about that lalota redshirt. and i'm also not sure why people equate size with inability to get injured. they have absolutely nothing to do each other. injuries are freak occurences.

You don't think, generally speaking, that a guy with more muscle is less likely to get injured? I ask that as a real question, not a rhetorical one.

Re: Omameh, I'm excited about him. In photos he looks both muscular and lean, like Chris Webber in football pads.

If both players are equally adept at avoiding big hits, a player who's 6' and 220 lbs. is less likely to get hurt than a player who is 6' and 175 lbs. Musculature, bone strength, and flexibility have a lot to do with the prevention of injuries.

This is also my thought. I worry for Forcier's ability to stay healthy. A good thing, though, is that he looks in his senior highlights like a guy who knows when he's down and who doesn't take huge hits.

doesn't make you less injury prone. it just doesn't. i'm by no means saying tate shouldn't be working out to get stronger (and by the way we're still 6 months away from gameday, it's not like he's gonna hit the field at his current size) but his size isn't gonna determine whether or not he gets injured.

...you're right.

If you're saying MUSCLE STRENGTH doesn't prevent injuries, then you couldn't be wronger. In that case, I would advise you to go ask a personal trainer or a strength and conditioning coach or a doctor.

Force = mass*acceleration (Newton's 2nd law of motion)

For example, Terry Tate, Office Linebacker, hits Wendy, hot and juicy redhead, with a force of 1000 N. There are 2 scenarios.

Newton's 3rd law of motion states that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, so for the 1000 N force applied by Terry Tate, there will be a 1000 N force on Wendy.

a) Wendy has a mass of 50 kg. Her acceleration from Terry Tate's hit will be 20 m/s/s.

b) Wendy has a mass of 100 kg. Her acceleration from Terry Tate's hit will be 10 m/s/s.

A more massive player, when hit by a player, will accelerate more slowly. As an example, a quicker acceleration to the torso of a player can cause sprains and dislocations because the body parts to which the acceleration is not applied tend to stay in their expected state of motion.

So maybe this might have something to do with smaller, underdeveloped players getting hurt more. Or it might not.

Close, but not exactly right. You need to use conservation of momentum and make a good deal of assumptions. Then after you determine momentum changes you can calculate the appropriate decelerations using F=MA.

Let's say I weigh 100kg. Terry Tate weights 100kg. I'm standing still, and he hits me at 10m/s. Say the collison is inelastic (a solid wrap up tackle). Total system momentum before is 10m/s * 100kg = 1000 kg * m/s. After the collision, we have a 200kg object that has momentum of 1000, meaning I am now traveling at 1000kg*m/s / 200kg = 5m/s.

If I weigh 50kg then we have 1000kg*m/s / 150kg = 6.66 m/s.

In case A my impulse is 100kg*5m/s = 500kg*m/s
In case B my impulse is 50kg*6.66m/s = 333kg*m/s

Let's assume the impulse acts over a time of 1s.
Therefore, when I weight 100kg, I experience a force of 500N.
If I weight 50kg, I experience a force of 333N.

So what we see here is that when I weigh less I experience less force from being hit. HOWEVA, the acceleration I experience is higher (6.66 m/s^2 vs 5.00 m/s^2). This means I'm more likely the thwack my brain against my skull and suffer a concussion, but less likely to suffer most other injuries.

What about the added muscle around joints and such that a bigger qb might have that would help prevent those joints from being twisted/bent in improper ways preventing injuries? The whole situation is much more complex than bigger=less injury prone. There are pluses and minuses to being bigger and that added weight has to be the right type as well.

(Edit: I know you don't think there is muscle around the joints like I stupidly implied here.)
Ehh, muscle is typically not around joints. Look at your elbow, knee, wrist, etc. A huge thigh muscle might prevent a broken femur, but rather than muscle size, I think you mean stability and strength overall. I'm not a doctor, but I believe that's not exactly correlated with big muscles; people on steroids suffer increased joint injuries from not working stabilizer muscles.

I probably shouldn't have said "less likely to suffer other injuries" as that's not really correct. For some reason I can't edit my post or I would remove that part. I meant you would take less force related injuries, but I forgot about the whole fact that muscle could mitigate some extra force, which makes my blanket statement incorrect. Oops.

Yea, by around I meant near or above/below that would provide the stability you are talking about. I'm sure that is some of the training Barwis(and most football strength coaches probably) implements to help keep players from injuries. Obviously it can't guarantee the players don't get injured but it can help.

It's Physics 140/141, nothing too extraordinary. Actually, since I didn't use any calc, it's more like Physics 126/127? Is that the easy physics?

While I don't know if Tate will be likely to get injured, and certainly avoiding contact is important, how often does a QB have the ability to avoid it? Often they get blindsided while throwing, and cannot take the hit properly because it will take their focus off downfield. I don't buy that muscle and weight is irrelevant to injuries. One of the foundation theories of the benefits of weight training, espoused by Barwis and others, is reduction in injury.

How often does a QB really get hit hard? Bigger, stronger players and QBs are less flexible than the smaller more limber players. A big strong QB can get hit from behind and because he isn't as flexible can get injured due to the twist while the smaller more flexible QB is able to twist slightly more thus have less of a chance to get injured.

As far as a hit to the back of the head, it doesn't matter how big or strong you are, nothing will lessen that hit.

Forcier definately needs to add some weight and strength, but what everyone needs to realize is that he isn't going to get hit hard by the OL and LBs. Sure he may get hit often and that could wear him down, I just don't see him getting hit hard. How often did Pat White really get hit hard? I can't think of any. DL and LBs will make tacklers, but its usually after just fighting off an OL therefore they won't have much power behind their tackles. Add in that Forcier won't be a still target, defenders have to concentrate on the tackle rather than the hit.

