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Let's Start Again: Shooting Guard Comment Count

Brian July 10th, 2019 at 1:07 PM

Hey, remember this? The last time I posted one of these John Beilein was looking forward to a season with Iggy Brazdeikis and Jordan Poole in addition to defensive aces Zavier Simpson and Jon Teske. Fast forward a few months and Michigan basketball is doing an admirable job of rebuilding society after a nuclear winter.

Your slightly-dated, already-posted positions: point guard and center.

Now for Interchangeable Wing City:

ROSTER

Franz Wagner (Fr.): 10 MPG in a league where a 24-year-old Derrick Walton is a backup. 39% from three with the international line. Moe's brother.

Eli Brooks (Jr.): Looked like transfer bait for much of the season, but finished well. Good defender; seemingly had the yips on offense for much of the season. Needs to become a 35% three-point shooter to be viable.

Cole Bajema (Fr.): Hopefully this is a Caris 2.0 situation. Caris 1.0 was hard to play as a freshman because he was a stick.

Adrien Nunez (So.): Recruited as Just A Shooter; 1/13 from three on the year; judging anyone on nonsense garbage time attempts is stupid; still a bit ominous that Nunez didn't get a look despite some real rough times with Brooks over the past year.

David DeJulius (So.): Point guard on a team with a senior Zavier Simpson so if he's going to get more than 5 MPG it's going to come at the two.

I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS

So Franz is an instant dude, right? And he can play the two? Please tell me he can play the two?  

Probably a dude. Ace detailed why in Wagner's hello post. Franz was a legitimate rotation piece, particularly late in Alba's season…

…as a 17-year-old. At the same stage Moe got 18 minutes with Alba's senior team. Wagner had over 600—that's the equivalent of playing 18 MPG over the course of a college regular season. Between that and some time on loan at a lower level he piled up a ton of experience, much of that at a higher level than most college basketball.

Wagner's #1 skill is going to translate, because it is shooting and Wagner's three pointer is of the instant-release, infinitely-repeatable, established-at-the-FIBA-line variety:

He was a 39% three-point shooter across all competitions and had a FT% near 90%. He is an elite, elite, elite shooter.

[After: but not just a shooter!]

He is also Not Just A Shooter. The highlight film embedded below is most useful for its time spent on Wagner's defense but also has some sections where Wagner posts up smaller guys on the block, catching entry passes over the top and finishing as 6'2" guys try to front him. He's also got long arms that allow him to swoop in and finish layups even when decent defense pushes him out of the range where you'd expect him to be effective.

Wagner projects to be an excellent finisher. Per UMHoops Wagner was 62% at the rim against grown men last year, a couple points better than Brazdeikis over the course of the season and significantly better from two than Iggy in a large sample against quality competition. Brazdeikis shot 46% from two in Big Ten play, and when he put his name in the draft his lack of length and athleticism were knocks that saw him drop to the second round. Wagner measured in with a 6'8" wingspan when he was a 6'5" kid at the 2017 Jordan Brand Classic. Poole was 6'7" and Brazdeikis 6'9" at the most recent NBA combine; Wagner is probably pushing seven-foot-even now.

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As far as Wagner's ability to play the two: also, yeah, probably. Even if he is 6'9". Offensively it's not even a question. Wagner's a sniper and accomplished driver of closeouts who will at least be a freshman Stauskas. While defense is murkier, these days positional designations on defense are close to irrelevant for guys 2 through 4 since they're going to get switched onto each other's guys and often the point guard.

Early indications are that Wagner might actually be a plus defender—a couple of NBA-focused scouting reports mention his D as a positive, and if you skip ahead to 4 minutes here you get a number of plays on which Wagner disrupts plays with his long arms and chases guards around a bunch of screens:

He's built differently than his brother and looks like he'll be able to maintain at least wing quickness even as his height approaches Kevin Durant territory.

Wagner can easily slot in as a small forward if one of the other shooting guard candidates busts out; this space is going to project that Johns and maybe even Castleton are going to get significant minutes at the 4 and that Wagner plays about 20 minutes at the 2 and 10 at the 3.

Ye gods what was this going to look like without Franz?

