Why don't people give Tate his props?
I mean seriously look at his video. He outruns defensive backs and takes it to the house. He looks pretty fast. Not an absolute burner but more than fast enough. He's got good burst and good vision. He runs a 4.55 according to Rivals.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=89569&draftyear…
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=55584
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCENpiGgsN8
Give props when due! Dude is fast! Period. Tate is the future of Michigan. His arm is just too good.
March 31st, 2009 at 10:03 PM ^
Definitely wouldn't of.
March 31st, 2009 at 10:50 PM ^
not even close...
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY runs a 4.3. There are like 3 people ever that have broken that.
That's actually not true, but it is incredibly rare for college kids to run that fast.
I can name many that have. Randy Moss, Chris Johnson, Reggie Bush, Joey Galloway, Mike Bennett, Dennis Northcut is hella fast. I dont know about 4.3 but maybe. Mike Vick I think. Deanglo Hall. Those are just off the top of my head. But certainly more then 3.
I'll let you google it, but of those people, Moss and Johnson are the only that have.
Are you kidding with they are the only two? I guess Denard does. But for real. Reggie Bush did it OFFICIAL. Youtube it. So your point is already shitty. There have been way more then two people to do it. Mike Bennett has a tattoo on his leg of running a 4.16 or something. It wasn't official but im sure in his young days he could run a 4.3. LT runs an 4.3. So does Darren McFadden.
Do you notice a common thread amongst all these people?
I do.
They're all NFL running backs, cornerbacks, and wide receivers who trained in major college programs for 3 or 4 years before running their forty times. They're not high school kids.
The majority of high school forty times are fake. Get over it. You lose.
not even remotely true
I don't get what everyone is arguing about...Tate is just too small and will get injured.
Sorry to break it to ya but Denard is smaller than Tate.
I was being sarcastic and playing off an earlier conversation about how small Tate is. I really could care less how fast/slow/big/small Tate or Denard are as long as they score TDs and Michigan wins...
I agree with Magnus (and most of the board) that forty times are cooked. So is height, especially in QB's.
The only time that can be trusted is Robinson's legit track time last week. For those who don't remember, it was 10.44, apparently in or against a "strong wind," in the hundred meters. Obviously, track times don't translate to football speed, but neither do forty times.
Tate's speed will be an interesting component. Will he lose that step of advantage he had on San Diego HS defenders? Will he look like Troy Smith trying to run away from Florida LB's and DE's and finding out that they were faster than he was?
My guess is that he will be fast enough to be "shifty" and barely elude opponents long enough to get rid of the ball, and will be able to run just fast enough to keep the defenses honest. He will obviously be better than Threet and Sheridan were last year.
Comparing his speed to Robinson's, though, is a bit of a joke. Forcier should be able to elude LB's and DE's; Robinson should be able to outrun most CB's. There is a big difference there.
Before Feagin came in, I had heard that his forty times were definitely fudged. I didn't want to believe it, but its' not like he was the fastest player on the team last year. His injuries last year were usually cited as the reason he wasn't as fast as advertised. I wonder if that is truly the case?
I don't think we will have that problem with Robinson.
He is tall and I watched him complete some passes during spring training. Plus think of all his experience from watching.
Give props when due! Dude is sweet! Period. Coner is the future of Michigan. His arm is just too good.
Here's my issue with the original post: it assumes that you can project players based on their high school statistics. The argument is that Tate's speed + passing skills + high school completion percentage = the "future" of Michigan.
Plenty of extremely high-profile recruits have flopped, notwithstanding their superior high school film. Of course, Tate may live up to the expectations, but it's certainly not a foregone conclusion.
Tate is going to be good. I don't get why people won't admit this. Stop being such downers all the time.
I don't think people are being downers all the time but I think Tate is being giving unheralded praise. We need to wait and see him play in game situations which is totally different from practice.
Last I checked, Chad Henne looked pretty good as frosh. I see him willing the team to win at least eight games with the athleticism he has.
much more highly touted than Tate coming out of HS. Also, in case you weren't aware, Henne's success as a freshman was the exception to the freshman QB rule.