So, is Craig Ross a friend of blog or an intermittent friend of blog? He gets downgraded the second time you mention him.

tate.

stays at the Will position. New blood is needed at the safety position...and Michigan definitely has new blood to audition.

Hats off to the basketball team and all that, but I'll be the first to admit it's just not my sport. And I didn't want to jump on the wagon-- just because they wear a block M doesn't give me the instant right to suddenly care.

But things are officially back to Shembechler Hall, and likely much to the chagrin of Mrs. Six Zero, this entry has me back in perpetual UM football mode. This entry essentially summarizes why I come to this place, so thank you Brian.

If my dad knew anything at all about the Internet, this might incline him to say "Great frickin' post."

Or 14,249,300 seconds, depending on how you want look at it.

Recruiting rankings don't matter because Omameh was a 2 star. There, I'm the first to say it. I also just copyrighted it. The next person to say, print, or otherwise replicate said sentiment owes me \$500.

I'm so tired hearing about some kid rating from some obituary rating site,embraced by those as the holy grail. Nothing measure a kid heart or motivation that I've seen by ANY rating system ie...MH20 or BE.

after all the evidence, that rankings are irrelevant or don't matter. We can agree that they are not the "holy grail", but it's factually correct, and not open to opinion any longer, that they matter and thus are legitimate to discuss.

I had no idea they started rating deaths, that's pretty morbid.

Weren't Crable and to some extent Woodley one of these rush LB/DE players?

didn't get much of a chance to carry the ball. He wasn't bad at the HS level, and if he's so big he might be of some use on short-yardage/goal line situations. And how is anyone who's 299 "tiny?"

Looks like someone needs some Barwisizing. Yikes! Hope he's not related to the McGuffies. O-line don't fail me now!

Best miss-use of a word since "unverified voracity!"

soft tissue and joint injuries. size can help with impact injuries i.e. less likely to be thrown down if you weigh more. Strength can help lessen impact as well.

I'm sure strength has a factor in injuries, but randomness, genes and toughness are a little more important. Daunte Culpepper can't stay healthy, but Jeff Garcia keeps surviving. Garcia is hurt every week, but manages to stay out there. Favre and Manning never missed a game and they don't exactly look like roid freaks. I was a big Nebraska fan back in the option days, Crouch looked no bigger than Tate and he was a stud, Frazier was freaky athletic man and he was never healthy. I'd put Tate at 35% to make 12 starts this year. Here's my breakdown.

Strength/Flexibility 15%-Jake Long
Genes- 20% Clay Matthews
Toughness 25% Brett Favre
Michigan Hating Fuck You Randomness 40% Antonio Bass, Corey Zirbel, Matt Guttierez, Chad Henne

Forcier should be OK for a few reasons.

First: if the offense is competent and unpredictable this year, opponents won't have direct angles to hit him as often as they would with a predictable offense.

Second: his mobility and shiftiness should allow him to further avoid direct contact.

Third: This probably matters the least of any of my reasons, but Anthony Carter, Jamie Morris, and BC's Doug Flutie were all small and managed to avoid a lot of injuries.

Being small does not guarantee injuries; I see it as neutral. McGuffie took too many direct hits last year because he wasn't smart enough to avoid them; he thought he was Superman and didn't realize that he wasn't until it was too late.

After the first concussion, he wasn't quick enough to avoid them anymore; after subsequent concussions, he was even less able to avoid them. That is why I wish he would have just taken a medical scholarship and gotten a degree.

Anyway, Forcier should be fine. If he isn't, Robinson could be the real deal and Sheridan could actually improve from last year to this year. I know he looked a lot more like Nicolette Sheridan last year, but he could have improved like most players do between their first and second years of seeing the field. If Sheridan is like he was last year, though, and has to play, UM is in big trouble.

I am hoping Forcier will be fine. I still think the Wolverines are in better shape at QB than OSUcks is with "Pryor and Prayer."

"Being small does not guarantee injuries; I see it as neutral. McGuffie took too many direct hits last year because he wasn't smart enough to avoid them; he thought he was Superman and didn't realize that he wasn't until it was too late."

Dude, go to hell.

First, you are a huge dick for blaming McGuffie's concussions on "thinking he is superman" vs. "getting hit really hard in the head".

Second, one concussion makes you more susceptible to a second. It wasn't because he "was too slow".

Third, classy, with the Nicolette comment. Nice.

Fourth, how many hours did you spend coming up with "OSUcks"? Did you chuckle to yourself when you finally struck gold? You really SHOWED THEM!

Exactly how are we in better shape at QB than OSU? You're delusional, they have a 6'6" freak athlete, with a year of experience under his belt coming back. We have Tate (please, please, please live up to our unrealistic expectations), Denard (a cornerback with a decent arm), and umm ya not even gonna go into further detail about that last option. Best case scenario is that the O-line makes drastic improvements, no injuries, and Tate has a season similar to what Colt McCoy had at Texas his freshman year, which I hate to say it, but is probably still not gonna be as good as Pryor's next year.

** please don't accuse me of being an OSU fan, I promise I'm really not; I'm just trying to be realistic.

I'd say Tater is the leading candidate for "MGoBlog Douche Bag of the Year." Tater is a disgrace to Michigan fans for how he attacks these kids.

Not sure if you're joking or not, but "tater" is some delusional paranoid who posts comments here. He's not talking about Tate Forcier.

Rather shithouse of us to jump down your throat eh?