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Brian April 10th, 2020 at 1:44 PM

As the basketball roster turns. Columbia grad transfer PG Mike Smith committed earlier today; Ace covered the departures and Jace Howard taking a walk-on year yesterday. Meanwhile a previous edition of UV mentioned that Isaiah Todd had removed various mentions of Michigan from his social media accounts. These items are in conflict: Michigan's created scholarship room they suddenly don't seem to need.

Howard can always pick up a scholarship later, of course, but at some point the thought inside the program was that they had more bodies than spots. Brendan Quinn confirms that neither transfer out was planned:

DeJulius and Castleton are somewhat curious departures. Both were in line to compete for larger roles as juniors. Juwan Howard and his coaching staff were not planning for either departure and were somewhat surprised by the decisions, according to those close to the situation. Both contacted coaches and teammates before their transfer decisions were made public. It wasn’t known internally that Castleton was leaving until late Tuesday night.

DDJ averaged over 20 MPG last year and was going to have a shot at being the starting point guard, but there had to be some talk about a potential departure there for Michigan to go after two Ivy grad transfers. Those processes started weeks ago, particularly since Ivy grad transfers know for a fact they're leaving after the season.

Meanwhile, as the Never Give Up On A Big guy I'm obviously hurt by Castleton's departure. I half expect Castleton to take a redshirt year wherever he goes and then becomes Future Ibi Watson. Watson, who did little other than jump really high at Michigan, was the sixth man on the #4 team in college basketball this year, shooting 62/39 on solid usage. The grim Michigan fan sitting on my right shoulder projects him to have a top ten block rate on a mid-major darling in 2022.

Losing those two guys quickly turns Michigan's 2020-21 roster from a clown car into a reasonably full sedan. Further departures (or failures to arrive) leave open spots. So it's nice that Andrew Kahn tracked down Isaiah Todd's coach for some reassurance on that front:

Byron Williams wouldn't predict exactly when Todd would send his national letter of intent to Ann Arbor, but has no doubt that he will.

"Absolutely," Williams told MLive on Thursday when asked if Todd will end up a Wolverine. "He loves Juwan (Howard)."

Todd's foreign options have always loomed but it seems like those would be off the table now since foreign leagues are just as shut down as the US is. Hard to imagine they'd be able to negotiate deals with one-and-dones right now.

[After THE JUMP: Smith comparables.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2J7RF8DD88&feature=youtu.be

What to expect from Smith. A recent history of guard up-transfers:

  • Jahaad Proctor, Purdue/High Point. Proctor dropped ten points of usage and 5 points of ORTG but did start for Purdue, shooting 45/32 with a low TO rate. Proctor was listed at 6'3", FWIW.
  • Luwane Pipkins, Providence/UMass. Dropped 10 points of usage; actually added 6 points of ORTG. UMass is in the A10 and so might not qualify as an up-transfer depending on how persnickety you're being about the term. Pipkins's final year was a down one for the A10, which finished a a hair in front of the Ivy in Kenpom's rankings, so we'll let it stand. Pipkins shot 41/28 at UMass but had put up 42% on 251 threes as a sophomores so a bounceback was on the cards.
  • Lamarr Kimble, Louisville/St Joe's. Another A10 departure, one who left after Phil Martelli got axed. Dropped seven points of usage and eight points of ORTG; TOs shot up and shooting stayed about the same. Kimble is a bleah shooter, so he was a worse bet to translate.
  • Jaevin Cumberland, Cincinnati/Oakland. A familiar name for Michigan fans. Usage stayed steady; dropped 10 points of ORTG as he reverted to being Just A Shooter. Just 48 two attempts on the year vs 182 threes; three point shooting dropped from 40% to 35%.
  • Max Hazzard, Arizona/UC Irvine. Dropped 7 points of usage and went from Not Just A Shooter to Just A Shooter; hit 38% from deep to maintain ORTG. Also challenged Goldberg for the WWE Championship. (Goldberg sat on him after three seconds of heavy breathing.)

All of these guys had real roles on their new teams; all went from usage in the high-to-giant range to average-or-role-player ranges. All saw their two point production significantly curtailed. Shooters like Cumberland and Hazzard just stopped taking them. Kimble and Proctor kept putting them up at much worse success rates—Kimble also turned it over a lot more. Pipkins is tough to judge because his three point shooting fluctuated so wildly before his transfer.