I feel like there must be a full moon or something. Is there a full moon? The lack of intelligence on this board lately has been frustrating.
There must be some sort of infiltration of this board via Mlive. A lot of the stuff being posted by the newer posters seems to have the same ideas as Mlive posting (which are mostly retarded ramblings)
i wasn't aware it was retarded to expect big things out of talented young players. i guess i'll stop doing it
Tate Forcier (or ANY freshman) to light the world on fire in their first year of college. It's not unreasonable to expect big things out of talented young players, but it IS unreasonable to expect it out of them immediately.
You can't throw out an exception like "Chad Henne was good as a freshman so Forcier will be, too" and not expect people to think you're an idiot.
Oh, well, Michael Jordan got cut from his basketball team in high school, so I'll be an NBA Hall of Famer, too.
Oh, well, Kurt Warner played Division XII football and worked in a grocery store, so Cousin Billy will be an NFL MVP, too.
I am not saying Forcier will be bad. I really don't know. But if you were a betting man and you wagered on having successful freshman QB's consistently...you'd be living on the streets of Detroit playing an out-of-tune guitar and begging for people's leftover Pizzapapalis pizza.
i wasn't aware it was retarded to expect big things out of talented young players. i guess i'll stop doing it
March 31st, 2009 at 10:07 PM ^
More people visiting = more manifestos on the alleged lack of praise about Robert Forcier's foot speed in high school.
The most recent full moon was on March 11.
Chad Henne was the exception, not the rule. Most true freshman quarterbacks struggle mightily -- even the highly touted ones. What about Mallet? Clausen? And Chad Henne was throwing to Braylon Edwards and Steve Breaston. Chad Henne had an excellent offensive line. Chad Henne... well, you get the idea.
Are you actually comparing Chad Henne to Tate Forcier based on Tate's highlight film and a few spring practices?
I don't think Henne was getting a ton of props before he started because Gutierrez was going to start until he got injured the week before kick off.
March 31st, 2009 at 10:19 PM ^
Most people didn't know Henne was going to start until he trotted out onto the field. Also, Henne didn't enroll early and participate in spring ball.
McFarlin rears his ugly head again...
Why is every other thread on Tate not getting respect or Denard Robinson's speed? Is there really nothing else to talk about?
March 31st, 2009 at 11:02 PM ^
We should introduce McFarlin to the guy who projected Tate to throw for over 3,000 yards, over 30 touchdown passes, fewer than 10 INTs, and rush for another 10 TDs this year.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:07 PM ^
We are happy to have your son at Michigan but please stop posting on this board.
You know, McFarlin does say hella frequently, which is a commonly used word in California. I now have no doubt that the Forciers are behind this.
As a SoCal resident, hella is a NorCal word, no one down here says that. I've literally heard McFarlin use it more than I've heard it out here in the few years I've lived here. Since the Forcier's are farther south than me, I doubt it.
I think he's just a poser.
I must say that I find it quite comical how we have already taken our sides on who will be the starting qb this year. D Rob is not out of high school yet and some have made up their mind that he is the man while others have decided that another true Frosh who is there now but only a select few have seen is the man. I am chomping at the bit to get to Sept.5 so that I can sit in my seat at the big house and cheer for whoever gets the job, but at this point there is no telling who will get the spot and there is furthermore no sense in haivng the pointless arguements over who will get it. RR if you read this I would love to hear yuour input on this matter but other than that it is all nothing more than a guess (educated one or not it is just a guess from 99% of us).
My purpose in these discussions isn't to anoint a starter.
My purpose is to try to negate the idiocy that is creeping in.
I agree. I'm going to yell really loud for both of them when their names are announced. I hope Rich Rod does the same thing he did last year by not saying who would start before the game, and just let us figure it out when they take the field.
you're the Skeletor to WLA's He-man.
i read the first few posts of the thread. i thought the dude was being sarcastic but i guess not....McFarlin - what a dumbass!