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It might have been okay! Michigan didn't seem to have any obviously good options but did have four shots at a decent, if likely suboptimal, Big Ten starter. Eli Brooks and David DeJulius were discussed in the point guard post, right after a Hoop Lens screenshot demonstrating that when Simpson was on the bench Michigan's offense died in a hole. Things were better when Brooks played next to Simpson, but the big obvious problem was the big obvious problem:

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A Simpson/Brooks backcourt was probably the country's worst-shooting pair of short guys. If Brooks can hit an average number of threes he's a viable low-usage backup because he's a solid positional defender. Michigan would like to get more out of what's going to be at least 20 non-Franz minutes at the two.

DeJulius and Adrien Nunez are candidates to provide a bit more. They may not be especially strong or likely candidates but both came to Michigan with reputations as dead-eye shooters. They combined to go 2/28 from three on the season, which is [checks notes] Not Good. Almost all of those shots were garbage time late-clock jacks, so whatever.

A little more concerning is the fact that neither guy got much of a test drive despite Brooks's struggles—the chart above would have looked even more alarming halfway through the season. Beilein was notoriously tough on freshman point guards and DeJulius looked decently promising when he got a blip of playing time late in the Big Ten season. Nunez didn't even get that. Coaches are inherently conservative and last year's defense-focused team had cause to keep the pressure up with Brooks. But, uh… this is our concern, dude.

DDJ was an evil Walton-esque off the dribble sniper in high school and you have to believe that's still in there, waiting to bust out. Nunez was recruited by John Freakin' Beilein to be Just A Shooter, you have to believe that's still in there too. Getting there is a lot harder than it seemed a year ago.

And how about the other freshman?

Michigan's last and highest upside backup option is freshman Cole Bajema. He's a lot like Franz Wagner since he's a lanky jumbo sniper with some ability to drive. He's also the platonic opposite of Wagner because he spent his high school career about three feet from the Canadian border playing in Washington's smallest high school classification. Wagner may actually find the going a bit easier in Ann Arbor. Bajema's going to have culture shock, especially because he's skinny as heck.

Or at least he was. Bajema's by no means filled out but the most recent photo evidence of his existence is a lot more plausible than freshman Caris. He's 22:

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Another few months with Sanderson and he'll be fine.

Bajema does bring something to the table that Wagner does not at this point: pick and roll ability. Wagner's assist rate was near zero and he did almost all of his work off the ball. Bajema is described as a 6'7" combo guard:

“He’s great in ball-screen situations, which he’ll have a chance to do in that system. I think he projects as a play-making combo guard,” Brady said. “He’s a fantastic ball-handler in the half-court. He can shoot it on his own, he’s got great vision, and he’s got the length to see over the defense. He can actually capitalize on (his vision), he can make all the passes that he needs to make.”

Forgive the excessive slo-mo here but Bajema does have the ability to start and stop to get himself free from defenders for pull-up threes and drives:

Bajema's probably going to have a rough go to start but if he can emerge midseason as the primary backup at the two Michigan will be in good shape now and going forward.

OUTLOOK

Franz is all the difference in the world as he fills 30-35 minutes in the 2-4 spots that were entirely vacated by early NBA draft entries. And he should be an instant high-level player. I'd be surprised if he wasn't Brazdeikis's equal on offense, maybe starting out slower because he's younger but improving over the course of the season instead of stagnating. He's got a couple inches on Iggy, 3-4 more inches of wingspan, and will be at least his equal as a shooter.

Defensively he's likely to be an upgrade on Poole, quick enough to take advantage of his crazy gumby arms and more professional in his approach. A lot of people say he's headed for the first round of the draft, and you can see why. He's the odds-on favorite to lead Michigan in scoring.

The murkier question is what happens with the other guys. And there will be time Michigan needs to fill. Because the roster sets up with only a few guys able to play the 4—Livers, Johns, and maybe Castleton—without getting bashed on the boards, it's likely that Franz gets sucked up to the 3 for a big chunk of his minutes.

The good news is that someone is likely to emerge into a solid sixth man. The most likely outcome is early playing time for Brooks that people aren't too happy with because Brooks looks a lot like he did last year, and then Cole Bajema getting up to speed and providing size and shooting that outpace his competitors.

Comments

spiff

July 10th, 2019 at 1:25 PM ^

Super excited about Franz! And also agree that at least one of DDJ/Brooks/Nunez will emerge into a reliable if not spectacular role player.