It looks like shooting is shooting. A guy like Smith should be at least a useful spacing piece—as Ace mentioned he was a 95th percentile player on catch and shoot opportunities and has the FT shooting numbers to go with it.

Whether there's more is the question. Smith had superb assist(30) and TO(14) rates given his usage and team context. Columbia shot under 30% from three on the season; Smith's 34% led the team. His highlights show a guy with a ton of craftiness, but will it be enough to overcome size and athleticism limitations that pop out on Ivy League highlight reels? Hopefully the answer to this question is "unanswered because Josh Christopher."

Howard connections part XVII. Smith's interest in Michigan was piqued by Jimmy Butler:

Although he had his options, there was always something he heard from his good friend Butler that resonated. Butler always spoke of the “Miami Heat way” in their conversations and how the team and organization is run, along with the consistent success of the franchise.

“He always would go on and on about the Heat culture,” says Smith. “So when Michigan and Juwan Howard started talking with me, I couldn’t help but think of how he was part of that organization for so many years.”

Livers takes. Kahn hits up a couple of NBA scouts to get their opinions on Isaiah Livers:

"I'm just not sure who he defends (at the NBA level)," a Pacific Division scout said. "I don't see him getting on the perimeter and guarding a '3' or a '2.' And he's certainly not big enough or strong enough to play some of the more powerful forwards." …

"The way the game is played, if that shot keeps coming like people saw in stretches, he's got a legitimate shot (in the NBA)," said the Midwest scout. "If you have one skill to try to make the NBA, being able to shoot the ball might be the most important skill to have."

They do not project him in the guaranteed contract range; Livers has said that he will return to school unless a guaranteed contract is on the table.

He'll be back. Luka Garza put his name in the draft but expect the peacock to fly in Carver-Hawkeye next season:

Final CSB rankings. The NHL's central scouting bureau has issued their end of season rankings. Michigan commits:

  • #20 Brendan Brisson
  • #29 Thomas Bordeleau
  • #68 Jacob Truscott
  • #77 Ethan Edwards

Bordeleau dropped a few spots; the other guys all moved up around ten spots. Brisson and Bordeleau are both in fringe first round territory; the two D should go in the middle rounds. Edwards is currently scheduled to come in for 2021, FWIW.

Etc.: Hockey forward Jack Olmstead announces a transfer to Miami (Not That Miami). He appeared in two games last year. NHL.com piece on Cam York. Tom Brady's last decision on where to be was a long time ago.

Comments

TK

April 10th, 2020 at 2:24 PM ^

Regarding Livers, it was said about 100 times on here that he was a “prototype 3 and D” player that the NBA craves. I think one person said it and then it became the vogue thing to repeat. I never thought his defense was NBA level. 

Denard In Space

April 10th, 2020 at 6:33 PM ^

I don't agree with this. First off, NBA scouts are constantly wrong. But just taking the feedback at face value, I think what's true is that Livers' foot speed would be too slow for NBA 2 guards. However, I think it's totally realistic that he can stay in front of true wing players; he's gonna get ripped to shreds by guys like Kawhi or Giannis, but show me a rookie that wouldn't be. Put him on NBA starting 3's like TJ Warren, Mikal Bridges, or even higher end guys like Tobias Harris or Marcus Morris, and he realistically could play NBA-level defense. This feedback is also likely influenced by the fact that he had injuries that would directly affect his ability to shuffle and stay in front of people (ankle, groin). Most likely the comments he's getting are based on quick video sessions; I think if he was healthy and had a full NCAA season, it would be a much stronger likelihood that the feedback would be closer late first round / second rounder. 

schreibee

April 10th, 2020 at 9:50 PM ^

Absolutely agree with this evaluation Denard. 

If this groin thing is 100% by whenever they resume playing, Livers could guard the non-superstar level of wings.

And shoot well enough, and go to the rim, and board well enough to get a roster spot -  better than Poole, that's for sure!

But I'm pretty sure that without any combine or pro-day, the lingering draft rating he receives will be of his often injured 2019-20 contributions, and they didn't earn a guaranteed contract. 

