully he can turn it around Johnny football- bust so far, probably stays in trainwreck mode Jameis Winston- too early to tell Marcus Mariotta- too early to tell 2015 Bama RB - probably bust (NFL passing league) Not great results. Obviously, the Heisman isn't meant to predict NFL success, but nonetheless they suck at it.

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carolina blue

December 13th, 2015 at 8:04 AM ^

I don't know what your definition of "not bust" is, but mark Ingram is absolutely not a bust. He's doing great things in New Orleans. Your point is good, but the heisman trophy has never been a measure of pro success. It's a one year award. Any single player can be hot in any one year on any given team against any given competition to produce a special season and win it. Then when the competition level increases in the nfl it gets exposed what a special year that player had.



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bacon

December 13th, 2015 at 2:19 PM ^

Reggie bush was the number 2 pick in the draft and has less than 5500 yards in his career. Eddie George had over 10000 yards. He was a very good back at the time, was a critical player for his teams. Desmond Howard was a stud on special teams. He retired tied for 3rd in punt return tds and 6th in yards/return. He was by far the best of his generation in that latter category as all the players on that list are either recent or from decades before Desmond. He wasn't a great receiver, but he still won a super bowl MVP as a return man. Not a bust IMO, but they're all just my opinion.  I could be wrong.  

Regardless, I still think the Heisman sucks at finding the best player in college and while NFL performance is a little different, the fact is that it's one metric that indicates they suck.

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SDCran

December 13th, 2015 at 12:32 PM ^

This proves Biakabatuka deserved it over George, /s since Timmy was an injury caused bust. That year was funny. George had 2 200+ yard non-conference games, one vs ND to get a head start on the hype. In Big10 play, I thought George was only the 3rd best back. Timmy (obviously) and the kid from NW were amazing that season.

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bacon

December 13th, 2015 at 2:22 PM ^

I agree with you for any one year. But they consistently suck at it. So you could say the heisman goes to the best player in college who will suck in the pros.  If Pro success had no correlation with college success, then it would be a red herring, but there's a strong correlation. Therefore I think the Heisman isn't a good indicator of the best player in college.

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CoachBP6

December 13th, 2015 at 7:27 AM ^

This was the first year in a long time where I chose not to watch the presentation. This award is no longer what it used to be. Very rarely does it truly go to the NCAA's best player. I'm convinced that many of the voters just vote for the guy that won the media. This year the media wouldn't shut the fuck up about Leonard Fournette until Bama shut him down, and the media stopped the Fournette talk and went all in on Henry.

Now Henry will go pro, gain 30 LB's, and be out of the league in a few years.



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AmayzNblue

December 13th, 2015 at 7:51 AM ^

This. "Wins the media" is exactly right. ESPN only started talking up McAffrey in the past 3-4 weeks in order to have a somewhat dramatic conclusion to the award giveaway. Bottom line: one player broke a legendary record that hasn't been broken in 30 years, whereas the winner of the award ran behind an all American offensive line against weak defenses. Yep, that's right, I called the SEC weak defenses. Proof came the moment I witnessed auburn defenders bouncing off of Fournette like rag dolls. I'm excited to see how the bowl season fairs for the SEC.



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MarqueeView

December 13th, 2015 at 7:36 AM ^

The Heisman is certainly the classiest of individual sports awards, but let's be honest: No one knows for sure who the best player is. College football is happy to have controversy and a discussion on a night UFC was going to dominate.



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MGoGrendel

December 13th, 2015 at 7:44 AM ^

Maybe they just looked at the body of work instead of the conference game. ESPN ran a story that said two guys didn't get the votes because they weren't in conference games.

You can argue it either way.



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AmayzNblue

December 13th, 2015 at 7:54 AM ^

I have really begun to like Joel Klatt. He is like the Herbstreit of Fox, but he's a little more truthful in these moments. I've been gradually converting to Fox and have enjoyed it this year. ESPN has too much control over perception of sports and this, this heisman award.



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michfn2

December 13th, 2015 at 8:05 AM ^

I imagine most of those votes went to Henry. The only reason ESPN talked up McCaffery was to get people to watch the crapfest of a presentation show that the Heisman has devolved into.



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WorldwideTJRob

December 13th, 2015 at 10:52 AM ^

I thought McCaffrey should've won...but let's not act like Henry didn't have a good year. The guy almost rushed for 2,000 yards in 13 games. He carried that offense on his back for most of the year.



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Wolfman

December 13th, 2015 at 12:13 PM ^

Those that have the honor of voting for the Heisman include a large group of people who don't even bother to turn into w.coast games. He, and I agree, don't think its too much to ask for these voters to at least using the recording option on their televisions to watch at more convenient times. Many use it for nothing more that bragging rights, i.e., "I'm a Heisman voter." If they don't wish to carry out the responsibilities of being a voter there are many more informed that would be happy to take their place for the sole purpose of voting for the best candidate, regardless of what time his team kicks off.  Like most SEC accomplishmets, they seem to want to separte it from the rest of cfb. So he breaks Hershel and Bo's records. Solid accomplishments and a man who definitely had a great season. McCafferty breaks Barry's record, the greatest runner in cfb and pro history. Which is more impressive? If it goes to the best player in cfb, you would have to measure it much like you would Harmon's, who did it all. And he wasn't too far behind Henry from the RB position either.

All one has to do is take a look at ND winner to see how flawed the voting really is. Hornung over Jim Brown? C'mon Man. And that is, perhaps, not the most glaring Catholic loaded voting of all time.

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bamf16

December 13th, 2015 at 12:43 PM ^

In 2003, Jason White won the Heisman over Larry Fitzgerald, Eli Manning, and Chris Perry.

 

Oklahoma got stomped by Kansas State in the Big 12 Championship game and Jason White barely completed 50% of his passes with no TDs and 2 picks, he got pulled in the 2nd half, and his team got stomped 35-7.

 

He still won the Heisman though, largely because of early voting.

 

This problem's existed for years.

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UNCWolverine

December 13th, 2015 at 12:54 PM ^

If Peppers had the same exact season/stats as McCaffrey this entire board would lose their shit that Henry won it behind that offensive line and so many 5-star teammates. I'm surprised so many agree that it was the right decision to give it to yet another "insert name here" RB on a great team as opposed to something unique that we don't see that often.

Too many voters seem to pull the part line lever when it comes to this, but thank god that didn't happen in 1997.

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