Count me in 'Nunez will be a great shooter' camp. He may have been 1-whatever last year. But that one he hit (against Minnesota I think) looked PURE. He was a couple steps behind the line and didn't hesitate.

That was his true form I think. That seemed to be his least-forced look. The rest were mostly garbage time garbage shots.

If he can at least be a stand on the wing, catch/shoot threat he will be useful as a spacer if nothing else.

In Baugh we trust

July 10th, 2019 at 4:27 PM ^

I agree with your opinion on Nunez, but your reasoning is a bit questionable. The real reason to believe in Nunez was apparent to anyone who came to a game an hour or more before tip off. Nunez would be out on the court, alone, and just shooting 3 after 3. He seemed to make a higher percentage in warmups than anyone in recent memory and his form reminds me a lot of Ray Allen's.

True Blue Grit

July 10th, 2019 at 1:30 PM ^

I'm optimistic that Brooks will be a better shoot this year once he gets more consistent minutes.  I just think there were too many games last year where he hardly saw the floor and it hurt his consistency a lot.  DDJ will probably take a sizable sophomore leap too.  Expecting Wagner to provide much help at the 2 is not realistic.  His ball handling would be a liability in that role.  3 is the spot he should be a fixture at most of the time.  

TrueBlue2003

July 10th, 2019 at 2:13 PM ^

I mentioned this on the UV yesterday but I'm also higher on Brooks as a contributor than most people so I think Brooks is going to start, and probably play more than half the teams minutes.  He's not going to have to press like he did last year when he knew he was basically only going to get one three per game and he's going to be a lot more comfortable, I think.  A bonus would be Bajema or Nunez emerging but either would be a pleasant surprise, and I think 15 min a game as backup is probably the ceiling for either one of those guys.

Remember that not only was a Simpson/Brooks lineup a poor shooting guard combo, they were ALSO playing with Matthews most of those minutes.  So then you probably had the worst shooting 1-3 combo in the country.  We're talking about trading Poole and Matthews for Brooks and Wagner which is about a push from a shooting perspective. There's reason to think you can keep a 35% team 3pt percentage with Brooks and Simpson on the floor without cratering to that ugly 27%.

Brooks is also more of a creator than most guys on the roster.  A lineup with Franz, Livers, Johns and Teske would be SUPER reliant on Simpson creating shots for the rest of them if Franz creates at the (lowish) level that he did in Berlin.  Also, that means there's basically not a backup 3 OR 4 so as soon as you need to sit Johns or Livers, Wagner gets sucked up to the three anyway.

Totally agree that Wagner will start at the three and play the vast majority of his minutes there.  We might as well just directly give him Matthews minutes and call it a day.

AC1997

July 10th, 2019 at 7:25 PM ^

I agree with a lot of what you said.  I don't really think Brooks is going to get much better offensively, but I think there are four factors that will play into him getting 20 minutes and probably starting.  

First, I think Juwan will realize that at least early I'm the season their best way to win games will be with defense and that points to Brooks.  Second is the experience, third is ball handling, and fourth is that I am not sure how ready Johns is going to be to start right away.  

I hope that Johns and Bajema and the other young guys play so well that Brooks struggles to get minutes, but we will see.  As for his shooting....had he made 3 more threes he matches the % that Poole shot last year.  (36%)

TrueBlue2003

July 11th, 2019 at 3:29 PM ^

I don't think he's going to get much better either.  But your point is perfect in your last paragraph.  His shooting percentage wasn't great but it was on a small sample size.  I don't think he's a 29% 3pt shooter and I don't think he was last year.  So I don't think he needs to get better, he just needs to have normal "luck" and a larger sample size and the confidence he showed at the end of the year to hit 35%.  And I think that's around where he'll be.

Mr Miggle

July 10th, 2019 at 2:36 PM ^

I'm not sure how much ball handing the 2 will be asked to do with Simpson at the point. Probably not much. Also not sure that Wagner won't be capable of being a secondary ball handler.

He was given a specific role off the bench on Alba's senior team. He did more on their lower level teams and will be asked to do more at Michigan. He also has plenty of opportunity to develop more skills.