And I welcome him back!

schreibee

April 12th, 2020 at 3:55 PM ^

I will LOVE Jordan Poole til the end of my days for that 1 shot.

I struggle to think of another thing he did well enough to earn a blanket statement like that?!

I have the ultimate trust in the Warriors scouting & development staff, but without Steph & Klay's injuries Poole would barely have seen a minute with GS. 

Even with all the injuries a lottery bound Dubs team had, Poole still spent ~70% of the season at Santa Cruz. 

Detroit Dan

April 10th, 2020 at 2:56 PM ^

3 shoes left to drop:

1. Christopher (Monday)

2. Todd (Wednesday)

3. Livers ?

No news is good news re Franz, right?

Mr Miggle

April 11th, 2020 at 8:12 AM ^

Christopher announcing Monday is speculation. It's his father's birthday and people are guessing that's the day he'll pick. It seems logical to me too, but don't be disappointed if he pushes it back.

Todd's uncertain status seems to be based on admissions, not on his intentions. ACT/SAT testing has been shut down. If he does sign on Wednesday, that will be a good sign that he has reason to believe he'll be getting admitted.

Alumnus93

April 10th, 2020 at 3:03 PM ^

Can either DDJ and Castleton come back to the team if they don't get a good offer to play elsewhere?

And, do they both have to sit out a year if they leave?  If so, DDJ leaving is really a headscratcher considering how many minutes he got last year and that now Simpson is gone... 

 

Detroit Dan

April 10th, 2020 at 3:06 PM ^

Somebody had a good post in another thread about how DDJ should get to a program where he can be the top gun if he wants the opportunity to play pro ball.  He wouldn't have as much of an opportunity to score at Michigan, with all the other talent.  

Michigan probably wouldn't have scholarship room to bring back DDJ or Castleton, even if they changed their minds.  Only one vacant scholarship and that is likely to go to Christopher.

vablue

April 10th, 2020 at 3:04 PM ^

The Garza thing is funny.  The fact he is even saying he needs 100% assurance means he has no clue, nobody gets a 100% assurance and if you do they are not being honest.

IndyBlue

April 10th, 2020 at 3:16 PM ^

I just took that to mean that he wants a team to tell him "if you're still available in the 2nd round, we'll pick you and give you a guaranteed contract."  Not that they couldn't go back on their word,  but I believe it is something a team could tell him.  So yeah, it's not 100%, but nothing ever really is.

OkemosBlue

April 10th, 2020 at 5:35 PM ^

Thanks for all the updates, but UM's basketball recruiting strategy does not make much sense unless they expected several transfers out.  But I'm glad that they respect the players and issue mildly supportive statements.  That's called class.  Wishing the transfers well.  

blueday

April 10th, 2020 at 9:53 PM ^

Transfers can be interpreted the wrong way. Kinda hate. What happened to commitment... both ways. Not a good look. 

Jordan2323

April 10th, 2020 at 9:57 PM ^

Something is amiss here. Either the staff expected one or both of the departures, Livers is expected to stay in the draft or Todd's decision is solely based on Livers. If you add DD and CC back to the roster it puts Michigan at 13 and there isnt any room for Cristopher. That's taking Mike Smith back off of the team. Not knowing what either of these were doing does not make sense.

njvictor

April 11th, 2020 at 11:36 AM ^

"I'm just not sure who he defends (at the NBA level)," a Pacific Division scout said. "I don't see him getting on the perimeter and guarding a '3' or a '2.' And he's certainly not big enough or strong enough to play some of the more powerful forwards."

This take from a scout just screams "I've never watched him play, but I'm making this evaluation based on his measurables and stats"

Livers has made it clear he can guard 3s and is strong enough to guard 4s. The guarding 2s part of this evaluation is really what makes me think this guy is just talking out of his ass

njvictor

April 11th, 2020 at 1:41 PM ^

Ok and there are some skinnier centers who can't guard some bigger centers. With the way the NBA is moving, there are very few "more powerful NBA forwards." Take a look at the top power forwards in the league, most of them are Livers size. There's maybe 3-4 who I think he wouldn't be able to keep up with physically