I'd be more concerned with Nunez in that regard. I don't see him as a 2. If he's picked up the defense, he could play a role similar to Franz's for Alba. 

stephenrjking

July 10th, 2019 at 1:36 PM ^

Franz = Iggy is the obvious assumption here. Of course, they are somewhat different players, and the differences will be interesting. Iggy's stats at the rim at Michigan aren't as good as Franz's, but Iggy's confidence in barreling toward the basket and his plus repertoire of finishes made him effective before teams keyed on it and after he learned not to fight triple teams. What I've seen of Franz suggests that he won't be quite as powerful of a driver.

OTOH Iggy was a reliable three-point shooter but needed a fair amount of time and space to get his shots off. When that time wasn't available he was usually good about driving, but his slower release meant that teams could play more compact off of him and still force drives into traffic. Franz's quick release means that he'll either get more quality shots off, or that teams will have to cheat out toward him more, which will be a big help to Simpson as he looks to drive. 

I worry a bit that his rapidly increasing height may cause some challenges as he's not used to what he's physically capable of, but that's just a nit. I think there's a small but real chance that he winds up being an all-B1G player next year and a dominant force. He's got great tools

*small print about something else entirely: DeJulius never really got a chance to develop his offense in game situations, but that's because he was not ready on defense. We recall that he briefly passed Brooks and got the first look at Maryland, but after he completely blew a switch Beilein yanked him and Brooks was never seriously challenged again. If DeJulius can develop defensively this year I think he'll be a huge contributor. 

TrueBlue2003

July 10th, 2019 at 2:27 PM ^

This is a good point about defense.  DeJulius played team defense like a freshman and it's what kept him off the floor.  It should be a lot better this year. 

But at his height, it'll be tough to defend the 2 even if he's in the right spots. Hard to play two guys under 6 feet tall.  I think he's primarily backing up Z and waiting to fully take over next year.

Gulogulo37

July 10th, 2019 at 8:54 PM ^

Could do just as well with Nunez or DDJ as long as one steps up. I do agree though that Wagner at the 3 seems ideal for him and this team even if he's fine at the 2. Simpson, someone solid at the 2, Wagner, Livers, Teske sounds like a great starting lineup. If that's Brooks this team will be elite on defense again.

Zeke21

July 10th, 2019 at 3:10 PM ^

If Franz is as good as iggy, I will be pleasantly surprised.  Iggy was old freshman, Franz is young. But should be a very interesting team.  Now just need One bomb to start Juwan's first real recruiting class, then the roll will be on.

Go Blue.

Gulogulo37

July 10th, 2019 at 8:58 PM ^

"Brazdeikis will start at the rookie minimum of $900,000 in 2019-20, and his salary will rise to $1.5 million in the second year. That makes the guaranteed portion two years for $2.4 million. "

As if he's a desperate traveling vacuum salesman. 

yossarians tree

July 11th, 2019 at 1:23 PM ^

It will be pleasant, but I won't be surprised. While Iggy provided scoring and driving ability and was an asset to the team in those ways, he was also a black hole who was non-existent as a passer and therefore a bit of a choke on the flow of the offense. A guy like Wagner opens space on the floor for everyone else and creates movement for the offense.

Forgive the unforgivable reference, but if you had to play Frankenstein and create the perfect complementary monster for X and Teske, it would be a guy like Franz. Consider it Beilein's parting gift since he started the Wagner ball rolling many years ago.

outsidethebox

July 10th, 2019 at 3:25 PM ^

I am confident that the good news, all the way around here, is that the "where there is challenge there is opportunity" saying is going to rule the day with a Juwan Howard led coaching staff. Juwan appears to have a keen sense of the importance of incorporating individual strengths into the larger team concepts of playing this game. More so than in recent years, this roster is not only going to be allowed but encouraged to play the game to their individual strengths-within the team concept. And this is why Franz will have a leg up on this roster-having played with more mature players. The way this kid moves to strategically put himself into position to get his shot and stretch the defense and then also to take advantage of situations as they present are what makes him attractive to me. I predict that Franz's abilities in this regard are going to find great favor with Juwan. 

Otherwise, I believe the pieces are on this roster to give this team a shot at being quite successful. I remain intrigued with the process it will take for this new coaching staff to put the puzzle together. 

outsidethebox

July 10th, 2019 at 4:01 PM ^

I don't have anything to pass you. Somebody besides Livers is going to have to score the basketball. Teams may decide to station three people around the basket and have the other two deny  Livers the ball-in which case...I would go with Franz to be the scoring leader :) 

ST3

July 10th, 2019 at 4:43 PM ^

     Teske is the leading returning scorer on the team. He averaged 9.5 PPG. He also shot 36.4% from 3 in conference play (I seem to recall him starting off slow from 3, dragging his season percentage down to 29%.) If he can maintain that 36% and develop a low post game, I can see him improving to the 12-14 PPG range. Livers should also be in that range. If Franz can exceed that, great. I suspect we'll see a similar situation as last year where 6 guys averaged between 7.9 and 14.8 PPG.

 

Alumnus93

July 10th, 2019 at 3:58 PM ^

Brooks is a lot better than people here think.... if Simpson weren't on the team, it'd be far more evident.  There were some spots when Brooks was the best player on the court, albeit only a few times.  Plus, the jerry curl is a bonus.... 

I digress...

Brian mentions that Wagner is the odds-on favorite to lead team in scoring... I figure it will be Teske. I do think Howard's offense will be feeding Teske a ton down low.

 

CRISPed in the DIAG

July 10th, 2019 at 5:21 PM ^

There is an article in the Detroit News re Nunez. It's one of those "Nunez has a New Atttitude" sort of pieces, but my takeaway was that he had trouble getting on the court as a result of JB's relatively complex offensive system. Maybe another year of experience and a simpler system gives us another 39+% shooter.

Alumnus93

July 10th, 2019 at 7:04 PM ^

I just read it. But it didn't come across to me as new attitude thing...that new attitude thing was reminiscent of the Lions each pre season.  Even recall WR Pete Mandley making t shirts that said that exact thing.   Nunez didn't come across as whining or bitching.  

TheBlueAbides

July 10th, 2019 at 6:16 PM ^

Hope Livers breaks out. I think he has the tools, and maybe he will fit a little better in Coach Howard’s to be determined system? He seems like a great kid. Also that’s a double dribble on Bajema @ 1:25

Blue Middle

July 10th, 2019 at 6:23 PM ^

I think Franz will be an upgrade over our 2/3 options last year.  The other spot?  Big question mark.

This article, to me, hits the right note: Franz is a replacement for Iggy.  Maybe better.  In terms of our starting line-up, we need to replace Poole--and I believe one of the options will adequately replace his production--and Matthews.  I'm afraid we only have the bullets to replace one of those guys.  So, in terms of talent/impact (not position equivalence)...

  • Sr Z > Jr Z
  • Sr Teske > Jr Teske
  • Franz = Iggy
  • Brooks/DDJ/Nunez/Bajema ~ Poole
  • Livers/Castleton/Johns << Matthews

I hope I'm wrong and that those 4s can be as impactful as Matthews was, but that seems like a tough ask.  Depth should be better and, if one of the above options really pops, we could have another Sweet 16 team.  But it feels just as likely that we are a bubble Tournament team.

Benthom11

July 11th, 2019 at 2:13 PM ^

I would say Livers/Johns/Castleton will be better than Matthews.  Matthews was basically a negative on offense.  He is a ball stopper who ruins the flow of the offense. He shot 2.9 3s per game despite a horrible .299 percentage.  He didn't make a GR3 impact with his athleticism, and his only real offensive threat is a super inefficient mid-range iso game. 

 

Matthews was a very good defender but not good on offense.  Livers is also a very good defender, but he is an elite shooter and plays within the flow of the offense.  For an example of Matthews inefficiency, he took 4.7 more shots per game than Livers last year and translated that into 4.3 more points per game.

 

I am much more skeptical that Brooks/DDJ/Nunez/Bajema will be anywhere near Poole, despite Poole's struggles. 

GoBlueChief

July 10th, 2019 at 9:22 PM ^

X and DDJ on the court at same time will not mesh well either, they both need the ball in their hands.  Brooks compliments X much better and has taken his shooting to another level this summer.   

Michighen

July 11th, 2019 at 7:07 AM ^

Nice to see another basketball post from Brian.  Thank you John B. for making Michigan basketball relevant again!. Excited for the upcoming season.